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Re: Boy Scouts reconsidering stance on gay members
« Reply #45 on: January 29, 2013, 09:20:33 PM »
Since when is "sexual orientation" comparable to a religion?

For some people it seems they are identical, since this is the only thing their religion seems to care about. But never mind that...

The argument is, "If an organization allows someone who is x to be a member, then hosting that organization means endorsing x." You either take that logic to its ultimate, silly conclusion or you shouldn't employ it at all.
To answer the original question, when it has an agenda.

And the gays in this case certainly have an agenda.

Now, if you let an openly gay scout in, you're going to either a) have to him sleep in the same tent as the other boy(s) or b) have him sleep by himself.  b somewhat contradicts the whole point of scouting. a raising the question of why they couldn't have a girl sleep in the same tent (they've already had the battle of girls being let into Boy Scouts.

Do I have to explain to the silly why a Church would have a problem with that?
The Church has a problem with a gay person sleeping in the same tent as a straight person?
Only when the straight boy is sexually attracted to gay boys.
So it is fine if the straight boy is sexually attracted to straight girls?
As long as you don't allow the straight boy and the straight girl to sleep in the same tent.
If we let the gay boy sleep in the same tent with the straight boy (let alone with another gay boy), why not?
What about mutual attraction do you not understand? Boys and girls are made to be mutually attracted to each other for the propagation of our race. Two gay boys or two lesbian girls may likely become mutually attracted to each other. But a gay boy and a straight boy? If the gay boy becomes attracted to the straight boy, a quick punch in the nuts from the straight boy will put an end to that right quick!
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Re: Boy Scouts reconsidering stance on gay members
« Reply #46 on: January 29, 2013, 09:41:35 PM »
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If the gay boy becomes attracted to the straight boy, a quick punch in the nuts from the straight boy will put an end to that right quick!

... if the straight boy has enough gumption to do it, sure. And he should!

Sadly, that's not always the case, especially if the straight boy is younger, smaller, or susceptible to bullying and coercion.
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Re: Boy Scouts reconsidering stance on gay members
« Reply #47 on: January 29, 2013, 09:45:00 PM »
If they allow gay boys to be in Boy Scouts (which is already gay anyway), and other boys know they have one in their group, I think we all know what's going to happen.
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Re: Boy Scouts reconsidering stance on gay members
« Reply #48 on: January 29, 2013, 09:47:24 PM »
Since when is "sexual orientation" comparable to a religion?

For some people it seems they are identical, since this is the only thing their religion seems to care about. But never mind that...

The argument is, "If an organization allows someone who is x to be a member, then hosting that organization means endorsing x." You either take that logic to its ultimate, silly conclusion or you shouldn't employ it at all.
To answer the original question, when it has an agenda.

And the gays in this case certainly have an agenda.

Now, if you let an openly gay scout in, you're going to either a) have to him sleep in the same tent as the other boy(s) or b) have him sleep by himself.  b somewhat contradicts the whole point of scouting. a raising the question of why they couldn't have a girl sleep in the same tent (they've already had the battle of girls being let into Boy Scouts.

Do I have to explain to the silly why a Church would have a problem with that?
The Church has a problem with a gay person sleeping in the same tent as a straight person?
Only when the straight boy is sexually attracted to gay boys.
So it is fine if the straight boy is sexually attracted to straight girls?
As long as you don't allow the straight boy and the straight girl to sleep in the same tent.
If we let the gay boy sleep in the same tent with the straight boy (let alone with another gay boy), why not?
What about mutual attraction do you not understand? Boys and girls are made to be mutually attracted to each other for the propagation of our race. Two gay boys or two lesbian girls may likely become mutually attracted to each other. But a gay boy and a straight boy? If the gay boy becomes attracted to the straight boy, a quick punch in the nuts from the straight boy will put an end to that right quick!

