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« Reply #540 on: July 19, 2013, 08:41:25 PM »

I am a little flabbergasted at how many people feel it necessary to allow open homosexuals into the Scouts, make known their defenseless defense of homosexuality in general, its implementation into the Scouts which are contradictory to its founding values, and the circus which follows but remain silent when they do not allow “fat kids” to engage in activities because it’s against their ethics.  I would say it seems peoples priorities are skewed, but I think it is more in line with their hypocrisy in the unequal views they take on in this word.
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« Reply #541 on: July 19, 2013, 09:03:43 PM »

As a fat kid, I would think I would have a much harder time with scouting activities than a gay kid in better shape.
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« Reply #542 on: July 19, 2013, 09:10:14 PM »

While BMI may not be the best measure, the reason this rule got put in place is that overweight scouts and scouters were needing rescued from the backcountry at high adventure bases, the National Jamboree is now held at a high adventure base, so the rule applies to the Jamboree now.
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« Reply #543 on: July 19, 2013, 09:12:24 PM »

As a fat kid, I would think I would have a much harder time with scouting activities than a gay kid in better shape.

So, it’s a lie about equality, about the same opportunities for everyone, etc.  A double standard with excuses to justify that double standard.  Accepting the politically correct sin of people in a sinful society is more important than building the self-esteem of an overweight child and teaching him skills that will assist him through his entire life.  Rather than support him in getting into better shape just shut him out because he is too fat and teach him homosexuals are ok, but not fat people.  Encouraging kids to engage in sexual depravity is better than including a fat child in your activities because fat kids make you look bad but including homosexual children (at an age they don’t really understand their sexuality so it’s a foolish concept to begin with) looks better in the public eye.  Good to know.  I always assumed it was hypocritical in nature, now I know.  Good job Boy Scouts.  Good to go people who think what they are doing is ok.
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« Reply #544 on: July 19, 2013, 09:13:25 PM »

While BMI may not be the best measure, the reason this rule got put in place is that overweight scouts and scouters were needing rescued from the backcountry at high adventure bases, the National Jamboree is now held at a high adventure base, so the rule applies to the Jamboree now.

Maybe they should hold it in an area everyone can be included.  Double standards are not good.
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« Reply #545 on: July 20, 2013, 07:27:58 AM »

Too much pontificating here, not enough racing.

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« Reply #546 on: July 20, 2013, 07:31:04 AM »

Sadly it is more important to bow to the vociferous demands of an articulate, and in some areas of civic society over represented, lobby while actually missing the supposed target of inclusion. This, if nothing else, shows that the inclusion argument is a lie.

What makes it sad is the fat boys probably need opportunities to exercise and socialise if their body mass issues are to be overcome.
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« Reply #547 on: July 20, 2013, 08:15:36 AM »

Sadly it is more important to bow to the vociferous demands of an articulate, and in some areas of civic society over represented, lobby while actually missing the supposed target of inclusion. This, if nothing else, shows that the inclusion argument is a lie.

What makes it sad is the fat boys probably need opportunities to exercise and socialise if their body mass issues are to be overcome.
Yes, but a high adventure base is not the place to do it.
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« Reply #548 on: July 20, 2013, 03:35:44 PM »

Truly! The inclusion rhetoric is patently ridiculous. I am a current Life Scout, and was thinking of gaining Eagle Scout, but then I realized that Eagle Scout was not worth it if homosexuals would be admitted. There even is a merit badge about homosexuality, I don't remember what it is called, but that was the last straw to me. I wanted to be a Scout leader when I grew up, but that's also out the window now.
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« Reply #549 on: July 20, 2013, 03:43:34 PM »

then I realized that Eagle Scout was not worth it if homosexuals would be admitted.
serious question: did you smoke crack right before you posted that?
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« Reply #550 on: July 20, 2013, 03:48:41 PM »

OC.net never ceases to amuse me. Here I was thinking that Scouts have nothing to do with sexuality but apparently I was wrong.
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« Reply #551 on: July 20, 2013, 03:49:11 PM »

No, I did not smoke crack. I just thought that if homosexuals were to be admitted then unpleasant things would happen, and in comparison even completing Eagle Scout would not be enough of a motivation to remain in an organization that could be corrupted even more. If Catholic churches are refusing to charter Scout troops after this, I do not blame them. Better not to be an Eagle Scout than to be exposed to people with strange sexual mores.
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« Reply #552 on: July 20, 2013, 03:50:08 PM »

No, I did not smoke crack.

