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« on: January 27, 2013, 12:05:46 AM »

Anyone familiar with this theologian? How orthodox was he? Thoughts on his writings?
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« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2013, 12:34:44 AM »

The beautiful hymn Veni Creator Spiritus is ascribed to him. One stanza clearly bears the mark of the Filioque:

    Per te sciamus da Patrem
    noscamus atque Filium,
    te utriusque Spiritum
    credamus omni tempore.


"Grant that through you we know the Father,
and also recognize the Son,
that we believe in you always,
the Spirit of them both."

According to the Ancrene Wisse (a 13th century English rule for anchoresses - female recluses), it was used very much like our Heavenly King troparion - to begin all prayer. 

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Hwen ye earst ariseth, blescith ow ant seggeth, In nomine Patris et Filii
et Spiritus sancti, Amen.
Ant biginneth anan, Veni, Creator Spiritus,
with up ahevene ehnen ant honden toward heovene, buhinde o cneon forth-
ward up-o the bedde, ant seggeth swa al the ymne ut with the verset, Emitte spiritum
tuum
, ant te ureisun, Deus, qui corda fidelium.

One needn't understand it heretically, though.

In the Sarum (English) rite, the priest would pray it every time after vesting for Mass. In the WRO version of the Sarum Mass that stanza is altered to read:

"The Father may we know through Thee,
And through Thee may we know the Son.
Thee, Spirit sent from the Father,
May we believe throughout all time."


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« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2013, 01:27:26 AM »

The beautiful hymn Veni Creator Spiritus is ascribed to him. One stanza clearly bears the mark of the Filioque:

    Per te sciamus da Patrem
    noscamus atque Filium,
    te utriusque Spiritum
    credamus omni tempore.


"Grant that through you we know the Father,
and also recognize the Son,
that we believe in you always,
the Spirit of them both."

According to the Ancrene Wisse (a 13th century English rule for anchoresses - female recluses), it was used very much like our Heavenly King troparion - to begin all prayer. 

Quote
Hwen ye earst ariseth, blescith ow ant seggeth, In nomine Patris et Filii
et Spiritus sancti, Amen.
Ant biginneth anan, Veni, Creator Spiritus,
with up ahevene ehnen ant honden toward heovene, buhinde o cneon forth-
ward up-o the bedde, ant seggeth swa al the ymne ut with the verset, Emitte spiritum
tuum
, ant te ureisun, Deus, qui corda fidelium.

One needn't understand it heretically, though.

In the Sarum (English) rite, the priest would pray it every time after vesting for Mass. In the WRO version of the Sarum Mass that stanza is altered to read:

"The Father may we know through Thee,
And through Thee may we know the Son.
Thee, Spirit sent from the Father,
May we believe throughout all time."




IIRC, the hymn predates filioque. Some have tried to label the Athanasian Creed as defective because of filioque, but it was a later addition.
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