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Re: Boy Scouts reconsidering stance on gay members
« Reply #49 on: January 29, 2013, 09:50:42 PM »
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If the gay boy becomes attracted to the straight boy, a quick punch in the nuts from the straight boy will put an end to that right quick!

... if the straight boy has enough gumption to do it, sure. And he should!

Sadly, that's not always the case, especially if the straight boy is younger, smaller, or susceptible to bullying and coercion.
This is naive.

I still think this is relevant, but when I was a kid and we knew another boy was gay, yeah they were pretty much bullied nonstop.
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Re: Boy Scouts reconsidering stance on gay members
« Reply #50 on: January 29, 2013, 09:51:57 PM »
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If the gay boy becomes attracted to the straight boy, a quick punch in the nuts from the straight boy will put an end to that right quick!

... if the straight boy has enough gumption to do it, sure. And he should!

Sadly, that's not always the case, especially if the straight boy is younger, smaller, or susceptible to bullying and coercion.
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Re: Boy Scouts reconsidering stance on gay members
« Reply #51 on: January 29, 2013, 10:12:03 PM »
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If the gay boy becomes attracted to the straight boy, a quick punch in the nuts from the straight boy will put an end to that right quick!

... if the straight boy has enough gumption to do it, sure. And he should!

Sadly, that's not always the case, especially if the straight boy is younger, smaller, or susceptible to bullying and coercion.
But then, in the context of our discussion over whether a gay boy should be allowed to sleep in the same tent as a straight boy, the bigger, stronger boy could be the straight boy, or there could be an equal size difference between two straight boys. Are we then going to not allow two straight boys of greatly unequal size to sleep in the same tent?
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Re: Boy Scouts reconsidering stance on gay members
« Reply #52 on: January 29, 2013, 10:38:24 PM »
I don't see how supporting BSA means promoting homosexuality. The only potential issue I see is having a gay boy sleep in the same room/tent and/or use the same shower facilities at the same time as other boys, in which case, there could potentially be problems. That's why the boys and girls are divided. What could we do for homosexual members? Why not put homosexual boys into the girl scouts and homosexual girls into the boy scouts? Then again, the girls might feel uncomfortable having a boy--even if he is gay--constantly around them. And the lesbian girl could be raped by the boys.
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Re: Boy Scouts reconsidering stance on gay members
« Reply #53 on: January 29, 2013, 10:40:23 PM »
I don't see how supporting BSA means promoting homosexuality. The only potential issue I see is having a gay boy sleep in the same room/tent and/or use the same shower facilities at the same time as other boys, in which case, there could potentially be problems. That's why the boys and girls are divided. What could we do for homosexual members? Why not put homosexual boys into the girl scouts and homosexual girls into the boy scouts? Then again, the girls might feel uncomfortable having a boy--even if he is gay--constantly around them. And the lesbian girl could be raped by the boys.

Gay boy scouts have been sleeping in the same tents as straight boy scouts since the start of the scouting movement.

I personally know two gay Eagle Scouts.
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Re: Boy Scouts reconsidering stance on gay members
« Reply #54 on: January 29, 2013, 10:46:30 PM »
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If the gay boy becomes attracted to the straight boy, a quick punch in the nuts from the straight boy will put an end to that right quick!

... if the straight boy has enough gumption to do it, sure. And he should!

Sadly, that's not always the case, especially if the straight boy is younger, smaller, or susceptible to bullying and coercion.
This is naive.
I still think this is relevant, but when I was a kid and we knew another boy was gay, yeah they were pretty much bullied nonstop.

Gays can be bullies just as much as straights. I'm not naive, I speak from experience which is much longer than yours.  ;)
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Re: Boy Scouts reconsidering stance on gay members
« Reply #55 on: January 29, 2013, 10:56:40 PM »
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If the gay boy becomes attracted to the straight boy, a quick punch in the nuts from the straight boy will put an end to that right quick!

... if the straight boy has enough gumption to do it, sure. And he should!