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« Reply #553 on: July 20, 2013, 03:58:26 PM »

No, I did not smoke crack. I just thought that if homosexuals were to be admitted then unpleasant things would happen, [...]Better not to be an Eagle Scout than to be exposed to people with strange sexual mores.
it's settled, then: you definitely dropped acid.

What are you afraid of? That you'll catch the gay bug or something?

I hear it's an airborne disease.  Watch out.  Pretty soon, you'll start thinking about men.
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« Reply #554 on: July 20, 2013, 04:34:58 PM »

Truly! The inclusion rhetoric is patently ridiculous. I am a current Life Scout, and was thinking of gaining Eagle Scout, but then I realized that Eagle Scout was not worth it if homosexuals would be admitted. There even is a merit badge about homosexuality, I don't remember what it is called, but that was the last straw to me. I wanted to be a Scout leader when I grew up, but that's also out the window now.
First there is no homosexuality meritbadge.  Second, homosexual scouts have always been around.  Before this year, depending on the troop and council, a scout could be dismissed for proclaiming it.  That is no longer so.  As an Eagle Scout and Scoutmaster, Scouting has been about camping, service, and leadership.  Sexuality has been a non-issue, that is for mom and dad.  Scouts shouldn't be having sex period.  Some do, we don't kick them out either. I encourae you to stick with it and earn Eagle.  Your bishops haven't abandoned the BSA, neither should you.
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« Reply #555 on: July 20, 2013, 04:51:18 PM »

then I realized that Eagle Scout was not worth it if homosexuals would be admitted.
serious question: did you smoke crack right before you posted that?

I don't know what it took to post what he did, but I know I cracked up reading it.
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« Reply #556 on: July 20, 2013, 04:53:09 PM »

Scouting is about camping!  laugh Sums this little theme up, methinks Wink
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« Reply #557 on: July 20, 2013, 04:54:32 PM »

I never went camping as a scout. There was just a lot of arts and crafts in some church basement, and then once a year we raced cars. Why is everyone ignoring the cars? Gays have as much right to race cars as vanilla folk.
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« Reply #558 on: July 20, 2013, 07:00:06 PM »

I never went camping as a scout. There was just a lot of arts and crafts in some church basement, and then once a year we raced cars. Why is everyone ignoring the cars? Gays have as much right to race cars as vanilla folk.

That's Cub Scouts (1st through 5th grade) and back in the day they didn't camp (and still mostly don't) and why I was not one of them.
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« Reply #559 on: July 20, 2013, 07:51:34 PM »

No, I did not smoke crack. I just thought that if homosexuals were to be admitted then unpleasant things would happen, [...]Better not to be an Eagle Scout than to be exposed to people with strange sexual mores.
it's settled, then: you definitely dropped acid.

What are you afraid of? That you'll catch the gay bug or something?

I hear it's an airborne disease.  Watch out.  Pretty soon, you'll start thinking about men.
Sarcastic responses and personal attacks always help in a conversation (when you have nothing else to say).

Accusing someone of smoking crack and taking acid for their belief in a better Scouting organization is childish.
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« Reply #560 on: July 20, 2013, 07:57:55 PM »

"Homosexuals have always been around".  Does this work for everything?  Lets see...

"Adulterers have always been around".

"Fornicators have always been around".

"Rapists have always been around".

"Murderers have always been around".

"Thieves have always been around".

Doesn't seem to make it better, but that's ok, as long as the fat kids stay home.
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« Reply #561 on: July 20, 2013, 08:00:09 PM »

then I realized that Eagle Scout was not worth it if homosexuals would be admitted.
serious question: did you smoke crack right before you posted that?

I don't know what it took to post what he did, but I know I cracked up reading it.
Why is that?  Because you foolishly think its ok to be homosexual and don't believe in an organization which stands against homosexuality being openly accepted? 
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« Reply #562 on: July 20, 2013, 08:20:10 PM »

then I realized that Eagle Scout was not worth it if homosexuals would be admitted.
serious question: did you smoke crack right before you posted that?

