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The Boy Scout of America [BSA] is considering ending its longstanding national membership restrictions based on sexual orientation. Under the change now being discussed, the different religious and civic groups that sponsor Scout units would be able to decide for themselves how to address the issue — either maintaining an exclusion of gays or opening up their membership. predicted that if the BSA go through with this, then the BSA would be excluded from Catholic parishes, since to sponsor a BSA unit would be to cooperate with a group that supports what is considered an immoral position. Do Orthodox parishes have BSA units, and would this potential change affect Orthodox-BSA relationships? |
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« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2013, 09:29:49 AM » |
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My GOA parish did, but that was nearly a half-century ago though. I'll check later to see if it is still active. It was a very large troop back in the early 60's.
No way to answer your second question from here.
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« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2013, 10:32:59 AM » |
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The BSA currently allows Muslims, Protestants, Jews and Buddhists to join. Does that mean that Catholic churches that host BSA troops are endorsing those positions?
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« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2013, 10:42:27 AM » |
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The BSA currently allows Muslims, Protestants, Jews and Buddhists to join. Does that mean that Catholic churches that host BSA troops are endorsing those positions?
True. I think the Catholic commentator is being a bit too dramatic. |
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"Those who say religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion is." -- Mohandas Gandhi
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« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2013, 10:56:42 AM » |
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Since when is "sexual orientation" comparable to a religion?
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« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2013, 11:08:23 AM » |
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The Boy Scout of America [BSA] is considering ending its longstanding national membership restrictions based on sexual orientation. Under the change now being discussed, the different religious and civic groups that sponsor Scout units would be able to decide for themselves how to address the issue — either maintaining an exclusion of gays or opening up their membership. predicted that if the BSA go through with this, then the BSA would be excluded from Catholic parishes, since to sponsor a BSA unit would be to cooperate with a group that supports what is considered an immoral position. Do Orthodox parishes have BSA units, and would this potential change affect Orthodox-BSA relationships? The Girl Scouts did this years ago, neither the Orthodox or Catholic Churches disaffiliated with them. Most seem unaware that the local Chartering Organization has complete control over the troop. They approve leadership and can, although this very rare nowadays, have a closed troop for oly members of that faith. |
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« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2013, 11:27:53 AM » |
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Since when is "sexual orientation" comparable to a religion?
For some people it seems they are identical, since this is the only thing their religion seems to care about. But never mind that... The argument is, "If an organization allows someone who is x to be a member, then hosting that organization means endorsing x." You either take that logic to its ultimate, silly conclusion or you shouldn't employ it at all. |
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« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2013, 11:50:18 AM » |
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Since when is "sexual orientation" comparable to a religion?
When it becomes the all encompassing focus of your being and energies. |
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« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2013, 12:56:27 PM » |
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Since when is "sexual orientation" comparable to a religion?
For some people it seems they are identical, since this is the only thing their religion seems to care about. But never mind that... The argument is, "If an organization allows someone who is x to be a member, then hosting that organization means endorsing x." You either take that logic to its ultimate, silly conclusion or you shouldn't employ it at all. To answer the original question, when it has an agenda. And the gays in this case certainly have an agenda. Now, if you let an openly gay scout in, you're going to either a) have to him sleep in the same tent as the other boy(s) or b) have him sleep by himself. b somewhat contradicts the whole point of scouting. a raising the question of why they couldn't have a girl sleep in the same tent (they've already had the battle of girls being let into Boy Scouts. Do I have to explain to the silly why a Church would have a problem with that? |
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« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2013, 01:15:51 PM » |
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Since when is "sexual orientation" comparable to a religion?
For some people it seems they are identical, since this is the only thing their religion seems to care about. But never mind that... The argument is, "If an organization allows someone who is x to be a member, then hosting that organization means endorsing x." You either take that logic to its ultimate, silly conclusion or you shouldn't employ it at all. To answer the original question, when it has an agenda. And the gays in this case certainly have an agenda. Now, if you let an openly gay scout in, you're going to either a) have to him sleep in the same tent as the other boy(s) or b) have him sleep by himself. b somewhat contradicts the whole point of scouting. a raising the question of why they couldn't have a girl sleep in the same tent (they've already had the battle of girls being let into Boy Scouts. Do I have to explain to the silly why a Church would have a problem with that? The Church has a problem with a gay person sleeping in the same tent as a straight person? |
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"Those who say religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion is." -- Mohandas Gandhi
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« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2013, 01:19:40 PM » |
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I think the Church's concern is that they assume all gay men are potentially pedophiles, who want to hang out with boys, and of course we just can't have that. (any more)
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« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2013, 01:45:34 PM » |
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Since when is "sexual orientation" comparable to a religion?