Sadly, that's not always the case, especially if the straight boy is younger, smaller, or susceptible to bullying and coercion.
This is naive.
I still think this is relevant, but when I was a kid and we knew another boy was gay, yeah they were pretty much bullied nonstop.

Gays can be bullies just as much as straights. I'm not naive, I speak from experience which is much longer than yours.  ;)
I've never met a single gay bully in my life. Are they the new boogeymen?
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Re: Boy Scouts reconsidering stance on gay members
« Reply #56 on: January 29, 2013, 10:59:32 PM »
I've never really met a gay bully in the conventional sense. That being said, I have met gay people who were mean in a passive-aggressive sense, ie, putting off the attitude that they believe they are better or cooler than you. But I wouldn't necessarily classify them as bullies, but rather as arse holes.
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Re: Boy Scouts reconsidering stance on gay members
« Reply #57 on: January 29, 2013, 11:00:44 PM »
I've never really met a gay bully in the conventional sense. That being said, I have met gay people who were mean in a passive-aggressive sense, ie, putting off the attitude that they believe they are better or cooler than you. But I wouldn't necessarily classify them as bullies, but rather as arse holes.
Well the shoe does fit since they want to act like *****es, are you surprised?
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Re: Boy Scouts reconsidering stance on gay members
« Reply #58 on: January 29, 2013, 11:04:58 PM »
I've never really met a gay bully in the conventional sense. That being said, I have met gay people who were mean in a passive-aggressive sense, ie, putting off the attitude that they believe they are better or cooler than you. But I wouldn't necessarily classify them as bullies, but rather as arse holes.
Well the shoe does fit since they want to act like *****es, are you surprised?

Not at all. America is very xenophobic of homosexuals. Acting like a jerk doesn't necessarily equal being a bully. Bullies go out to cause harm and harass students. Jerks just have a bad attitude.

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Re: Boy Scouts reconsidering stance on gay members
« Reply #59 on: January 29, 2013, 11:06:19 PM »
I've never really met a gay bully in the conventional sense. That being said, I have met gay people who were mean in a passive-aggressive sense, ie, putting off the attitude that they believe they are better or cooler than you. But I wouldn't necessarily classify them as bullies, but rather as arse holes.
Well the shoe does fit since they want to act like *****es, are you surprised?

Not at all. America is very xenophobic of homosexuals. Acting like an @'hole doesn't necessarily equal being a bully. Bullies go out to cause harm and harass students. @'holes just have a bad attitude.
LOL no I was commenting on their attitude being that of the female counterpart who is a *****.

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Re: Boy Scouts reconsidering stance on gay members
« Reply #60 on: January 29, 2013, 11:07:02 PM »
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If the gay boy becomes attracted to the straight boy, a quick punch in the nuts from the straight boy will put an end to that right quick!

... if the straight boy has enough gumption to do it, sure. And he should!

Sadly, that's not always the case, especially if the straight boy is younger, smaller, or susceptible to bullying and coercion.
This is naive.
I still think this is relevant, but when I was a kid and we knew another boy was gay, yeah they were pretty much bullied nonstop.

Gays can be bullies just as much as straights. I'm not naive, I speak from experience which is much longer than yours.  ;)
I've never met a single gay bully in my life. Are they the new boogeymen?

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Re: Boy Scouts reconsidering stance on gay members
« Reply #61 on: January 29, 2013, 11:08:05 PM »
I've never really met a gay bully in the conventional sense. That being said, I have met gay people who were mean in a passive-aggressive sense, ie, putting off the attitude that they believe they are better or cooler than you. But I wouldn't necessarily classify them as bullies, but rather as arse holes.
Well the shoe does fit since they want to act like *****es, are you surprised?

Not at all. America is very xenophobic of homosexuals. Acting like an @'hole doesn't necessarily equal being a bully. Bullies go out to cause harm and harass students. @'holes just have a bad attitude.
LOL no I was commenting on their attitude being that of the female counterpart who is a *****.