I don't know what it took to post what he did, but I know I cracked up reading it.
Why is that?  Because you foolishly think its ok to be homosexual and don't believe in an organization which stands against homosexuality being openly accepted? 

No.  Perhaps some folks just don't require that other groups be actively persecuted in order to feel safe in practicing Orthodoxy.  Just because people don't believe homosexuals should be actively persecuted doesn't mean that they believe being a "practicing homosexual" is OK.  You're an interesting fellow, Kerdy.  Anyone who disagrees with you on any number of things is not a right-believing Christian.  Hubris plain and simple. 
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« Reply #563 on: July 20, 2013, 08:26:34 PM »

then I realized that Eagle Scout was not worth it if homosexuals would be admitted.
serious question: did you smoke crack right before you posted that?

I don't know what it took to post what he did, but I know I cracked up reading it.
Why is that?  Because you foolishly think its ok to be homosexual and don't believe in an organization which stands against homosexuality being openly accepted? 

No.  Perhaps some folks just don't require that other groups be actively persecuted in order to feel safe in practicing Orthodoxy.  Just because people don't believe homosexuals should be actively persecuted doesn't mean that they believe being a "practicing homosexual" is OK.  You're an interesting fellow, Kerdy.  Anyone who disagrees with you on any number of things is not a right-believing Christian.  Hubris plain and simple. 
Not allowing something into an organization with a Christian moral foundation is not persecution, although it does sound cool when you use that word, just like bigot and homophobe.  Doesn't matter if its true or not.  Since they really aren't persecuted, an Orthodox should hold to what the Church teaches on the subject, not succumb to political correctness.  Either way, it's all good.  Just keep the fat kids away.  It's ok to persecute them.  They're fat.
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« Reply #564 on: July 20, 2013, 08:40:30 PM »

The BSA didn't have to let anyone in.  They chose to.  Yes, they were pressured to do so, but they are the ones who ultimately gave in.  BTW, I don't believe the BSA should've given in due to political pressure.  If the organization feels that active homosexuals should not be admitted, then as a private org that is their right.  I've said as much since the beginning of this whole fiasco.  However, people shouldn't get up in arms when donors more sympathetic to gay rights decide to take their money elsewhere.  No one is obligated to give money to the BSA and people shouldn't act like it is a persecution of Christianity when people refuse to donate to BSA because their morals/values don't align with the BSA.  It's ridiculous.  And what does homophobia have to do with any of this?  Are you just throwing out words now out of frustration?  I for one have never met anyone that I would classify as a "homophobe".  A stupid word, really.   Anyway, I have my views on a whole host of issues and never give in, even if what I say is politically incorrect and could get me into trouble both personally and professionally.  I admire people who stick to their guns, even if I disagree with them.  I've defended such people both in my personal and professional life more than once.  However, I don't like when people make false accusations and attempt to silence anyone who disagrees with them.  That goes for you and your baseless accusations and for the gay lobby who by means of intimidation and falsehood coerced the BSA into taking a position that it did not want to take. 
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« Reply #565 on: July 20, 2013, 08:47:55 PM »

You all realize allowing openly homosexual troops in the Scouts is the foot in the door for openly homosexual troop leaders and the same arguments will be made for their inclusion.  Of course not, right?  Slippery slope fallacy. Roll Eyes

As long as the fat kids aren't around.  We can't alter stuff for the fatties, just everyone else.
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« Reply #566 on: July 20, 2013, 08:49:39 PM »

I never went camping as a scout. There was just a lot of arts and crafts in some church basement, and then once a year we raced cars. Why is everyone ignoring the cars? Gays have as much right to race cars as vanilla folk.

That's Cub Scouts (1st through 5th grade) and back in the day they didn't camp (and still mostly don't) and why I was not one of them.