For some people it seems they are identical, since this is the only thing their religion seems to care about. But never mind that... The argument is, "If an organization allows someone who is x to be a member, then hosting that organization means endorsing x." You either take that logic to its ultimate, silly conclusion or you shouldn't employ it at all. To answer the original question, when it has an agenda. And the gays in this case certainly have an agenda. Now, if you let an openly gay scout in, you're going to either a) have to him sleep in the same tent as the other boy(s) or b) have him sleep by himself. b somewhat contradicts the whole point of scouting. a raising the question of why they couldn't have a girl sleep in the same tent (they've already had the battle of girls being let into Boy Scouts. Do I have to explain to the silly why a Church would have a problem with that? The Church has a problem with a gay person sleeping in the same tent as a straight person?  |
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« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2013, 02:04:03 PM » |
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Since when is "sexual orientation" comparable to a religion?
For some people it seems they are identical, since this is the only thing their religion seems to care about. But never mind that... The argument is, "If an organization allows someone who is x to be a member, then hosting that organization means endorsing x." You either take that logic to its ultimate, silly conclusion or you shouldn't employ it at all. To answer the original question, when it has an agenda. And the gays in this case certainly have an agenda. Now, if you let an openly gay scout in, you're going to either a) have to him sleep in the same tent as the other boy(s) or b) have him sleep by himself. b somewhat contradicts the whole point of scouting. a raising the question of why they couldn't have a girl sleep in the same tent (they've already had the battle of girls being let into Boy Scouts. Do I have to explain to the silly why a Church would have a problem with that? The Church has a problem with a gay person sleeping in the same tent as a straight person? The lawsuits have reminded the Vatican of that. |
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« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2013, 02:04:32 PM » |
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Since when is "sexual orientation" comparable to a religion?
For some people it seems they are identical, since this is the only thing their religion seems to care about. But never mind that... The argument is, "If an organization allows someone who is x to be a member, then hosting that organization means endorsing x." You either take that logic to its ultimate, silly conclusion or you shouldn't employ it at all. To answer the original question, when it has an agenda. And the gays in this case certainly have an agenda. Now, if you let an openly gay scout in, you're going to either a) have to him sleep in the same tent as the other boy(s) or b) have him sleep by himself. b somewhat contradicts the whole point of scouting. a raising the question of why they couldn't have a girl sleep in the same tent (they've already had the battle of girls being let into Boy Scouts. Do I have to explain to the silly why a Church would have a problem with that? The Church has a problem with a gay person sleeping in the same tent as a straight person? Only when the straight boy is sexually attracted to gay boys. |
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« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2013, 02:38:05 PM » |
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Since when is "sexual orientation" comparable to a religion?
For some people it seems they are identical, since this is the only thing their religion seems to care about. But never mind that... The argument is, "If an organization allows someone who is x to be a member, then hosting that organization means endorsing x." You either take that logic to its ultimate, silly conclusion or you shouldn't employ it at all. To answer the original question, when it has an agenda. And the gays in this case certainly have an agenda. Now, if you let an openly gay scout in, you're going to either a) have to him sleep in the same tent as the other boy(s) or b) have him sleep by himself. b somewhat contradicts the whole point of scouting. a raising the question of why they couldn't have a girl sleep in the same tent (they've already had the battle of girls being let into Boy Scouts. Do I have to explain to the silly why a Church would have a problem with that? The Church has a problem with a gay person sleeping in the same tent as a straight person? Only when the straight boy is sexually attracted to gay boys. So it is fine if the straight boy is sexually attracted to straight girls? |
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« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2013, 02:43:22 PM » |
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Since when is "sexual orientation" comparable to a religion?
Since people started worshipping it. |
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Not to be flippantly dismissive, but something of such a personal nature as this is best addressed by your priest, not by anonymous yahoos on an Internet discussion forum.
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« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2013, 02:46:49 PM » |
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I think the Church's concern is that they assume all gay men are potentially pedophiles, who want to hang out with boys, and of course we just can't have that. (any more)
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Not to be flippantly dismissive, but something of such a personal nature as this is best addressed by your priest, not by anonymous yahoos on an Internet discussion forum.
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« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2013, 02:48:07 PM » |
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Since when is "sexual orientation" comparable to a religion?