You feel me?

Ahhh yes, I get you. They have a [derogatory term referencing a female dog]y attitude. They'd be perfect for the girl scouts :P
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Re: Boy Scouts reconsidering stance on gay members
« Reply #62 on: January 29, 2013, 11:16:47 PM »
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If the gay boy becomes attracted to the straight boy, a quick punch in the nuts from the straight boy will put an end to that right quick!

... if the straight boy has enough gumption to do it, sure. And he should!

Sadly, that's not always the case, especially if the straight boy is younger, smaller, or susceptible to bullying and coercion.

Wow.

Wow.

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Re: Boy Scouts reconsidering stance on gay members
« Reply #63 on: January 29, 2013, 11:19:30 PM »
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If the gay boy becomes attracted to the straight boy, a quick punch in the nuts from the straight boy will put an end to that right quick!

... if the straight boy has enough gumption to do it, sure. And he should!

Sadly, that's not always the case, especially if the straight boy is younger, smaller, or susceptible to bullying and coercion.
you aren't being serious, are you?

I wondered if he was.

I can tell you that my response to PtA's post,

If the gay boy becomes attracted to the straight boy, a quick punch in the nuts from the straight boy will put an end to that right quick!

They should make a rule that gay boys can join as long as they don't wear a cup or know self-defense.

was meant as sarcasm (surprise surprise).
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Re: Boy Scouts reconsidering stance on gay members
« Reply #65 on: January 29, 2013, 11:22:13 PM »
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If the gay boy becomes attracted to the straight boy, a quick punch in the nuts from the straight boy will put an end to that right quick!

... if the straight boy has enough gumption to do it, sure. And he should!

Sadly, that's not always the case, especially if the straight boy is younger, smaller, or susceptible to bullying and coercion.
you aren't being serious, are you?

I wondered if he was.

I can tell you that my response to PtA's post,

If the gay boy becomes attracted to the straight boy, a quick punch in the nuts from the straight boy will put an end to that right quick!

They should make a rule that gay boys can join as long as they don't wear a cup or know self-defense.

was meant as sarcasm (surprise surprise).

This seems clear.
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Re: Boy Scouts reconsidering stance on gay members
« Reply #66 on: January 29, 2013, 11:23:41 PM »
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If the gay boy becomes attracted to the straight boy, a quick punch in the nuts from the straight boy will put an end to that right quick!

... if the straight boy has enough gumption to do it, sure. And he should!

Sadly, that's not always the case, especially if the straight boy is younger, smaller, or susceptible to bullying and coercion.
This is naive.
I still think this is relevant, but when I was a kid and we knew another boy was gay, yeah they were pretty much bullied nonstop.

Gays can be bullies just as much as straights. I'm not naive, I speak from experience which is much longer than yours.  ;)
I've never met a single gay bully in my life. Are they the new boogeymen?

My dear A, you forget I'm MUCH older than you.  :-*

And yet, those a quarter of your age seem to exercise more keen judgement when it comes to dealing with groups who have been for the most part on the short end of stick when it comes violence.
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Re: Boy Scouts reconsidering stance on gay members
« Reply #67 on: January 29, 2013, 11:25:57 PM »
I don't see how supporting BSA means promoting homosexuality. The only potential issue I see is having a gay boy sleep in the same room/tent and/or use the same shower facilities at the same time as other boys, in which case, there could potentially be problems. That's why the boys and girls are divided. What could we do for homosexual members? Why not put homosexual boys into the girl scouts and homosexual girls into the boy scouts? Then again, the girls might feel uncomfortable having a boy--even if he is gay--constantly around them. And the lesbian girl could be raped by the boys.

Gay boy scouts have been sleeping in the same tents as straight boy scouts since the start of the scouting movement.

I personally know two gay Eagle Scouts.