Huh. I thought I was in boy scouts as well. Maybe not. I remember going camping just once, but that might have been with a church youth group.
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« Reply #567 on: July 20, 2013, 08:49:57 PM »

The BSA didn't have to let anyone in.  They chose to.  Yes, they were pressured to do so, but they are the ones who ultimately gave in.  BTW, I don't believe the BSA should've given in due to political pressure.  If the organization feels that active homosexuals should not be admitted, then as a private org that is their right.  I've said as much since the beginning of this whole fiasco.  However, people shouldn't get up in arms when donors more sympathetic to gay rights decide to take their money elsewhere.  No one is obligated to give money to the BSA and people shouldn't act like it is a persecution of Christianity when people refuse to donate to BSA because their morals/values don't align with the BSA.  It's ridiculous.  And what does homophobia have to do with any of this?  Are you just throwing out words now out of frustration?  I for one have never met anyone that I would classify as a "homophobe".  A stupid word, really.   Anyway, I have my views on a whole host of issues and never give in, even if what I say is politically incorrect and could get me into trouble both personally and professionally.  I admire people who stick to their guns, even if I disagree with them.  I've defended such people both in my personal and professional life more than once.  However, I don't like when people make false accusations and attempt to silence anyone who disagrees with them.  That goes for you and your baseless accusations and for the gay lobby who by means of intimidation and falsehood coerced the BSA into taking a position that it did not want to take. 
Wow, you really haven't been paying attention at all.
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« Reply #568 on: July 20, 2013, 08:54:59 PM »

"Homosexuals have always been around".  Does this work for everything?  Lets see...

"Adulterers have always been around".

"Fornicators have always been around".

"Rapists have always been around".

"Murderers have always been around".

"Thieves have always been around".

Doesn't seem to make it better, but that's ok, as long as the fat kids stay home.

See the difference is one has to actually have done something to earn the other titles. A kid can state he is homosexual without actually having had sex.  The BSA didn't endorse homosexuality, gays still can't be leaders, it just won't kick kids, potentially confused kids, out over a matter that it has no control over and traditionally has not dealt with.  The Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church, as far as I know, doesn't proclaim it a sin to be homosexual, only being unchaste is sinful.  The BSA states Scouts shouldn't be sexually active, but it doesn't inquire into boys' sexual activity either.  

And yes, if your overweight your not suited for high adventure activities.  Being overweigt myself I don't meet BMI requiremes either.  Fat leaders had heart attacks in the back country.  Fat scouts were injuring themselves in the back country.  You know what costs alot and ruins everybody else's time?  Having to have fat injured people helicoptered out of the back country. They can still go to summer camp just not high adventure bases.
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« Reply #569 on: July 20, 2013, 08:55:44 PM »

No, I did not smoke crack. I just thought that if homosexuals were to be admitted then unpleasant things would happen, [...]Better not to be an Eagle Scout than to be exposed to people with strange sexual mores.
it's settled, then: you definitely dropped acid.

What are you afraid of? That you'll catch the gay bug or something?

I hear it's an airborne disease.  Watch out.  Pretty soon, you'll start thinking about men.
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Accusing someone of smoking crack and taking acid for their belief in a better Scouting organization is childish.
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« Reply #570 on: July 20, 2013, 08:59:09 PM »

You all realize allowing openly homosexual troops in the Scouts is the foot in the door for openly homosexual troop leaders and the same arguments will be made for their inclusion.  Of course not, right?  Slippery slope fallacy. Roll Eyes

Anyone who denies this is living with their head in the sand, IMO.  Of course it will happen.  And yes, Christians should be concerned.  The gay community, while not monolithic by any means, is represented by LGBT lobbying groups that are quite radicalized and often hold and promote views that are not only in opposition to Christianity but that seek to actively persecute it.  Be concerned, by all means.  Your shrill rhetoric is old and tired though and your penchant for bearing false witness against your brothers and sisters in Christ is not OK.  
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No, I did not smoke crack. I just thought that if homosexuals were to be admitted then unpleasant things would happen, [...]Better not to be an Eagle Scout than to be exposed to people with strange sexual mores.
it's settled, then: you definitely dropped acid.

What are you afraid of? That you'll catch the gay bug or something?

I hear it's an airborne disease.  Watch out.  Pretty soon, you'll start thinking about men.
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« Reply #572 on: July 20, 2013, 09:10:49 PM »

OC.net never ceases to amuse me. Here I was thinking that Scouts have nothing to do with sexuality but apparently I was wrong.
i'd venture to make a guess: some users that get so worked up about it are probably afraid they'd be found too weak when faced with those scouts temptations.
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« Reply #573 on: July 20, 2013, 09:13:57 PM »

The BSA didn't have to let anyone in.  They chose to.  

And they chose to live under corrupted values.