And since when is it considered sinful? I think David Gibson's opinion represents only a minute fraction of Catholics. (I guess I'm not telling you anything you haven't already figured out.) |
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« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2013, 02:49:36 PM » |
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Since when is "sexual orientation" comparable to a religion?
Since people started worshipping it.  But, seriously, it would then follow that the sun is a religion, since there have been people who worshiped it. |
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« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2013, 02:56:28 PM » |
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the world is totes going to end. Gayz!!
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« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2013, 05:16:50 PM » |
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Since when is "sexual orientation" comparable to a religion?
For some people it seems they are identical, since this is the only thing their religion seems to care about. But never mind that... The argument is, "If an organization allows someone who is x to be a member, then hosting that organization means endorsing x." You either take that logic to its ultimate, silly conclusion or you shouldn't employ it at all. To answer the original question, when it has an agenda. And the gays in this case certainly have an agenda. Now, if you let an openly gay scout in, you're going to either a) have to him sleep in the same tent as the other boy(s) or b) have him sleep by himself. b somewhat contradicts the whole point of scouting. a raising the question of why they couldn't have a girl sleep in the same tent (they've already had the battle of girls being let into Boy Scouts. Do I have to explain to the silly why a Church would have a problem with that? The Church has a problem with a gay person sleeping in the same tent as a straight person? Only when the straight boy is sexually attracted to gay boys. So it is fine if the straight boy is sexually attracted to straight girls? As long as you don't allow the straight boy and the straight girl to sleep in the same tent. |
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« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2013, 05:19:35 PM » |
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And the gays in this case certainly have an agenda.
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Since when is "sexual orientation" comparable to a religion?
For some people it seems they are identical, since this is the only thing their religion seems to care about. But never mind that... The argument is, "If an organization allows someone who is x to be a member, then hosting that organization means endorsing x." You either take that logic to its ultimate, silly conclusion or you shouldn't employ it at all. To answer the original question, when it has an agenda. And the gays in this case certainly have an agenda. Now, if you let an openly gay scout in, you're going to either a) have to him sleep in the same tent as the other boy(s) or b) have him sleep by himself. b somewhat contradicts the whole point of scouting. a raising the question of why they couldn't have a girl sleep in the same tent (they've already had the battle of girls being let into Boy Scouts. Do I have to explain to the silly why a Church would have a problem with that? Really, what is more gay than the Boy Scouts other than parades? |
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Orthonorm, your sig is great. Great juxtaposition.
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« Reply #25 on: January 29, 2013, 05:52:24 PM » |
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I will never get this whole thing. I mean, I was in the Boy Scouts for six years- and left because of the all-Protestants troop's attitude towards Orthodox and Catholics, not their position towards gay scouts. I mean, I'm bisexual and there was never a problem- of course, none of them were ever exactly what I would call attractive anyway, so that bit never had a reason to come out.
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Really, what is more gay than the Boy Scouts other than parades?
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And the gays in this case certainly have an agenda.
And what is on that agenda for August 14th 2014 at 14:00? My gay agenda for the rest of day: Finish laundry Put dishes away Feed dogs Do an online course for job Study Hebrew Force everyone else to become gay married Watch NOVA Say prayers Go to sleep |
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I will never get this whole thing. I mean, I was in the Boy Scouts for six years- and left because of the all-Protestants troop's attitude towards Orthodox and Catholics, not their position towards gay scouts. I mean, I'm bisexual and there was never a problem- of course, none of them were ever exactly what I would call attractive anyway, so that bit never had a reason to come out.
One day you too will be able to be officially within the Boy Scouts while being shunned for being bi. Free at last! |
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I will never get this whole thing. I mean, I was in the Boy Scouts for six years- and left because of the all-Protestants troop's attitude towards Orthodox and Catholics, not their position towards gay scouts. I mean, I'm bisexual and there was never a problem- of course, none of them were ever exactly what I would call attractive anyway, so that bit never had a reason to come out.
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I will never get this whole thing. I mean, I was in the Boy Scouts for six years- and left because of the all-Protestants troop's attitude towards Orthodox and Catholics, not their position towards gay scouts. I mean, I'm bisexual and there was never a problem- of course, none of them were ever exactly what I would call attractive anyway, so that bit never had a reason to come out.
One day you too will be able to be officially within the Boy Scouts while being shunned for being bi. Free at last! Yes, because exhanging one shunning for another will be so tremendously fun. Irony. Learn it soon. |
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Irony.