This all plays into this homophobic trope which is not dissimilar to one which colors the view of black men in this country, the superior and dangerously uncontrollable libido of the gay male.
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« Reply #68 on: January 29, 2013, 11:26:41 PM »
I've never really met a gay bully in the conventional sense. That being said, I have met gay people who were mean in a passive-aggressive sense, ie, putting off the attitude that they believe they are better or cooler than you. But I wouldn't necessarily classify them as bullies, but rather as arse holes.
Well the shoe does fit since they want to act like *****es, are you surprised?

Not at all. America is very xenophobic of homosexuals. Acting like an @'hole doesn't necessarily equal being a bully. Bullies go out to cause harm and harass students. @'holes just have a bad attitude.
LOL no I was commenting on their attitude being that of the female counterpart who is a *****.

You feel me?

Ahhh yes, I get you. They have a [derogatory term referencing a female dog]y attitude. They'd be perfect for the girl scouts :P
LOL

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Re: Boy Scouts reconsidering stance on gay members
« Reply #69 on: January 29, 2013, 11:27:54 PM »
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If the gay boy becomes attracted to the straight boy, a quick punch in the nuts from the straight boy will put an end to that right quick!

... if the straight boy has enough gumption to do it, sure. And he should!

Sadly, that's not always the case, especially if the straight boy is younger, smaller, or susceptible to bullying and coercion.

Wow.

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« Reply #70 on: January 29, 2013, 11:35:48 PM »
Well if you punch a gay boy in the nuts he can turn straight.

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Re: Boy Scouts reconsidering stance on gay members
« Reply #71 on: January 29, 2013, 11:38:39 PM »
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If the gay boy becomes attracted to the straight boy, a quick punch in the nuts from the straight boy will put an end to that right quick!

... if the straight boy has enough gumption to do it, sure. And he should!

Sadly, that's not always the case, especially if the straight boy is younger, smaller, or susceptible to bullying and coercion.

Wow.

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« Reply #72 on: January 29, 2013, 11:39:03 PM »
Yo LBK, real talk. Are there more gays down under?

Oh and I chuckled when I wrote that.
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« Reply #73 on: January 29, 2013, 11:51:42 PM »
I don't see how supporting BSA means promoting homosexuality.

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Re: Boy Scouts reconsidering stance on gay members
« Reply #74 on: January 30, 2013, 12:36:51 AM »
I don't see how supporting BSA means promoting homosexuality. The only potential issue I see is having a gay boy sleep in the same room/tent and/or use the same shower facilities at the same time as other boys, in which case, there could potentially be problems. That's why the boys and girls are divided. What could we do for homosexual members? Why not put homosexual boys into the girl scouts and homosexual girls into the boy scouts? Then again, the girls might feel uncomfortable having a boy--even if he is gay--constantly around them. And the lesbian girl could be raped by the boys.

Gay boy scouts have been sleeping in the same tents as straight boy scouts since the start of the scouting movement.
not openly they haven't. Sort of like stating the fact that every army has always had enemy agents in it.
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Re: Boy Scouts reconsidering stance on gay members
« Reply #75 on: January 30, 2013, 12:42:35 AM »
I don't see how supporting BSA means promoting homosexuality. The only potential issue I see is having a gay boy sleep in the same room/tent and/or use the same shower facilities at the same time as other boys, in which case, there could potentially be problems. That's why the boys and girls are divided. What could we do for homosexual members? Why not put homosexual boys into the girl scouts and homosexual girls into the boy scouts? Then again, the girls might feel uncomfortable having a boy--even if he is gay--constantly around them. And the lesbian girl could be raped by the boys.

Gay boy scouts have been sleeping in the same tents as straight boy scouts since the start of the scouting movement.
not openly they haven't. Sort of like stating the fact that every army has always had enemy agents in it.

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Your rhetoric as of late has become more caustic on both this and the private board, I must truly ask, are you just trying be clever here or are you really playing the double meaning of the analogy?