Yes, they were pressured to do so, but they are the ones who ultimately gave in.  BTW, I don't believe the BSA should've given in due to political pressure.  If the organization feels that active homosexuals should not be admitted, then as a private org that is their right.  I've said as much since the beginning of this whole fiasco.  

Yet they were harassed into changing their policy.

However, people shouldn't get up in arms when donors more sympathetic to gay rights decide to take their money elsewhere.  No one is obligated to give money to the BSA and people shouldn't act like it is a persecution of Christianity when people refuse to donate to BSA because their morals/values don't align with the BSA.  It's ridiculous

First, it IS a persecution of Christianity.  What universe have you been living in?  Pay attention to what is going on in the world.  If Christian values don’t submit to secular, destroy them.  That is the mentality you seemingly ignore.  

You are right though, no one is obligated to give the BSA one red cent, but instead of creating their own pseudo-inclusive organization, they campaign to change one already in place.  That is what’s ridiculous.

And what does homophobia have to do with any of this?  Are you just throwing out words now out of frustration?  I for one have never met anyone that I would classify as a "homophobe".  A stupid word, really.  

You tell me.  I’m not the one who tossed them around in daily language.  Again, you really haven’t been paying much attention, have you?  They are stupid words, but people use them as catch phrases all the time.

Anyway, I have my views on a whole host of issues and never give in, even if what I say is politically incorrect and could get me into trouble both personally and professionally.  I admire people who stick to their guns, even if I disagree with them.  I've defended such people both in my personal and professional life more than once.  

Just not the BSA I suppose.  

However, I don't like when people make false accusations and attempt to silence anyone who disagrees with them.  

The homosexual activists.  I agree, they should stop.

That goes for you and your baseless accusations and for the gay lobby who by means of intimidation and falsehood coerced the BSA into taking a position that it did not want to take.  

Stop drinking the Kool-Aid my friend.  It’s toxic.  There is about 20-30 years of proof to show how wrong this statement is.  Research is your friend, since you apparently didn’t observe it as it took place.  For instance, submit or go unfunded.  No intimidation there, none whatsoever.
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« Reply #574 on: July 20, 2013, 09:14:25 PM »

OC.net never ceases to amuse me. Here I was thinking that Scouts have nothing to do with sexuality but apparently I was wrong.
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« Reply #575 on: July 20, 2013, 09:27:56 PM »

See the difference is one has to actually have done something to earn the other titles. A kid can state he is homosexual without actually having had sex.  

This is one of the mistakes people now make as a result of the massive confusion assault on society regarding sexual sins.  Your statement is absolutely incorrect.  A person actually does have to engage in homosexuality to be considered a homosexual, otherwise it’s just a tendency or temptation.  Again, apply your thought process to something else and see if it works.  For example:

Billy saw a candy bar he really wanted and was tempted to take it, but didn’t, which still makes him a thief.

Sally was really in love with her boyfriend and wanted to engage in fornication, but didn’t, which still makes her a fornicator.

Sam was approached by a woman in his office to have sex with her, even though he was attracted to her and tempted, he declined, which still makes him an adulterer.  

Doesn’t really work with anything else, unless that person obsesses over the temptation.  So, if you don’t engage in homosexuality, you aren’t really homosexual.  Let’s stop muddying the water here.  

Also, I still haven’t figured out how supposedly millions of preteen boys identify as homosexual all by themselves without outside influence.  Oh, that’s right, they don’t.

The BSA didn't endorse homosexuality,

That’s a matter of opinion, but at the very least they compromised on their morals.  Acceptance of a deviant practice is an endorsement.

gays still can't be leaders

It’s coming.  It always does.

it just won't kick kids, potentially confused kids, out over a matter that it has no control over and traditionally has not dealt with.  
And did a splendid job up until now without needing to deal with it.  You did pick the right word, confused, because that’s what is being done to these boys.  They are being confused and now the BSA joins in on allowing it to take place.

The Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church, as far as I know, doesn't proclaim it a sin to be homosexual, only being unchaste is sinful.  

Wrong.

The BSA states Scouts shouldn't be sexually active, but it doesn't inquire into boys' sexual activity either.  

 

Then this subject should never have come up, but it did.  I wonder why…

And yes, if your overweight your not suited for high adventure activities

Then change the activities.  Inclusion is the key, right?  Make them feel welcome and accepted.  Is it their fault they were born with a tendency to be heavy?