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« Reply #33 on: January 29, 2013, 06:33:02 PM » |
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And the gays in this case certainly have an agenda.
And what is on that agenda for August 14th 2014 at 14:00? My gay agenda for the rest of day: Finish gay laundry Put gay dishes away Feed gay dogs Do a gay online course for job Study gay Hebrew Force everyone else to become gay married Watch gay NOVA Say gay prayers Go to gay sleep Fixed that for you so that it properly demonstrates how being gay is the core of everything you do. Because if that’s not the case, your gay day seems strikingly like my straight day (minus the Jew-y stuff), and that makes me as a Straight-American uncomfortable. |
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Irony.
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Really, what is more gay than the Boy Scouts other than parades?
Isn't one of them a boy scout? The Village People is sorta like combining the worst of both worlds. No: a cop, a construction worker, an american indian, a leather guy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS9OO0S5w2k |
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And the gays in this case certainly have an agenda.
And what is on that agenda for August 14th 2014 at 14:00? My gay agenda for the rest of day: Finish gay laundry Put gay dishes away Feed gay dogs Do a gay online course for job Study gay Hebrew Force everyone else to become gay married Watch gay NOVA Say gay prayers Go to gay sleep Fixed that for you so that it properly demonstrates how being gay is the core of everything you do. This thread gets more awesomer. |
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We cannot legislate morality by passing laws controlling firearms. The only evil we can combat lies within our hearts. We need stronger laws to protect the moral foundation of society against the evil of gay marriage. |
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« Reply #37 on: January 29, 2013, 06:37:15 PM » |
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This thread gets more awesomer. [/quote] Or just more stranger. And I STILL cannot work that quote tag! |
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« Reply #38 on: January 29, 2013, 07:28:44 PM » |
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If people cry at weddings...why don't they laugh at funerals?
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« Reply #39 on: January 29, 2013, 07:44:02 PM » |
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« Reply #40 on: January 29, 2013, 07:47:02 PM » |
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NOVA is pretty gay. How's this...'watch Downton Abbey". |
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If people cry at weddings...why don't they laugh at funerals?
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« Reply #41 on: January 29, 2013, 08:56:19 PM » |
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NOVA is pretty gay. How's this...'watch Downton Abbey". Though Downton Abbey seems like it would have some gay points attached to it, the gay guy in it is kind of a villain, thus undermining the gay television agenda. Gay. |
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Since when is "sexual orientation" comparable to a religion?
For some people it seems they are identical, since this is the only thing their religion seems to care about. But never mind that... The argument is, "If an organization allows someone who is x to be a member, then hosting that organization means endorsing x." You either take that logic to its ultimate, silly conclusion or you shouldn't employ it at all. To answer the original question, when it has an agenda. And the gays in this case certainly have an agenda. Now, if you let an openly gay scout in, you're going to either a) have to him sleep in the same tent as the other boy(s) or b) have him sleep by himself. b somewhat contradicts the whole point of scouting. a raising the question of why they couldn't have a girl sleep in the same tent (they've already had the battle of girls being let into Boy Scouts. Do I have to explain to the silly why a Church would have a problem with that? The Church has a problem with a gay person sleeping in the same tent as a straight person? Only when the straight boy is sexually attracted to gay boys. So it is fine if the straight boy is sexually attracted to straight girls? As long as you don't allow the straight boy and the straight girl to sleep in the same tent. If we let the gay boy sleep in the same tent with the straight boy (let alone with another gay boy), why not? |
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« Reply #43 on: January 29, 2013, 09:15:36 PM » |
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And the gays in this case certainly have an agenda.
And what is on that agenda for August 14th 2014 at 14:00? My gay agenda for the rest of day: Finish laundry Put dishes away Feed dogs Do an online course for job Study Hebrew Force everyone else to become gay married Watch NOVA Say prayers Go to sleep with whom? |
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Question a friend, perhaps he did not do it; but if he did anything so that he may do it no more.
A hasty quarrel kindles fire,
and urgent strife sheds blood.
If you blow on a spark, it will glow;
if you spit on it, it will be put out;
and both come out of your mouth
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And the gays in this case certainly have an agenda.
And what is on that agenda for August 14th 2014 at 14:00? My gay agenda for the rest of day: Finish laundry Put dishes away Feed dogs Do an online course for job Study Hebrew Force everyone else to become gay married Watch NOVA Say prayers Go to sleep - But we've also expanded into other important areas. Literacy programs, preserving our beloved covered bridges, world domination... |
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