This would relate to your comment about the Russian Odox Church passing laws against homosexual "whatever" in the private board.

Seriously, I would like to know.

Are you by extension here comparing homosexual adolescents to enemy agents within a military in how they might be viewed as the enemy, dangerous, etc.

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Re: Boy Scouts reconsidering stance on gay members
« Reply #76 on: January 30, 2013, 12:44:16 AM »
If they allow gay boys to be in Boy Scouts (which is already gay anyway), and other boys know they have one in their group, I think we all know what's going to happen.

At least in my area, I doubt there would be any difference whatsoever in how the homosexual scouts are treated.

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Re: Boy Scouts reconsidering stance on gay members
« Reply #77 on: January 30, 2013, 01:55:38 AM »
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If the gay boy becomes attracted to the straight boy, a quick punch in the nuts from the straight boy will put an end to that right quick!

... if the straight boy has enough gumption to do it, sure. And he should!

Sadly, that's not always the case, especially if the straight boy is younger, smaller, or susceptible to bullying and coercion.
This is naive.
I still think this is relevant, but when I was a kid and we knew another boy was gay, yeah they were pretty much bullied nonstop.

Gays can be bullies just as much as straights. I'm not naive, I speak from experience which is much longer than yours.  ;)
I've never met a single gay bully in my life. Are they the new boogeymen?

My dear A, you forget I'm MUCH older than you.  :-*

And yet, those a quarter of your age seem to exercise more keen judgement when it comes to dealing with groups who have been for the most part on the short end of stick when it comes violence.

I make no distinction between unwanted sexual advances between straight males on females, lesbians against straight females, or homosexual males on straight male. Predatory sexual behavior is a violation, and all who are on the receiving end of such attacks (and they need not be violent) have the right and prerogative to fend off the perpetrator.

Or are certain people here wishing to make a distinction as to how homosexual and heterosexual predation be dealt with?  >:(
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Re: Boy Scouts reconsidering stance on gay members
« Reply #78 on: January 30, 2013, 02:15:21 AM »
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If the gay boy becomes attracted to the straight boy, a quick punch in the nuts from the straight boy will put an end to that right quick!

... if the straight boy has enough gumption to do it, sure. And he should!

Sadly, that's not always the case, especially if the straight boy is younger, smaller, or susceptible to bullying and coercion.
This is naive.
I still think this is relevant, but when I was a kid and we knew another boy was gay, yeah they were pretty much bullied nonstop.

Gays can be bullies just as much as straights. I'm not naive, I speak from experience which is much longer than yours.  ;)
I've never met a single gay bully in my life. Are they the new boogeymen?

My dear A, you forget I'm MUCH older than you.  :-*

And yet, those a quarter of your age seem to exercise more keen judgement when it comes to dealing with groups who have been for the most part on the short end of stick when it comes violence.

I make no distinction between unwanted sexual advances between straight males on females, lesbians against straight females, or homosexual males on straight male. Predatory sexual behavior is a violation, and all who are on the receiving end of such attacks (and they need not be violent) have the right and prerogative to fend off the perpetrator.

Or are certain people here wishing to make a distinction as to how homosexual and heterosexual predation be dealt with?  >:(

What do you consider a "sexual advance" to be?
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Re: Boy Scouts reconsidering stance on gay members
« Reply #79 on: January 30, 2013, 02:40:16 AM »
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If the gay boy becomes attracted to the straight boy, a quick punch in the nuts from the straight boy will put an end to that right quick!

... if the straight boy has enough gumption to do it, sure. And he should!

Sadly, that's not always the case, especially if the straight boy is younger, smaller, or susceptible to bullying and coercion.
This is naive.
I still think this is relevant, but when I was a kid and we knew another boy was gay, yeah they were pretty much bullied nonstop.