Being overweigt myself I don't meet BMI requiremes either.  Fat leaders had heart attacks in the back country.  Fat scouts were injuring themselves in the back country.  You know what costs alot and ruins everybody else's time?  Having to have fat injured people helicoptered out of the back country. They can still go to summer camp just not high adventure bases.

And they are the only ones, right?  No other injuries or medical concerns with skinny folks.  Marathon runners have heart attacks.  Marines get injured playing basketball.  It sounds like the BSA is making a practice of including only that which it wants, which is sort of the reason the homosexual activists began their attack in the first place.  Oh well, it all boils down to money I guess.  Very sad.
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« Reply #576 on: July 20, 2013, 09:29:55 PM »

You all realize allowing openly homosexual troops in the Scouts is the foot in the door for openly homosexual troop leaders and the same arguments will be made for their inclusion.  Of course not, right?  Slippery slope fallacy. Roll Eyes

Anyone who denies this is living with their head in the sand, IMO.  Of course it will happen.  And yes, Christians should be concerned.  The gay community, while not monolithic by any means, is represented by LGBT lobbying groups that are quite radicalized and often hold and promote views that are not only in opposition to Christianity but that seek to actively persecute it.  Be concerned, by all means


Be concerned, but do nothing.  Great strategy. 

Your shrill rhetoric is old and tired though and your penchant for bearing false witness against your brothers and sisters in Christ is not OK. 

You, of course, realize you will have to support what you just stated.
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« Reply #577 on: July 20, 2013, 10:18:16 PM »

No, I did not smoke crack. I just thought that if homosexuals were to be admitted then unpleasant things would happen, [...]Better not to be an Eagle Scout than to be exposed to people with strange sexual mores.
it's settled, then: you definitely dropped acid.

What are you afraid of? That you'll catch the gay bug or something?

I hear it's an airborne disease.  Watch out.  Pretty soon, you'll start thinking about men.
Sarcastic responses and personal attacks always help in a conversation (when you have nothing else to say).

Accusing someone of smoking crack and taking acid for their belief in a better Scouting organization is childish.
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« Reply #578 on: July 20, 2013, 10:19:46 PM »

No, I did not smoke crack. I just thought that if homosexuals were to be admitted then unpleasant things would happen, [...]Better not to be an Eagle Scout than to be exposed to people with strange sexual mores.
it's settled, then: you definitely dropped acid.

What are you afraid of? That you'll catch the gay bug or something?

I hear it's an airborne disease.  Watch out.  Pretty soon, you'll start thinking about men.
Sarcastic responses and personal attacks always help in a conversation (when you have nothing else to say).

Accusing someone of smoking crack and taking acid for their belief in a better Scouting organization is childish.
forgive me, Your Eminence

ilyazhito is the one you should be asking forgiveness from, not me.
Forgive me, Your Eminence, for asking forgiveness of the wrong person, Your Eminence.
A continuation of immature responses…should I be surprised?  Try to actually post with some thought.  Shock us all.
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« Reply #579 on: July 20, 2013, 10:21:49 PM »

No, I did not smoke crack. I just thought that if homosexuals were to be admitted then unpleasant things would happen, [...]Better not to be an Eagle Scout than to be exposed to people with strange sexual mores.
it's settled, then: you definitely dropped acid.

What are you afraid of? That you'll catch the gay bug or something?

I hear it's an airborne disease.  Watch out.  Pretty soon, you'll start thinking about men.
Sarcastic responses and personal attacks always help in a conversation (when you have nothing else to say).

Accusing someone of smoking crack and taking acid for their belief in a better Scouting organization is childish.
forgive me, Your Eminence

ilyazhito is the one you should be asking forgiveness from, not me.
Forgive me, Your Eminence, for asking forgiveness of the wrong person, Your Eminence.
A continuation of immature responses…should I be surprised?  Try to actually post with some thought.  Shock us all.
I will do my best.  But first, can I schedule a confession with you?
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« Reply #580 on: July 20, 2013, 10:22:43 PM »

No, I did not smoke crack. I just thought that if homosexuals were to be admitted then unpleasant things would happen, [...]Better not to be an Eagle Scout than to be exposed to people with strange sexual mores.
it's settled, then: you definitely dropped acid.