Gays can be bullies just as much as straights. I'm not naive, I speak from experience which is much longer than yours.  ;)
I've never met a single gay bully in my life. Are they the new boogeymen?

My dear A, you forget I'm MUCH older than you.  :-*

And yet, those a quarter of your age seem to exercise more keen judgement when it comes to dealing with groups who have been for the most part on the short end of stick when it comes violence.

I make no distinction between unwanted sexual advances between straight males on females, lesbians against straight females, or homosexual males on straight male. Predatory sexual behavior is a violation, and all who are on the receiving end of such attacks (and they need not be violent) have the right and prerogative to fend off the perpetrator.

Or are certain people here wishing to make a distinction as to how homosexual and heterosexual predation be dealt with?  >:(

What do you consider a "sexual advance" to be?

Are you serious?
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Re: Boy Scouts reconsidering stance on gay members
« Reply #80 on: January 30, 2013, 02:46:23 AM »
I don't see how supporting BSA means promoting homosexuality. The only potential issue I see is having a gay boy sleep in the same room/tent and/or use the same shower facilities at the same time as other boys, in which case, there could potentially be problems. That's why the boys and girls are divided.
I see you don't understand the concept of mutual attraction, either. ::) Personally, I don't have a problem with a gay boy sleeping in the same tent as a straight boy and using the same facilities as the straight boys unless one or more of the boys, gay or straight, causes a problem. I just wouldn't put two gay boys in the same tent.
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Re: Boy Scouts reconsidering stance on gay members
« Reply #81 on: January 30, 2013, 04:25:10 AM »
I don't see how supporting BSA means promoting homosexuality. The only potential issue I see is having a gay boy sleep in the same room/tent and/or use the same shower facilities at the same time as other boys, in which case, there could potentially be problems. That's why the boys and girls are divided.
I see you don't understand the concept of mutual attraction, either. ::) Personally, I don't have a problem with a gay boy sleeping in the same tent as a straight boy and using the same facilities as the straight boys unless one or more of the boys, gay or straight, causes a problem. I just wouldn't put two gay boys in the same tent.

What if the gay boy is tougher than the other boys and rapes someone?
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Re: Boy Scouts reconsidering stance on gay members
« Reply #82 on: January 30, 2013, 04:49:07 AM »
Since when is "sexual orientation" comparable to a religion?

It became comparable right around the same time someone created the phrase.

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Re: Boy Scouts reconsidering stance on gay members
« Reply #83 on: January 30, 2013, 04:51:52 AM »
Since when is "sexual orientation" comparable to a religion?

For some people it seems they are identical, since this is the only thing their religion seems to care about. But never mind that...

The argument is, "If an organization allows someone who is x to be a member, then hosting that organization means endorsing x." You either take that logic to its ultimate, silly conclusion or you shouldn't employ it at all.
To answer the original question, when it has an agenda.

And the gays in this case certainly have an agenda.

Now, if you let an openly gay scout in, you're going to either a) have to him sleep in the same tent as the other boy(s) or b) have him sleep by himself.  b somewhat contradicts the whole point of scouting. a raising the question of why they couldn't have a girl sleep in the same tent (they've already had the battle of girls being let into Boy Scouts.

Do I have to explain to the silly why a Church would have a problem with that?
The Church has a problem with a gay person sleeping in the same tent as a straight person?

The Church has a problem with boys and girls sleeping the the same tent together at the same time?

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Re: Boy Scouts reconsidering stance on gay members
« Reply #84 on: January 30, 2013, 04:52:17 AM »
I think the Church's concern is that they assume all gay men are potentially pedophiles, who want to hang out with boys, and of course we just can't have that. (any more)

This is not the case at all.

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Re: Boy Scouts reconsidering stance on gay members
« Reply #85 on: January 30, 2013, 04:58:11 AM »
Since when is "sexual orientation" comparable to a religion?

For some people it seems they are identical, since this is the only thing their religion seems to care about. But never mind that...

The argument is, "If an organization allows someone who is x to be a member, then hosting that organization means endorsing x." You either take that logic to its ultimate, silly conclusion or you shouldn't employ it at all.
To answer the original question, when it has an agenda.

And the gays in this case certainly have an agenda.

Now, if you let an openly gay scout in, you're going to either a) have to him sleep in the same tent as the other boy(s) or b) have him sleep by himself.  b somewhat contradicts the whole point of scouting. a raising the question of why they couldn't have a girl sleep in the same tent (they've already had the battle of girls being let into Boy Scouts.

Do I have to explain to the silly why a Church would have a problem with that?
The Church has a problem with a gay person sleeping in the same tent as a straight person?
Only when the straight boy is sexually attracted to gay boys.
So it is fine if the straight boy is sexually attracted to straight girls?
As long as you don't allow the straight boy and the straight girl to sleep in the same tent.
If we let the gay boy sleep in the same tent with the straight boy (let alone with another gay boy), why not?
What about mutual attraction do you not understand? Boys and girls are made to be mutually attracted to each other for the propagation of our race. Two gay boys or two lesbian girls may likely become mutually attracted to each other. But a gay boy and a straight boy? If the gay boy becomes attracted to the straight boy, a quick punch in the nuts from the straight boy will put an end to that right quick!

It will also get him kicked out of the scouts, his parents taken to court, and him belittled as a bigot, hater and homophobe...unjustly, but then again, who cares about that as long as the homosexuals get what they want.

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Re: Boy Scouts reconsidering stance on gay members
« Reply #86 on: January 30, 2013, 04:59:09 AM »
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If the gay boy becomes attracted to the straight boy, a quick punch in the nuts from the straight boy will put an end to that right quick!

... if the straight boy has enough gumption to do it, sure. And he should!

Sadly, that's not always the case, especially if the straight boy is younger, smaller, or susceptible to bullying and coercion.
This is naive.



Your thinking it naive is naive.

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Re: Boy Scouts reconsidering stance on gay members
« Reply #87 on: January 30, 2013, 05:00:04 AM »
I don't see how supporting BSA means promoting homosexuality. The only potential issue I see is having a gay boy sleep in the same room/tent and/or use the same shower facilities at the same time as other boys, in which case, there could potentially be problems. That's why the boys and girls are divided. What could we do for homosexual members? Why not put homosexual boys into the girl scouts and homosexual girls into the boy scouts? Then again, the girls might feel uncomfortable having a boy--even if he is gay--constantly around them. And the lesbian girl could be raped by the boys.

Gay boy scouts have been sleeping in the same tents as straight boy scouts since the start of the scouting movement.

I personally know two gay Eagle Scouts.

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Re: Boy Scouts reconsidering stance on gay members
« Reply #88 on: January 30, 2013, 05:00:44 AM »
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If the gay boy becomes attracted to the straight boy, a quick punch in the nuts from the straight boy will put an end to that right quick!

... if the straight boy has enough gumption to do it, sure. And he should!

Sadly, that's not always the case, especially if the straight boy is younger, smaller, or susceptible to bullying and coercion.
This is naive.
I still think this is relevant, but when I was a kid and we knew another boy was gay, yeah they were pretty much bullied nonstop.

Gays can be bullies just as much as straights. I'm not naive, I speak from experience which is much longer than yours.  ;)
I've never met a single gay bully in my life. Are they the new boogeymen?

Funny...I have met a lot.

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Re: Boy Scouts reconsidering stance on gay members
« Reply #89 on: January 30, 2013, 07:03:23 AM »
Sadly, that's not always the case, especially if the straight boy is younger, smaller, or susceptible to bullying and coercion.

I know for a fact your supposition occurs in fact. And the effects of these encounters can be tragic for the victim later in life (but not long made apparent). Such predation can start very early. 

Sorry you're getting flack for posting the truth.
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