What are you afraid of? That you'll catch the gay bug or something?

I hear it's an airborne disease.  Watch out.  Pretty soon, you'll start thinking about men.
Sarcastic responses and personal attacks always help in a conversation (when you have nothing else to say).

Accusing someone of smoking crack and taking acid for their belief in a better Scouting organization is childish.
forgive me, Your Eminence

ilyazhito is the one you should be asking forgiveness from, not me.
Forgive me, Your Eminence, for asking forgiveness of the wrong person, Your Eminence.
A continuation of immature responses…should I be surprised?  Try to actually post with some thought.  Shock us all.
I will do my best.  But first, can I schedule a confession with you?

I'm not a priest, but I suppose you could visit one when you grow up and take it seriously.
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« Reply #581 on: July 20, 2013, 10:24:27 PM »

haha okay. Sounds good
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« Reply #582 on: July 20, 2013, 11:22:31 PM »

then I realized that Eagle Scout was not worth it if homosexuals would be admitted.
serious question: did you smoke crack right before you posted that?

I don't know what it took to post what he did, but I know I cracked up reading it.
Why is that?  Because you foolishly think its ok to be homosexual and don't believe in an organization which stands against homosexuality being openly accepted? 

O Clairvoyant one, you have the question as well as the answer. you have your clairvoyance to declare me foolish etc. I the foolish one got only the DSM-5. so you see we are incompatible to have a sensible conversation. so carry on....with the audience that's worthy of you.
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« Reply #583 on: July 21, 2013, 12:08:22 AM »

then I realized that Eagle Scout was not worth it if homosexuals would be admitted.
serious question: did you smoke crack right before you posted that?

I don't know what it took to post what he did, but I know I cracked up reading it.
Why is that?  Because you foolishly think its ok to be homosexual and don't believe in an organization which stands against homosexuality being openly accepted? 

O Clairvoyant one, you have the question as well as the answer. you have your clairvoyance to declare me foolish etc. I the foolish one got only the DSM-5. so you see we are incompatible to have a sensible conversation. so carry on....with the audience that's worthy of you.
Same response I gave to DeepRoots.  The same I would give to any juvenile reply.
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« Reply #584 on: July 21, 2013, 12:33:27 AM »

See the difference is one has to actually have done something to earn the other titles. A kid can state he is homosexual without actually having had sex.  

This is one of the mistakes people now make as a result of the massive confusion assault on society regarding sexual sins.  Your statement is absolutely incorrect.  A person actually does have to engage in homosexuality to be considered a homosexual, otherwise it’s just a tendency or temptation.  Again, apply your thought process to something else and see if it works.  For example:

Billy saw a candy bar he really wanted and was tempted to take it, but didn’t, which still makes him a thief.

Sally was really in love with her boyfriend and wanted to engage in fornication, but didn’t, which still makes her a fornicator.

Sam was approached by a woman in his office to have sex with her, even though he was attracted to her and tempted, he declined, which still makes him an adulterer.  

Doesn’t really work with anything else, unless that person obsesses over the temptation.  So, if you don’t engage in homosexuality, you aren’t really homosexual.  Let’s stop muddying the water here.  

Also, I still haven’t figured out how supposedly millions of preteen boys identify as homosexual all by themselves without outside influence.  Oh, that’s right, they don’t.


To clarify further, as people who struggle with a sinful nature, are we not taught to seek out our spiritual father and work through the problem together?  Are we not taught to pray for deliverance and the ability to overcome?  If a person suffers with anger, kleptomania, addiction to porn, etc., and is supposed to bear their cross and suffer through the trials, how is it, all of a sudden, ok to tell young people their homosexual urges are ok, normal, accepted, and lead them astray to a life filled with deviance and sin?  This is not Christian.  This shows a severe lack of love and compassion.  We should enable them to resist evil rather than accept its presence.  We would be enabling their wrongs, helping them to accept their sins rather than war against them.  We continue to make compromises and imagine it’s good when all we are doing is hurting the people we pretend to help.  Then when someone speaks the truth, they are attacked.  Have you ever seen the movie Idiocracy?  This is how I picture Christians when they concede to sin and ignore its effect on people.  The BSA has now become part of the problem, especially when they are prejudice in other areas.  There is no point in having a moral standard if you are not going to stand by it.
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