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The Book of Common Prayer (Orthodox)
« on: January 22, 2013, 05:45:04 PM »
Having gone to Roman Catholic Churches with my babcia as a little kid, and attending Anglican Churches during my year long bout of apostasy, I have really come to love the Western Christian tradition, nearly as much as the Eastern.  Being back in the EOC, I was doing some reading about the Western Rite of the Orthodox Church, and am more than pleasantly surprised.  There are three WRO Churches in my state, one of which is only about an hour away from my house.


I will probably attend my beloved OCA parish until I die, but I would love to visit the WRO parish.

I see that they have their own prayer book.  I admit, I really liked the simple style of the Book of Common Prayer when I was attending the Anglican Church.  

Do any of you have thoughts about the Book of Common Prayer, an Orthodox version used in the Western Rite?
http://www.andrewespress.com/bcp.html
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Re: The Book of Common Prayer (Orthodox)
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2013, 05:53:08 PM »
Having gone to Roman Catholic Churches with my babcia as a little kid, and attending Anglican Churches during my year long bout of apostasy, I have really come to love the Western Christian tradition, nearly as much as the Eastern.  Being back in the EOC, I was doing some reading about the Western Rite of the Orthodox Church, and am more than pleasantly surprised.  There are three WRO Churches in my state, one of which is only about an hour away from my house.


I will probably attend my beloved OCA parish until I die, but I would love to visit the WRO parish.

I see that they have their own prayer book.  I admit, I really liked the simple style of the Book of Common Prayer when I was attending the Anglican Church.  

Do any of you have thoughts about the Book of Common Prayer, an Orthodox version used in the Western Rite?
http://www.andrewespress.com/bcp.html
Other than it is Orthodox, Western, and has a fantastic office for the Neo-Martyrs of Russia, no.

Btw, it's "the Orthodox Missal", not "the Book of Common Prayer."
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Re: The Book of Common Prayer (Orthodox)
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2013, 06:12:42 PM »
What do you mean by simple? Did you attend a low church parish? I've attended Anglican mass only once but IIRC it didn't seem like anyhow simple. It was somewhat high-ish church though which might explain lack of simplicity.

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Re: The Book of Common Prayer (Orthodox)
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2013, 06:14:00 PM »
What do you mean by simple? Did you attend a low church parish? I've attended Anglican mass only once but IIRC it didn't seem like anyhow simple. It was somewhat high-ish church though which might explain lack of simplicity.
It was high church, but I attended the Rite I services, which had no singing or anything, just bible readings, prayers, and communion.  It was extremely simple compared to the Orthodox DL I was used to.

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Re: The Book of Common Prayer (Orthodox)
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2013, 06:47:19 PM »
What do you mean by simple? Did you attend a low church parish? I've attended Anglican mass only once but IIRC it didn't seem like anyhow simple. It was somewhat high-ish church though which might explain lack of simplicity.
Did you attend in the US, or in Europe?
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Re: The Book of Common Prayer (Orthodox)
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2013, 06:57:23 PM »
Having gone to Roman Catholic Churches with my babcia as a little kid, and attending Anglican Churches during my year long bout of apostasy, I have really come to love the Western Christian tradition, nearly as much as the Eastern.  Being back in the EOC, I was doing some reading about the Western Rite of the Orthodox Church, and am more than pleasantly surprised.  There are three WRO Churches in my state, one of which is only about an hour away from my house.


I will probably attend my beloved OCA parish until I die, but I would love to visit the WRO parish.

I see that they have their own prayer book.  I admit, I really liked the simple style of the Book of Common Prayer when I was attending the Anglican Church.  

Do any of you have thoughts about the Book of Common Prayer, an Orthodox version used in the Western Rite?
http://www.andrewespress.com/bcp.html

As Isa said, it is indeed Orthodox and Western and has fantastic offices, and I might add, it is also beautiful, profound, and haunting. He also correctly stated that it isn't really "the Book of Common Prayer" (the liturgical/devotional expression approved for WRO, that is) so much as it is a Divine Liturgy that seeks to preserve as much of that traditional language, ritual, and otherwise peculiarly Anglo-Catholic tradition, as possible. It far exceeds anything within Anglican tradition. It should be seen more as a fulfillment and culmination of all the beautiful and unique aspects of Anglican patrimony, as opposed to a wholesale adoption of all-things-Anglican and slapping an Orthodox stamp of approval upon it, as some claim (although, historically, that wouldn't be an unacceptable thing either :)).

The actual BCP you've linked to is not an official Orthodox publication, but it was compiled and edited by an Orthodox priest and there is nothing un-Orthodox about it. My wife and I use it for our daily prayers and it's easily the best BCP yet published. Highly recommended.

You should go visit one of the WR parishes when you get a chance.
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Re: The Book of Common Prayer (Orthodox)
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2013, 11:25:42 PM »
Having gone to Roman Catholic Churches with my babcia as a little kid, and attending Anglican Churches during my year long bout of apostasy, I have really come to love the Western Christian tradition, nearly as much as the Eastern.  Being back in the EOC, I was doing some reading about the Western Rite of the Orthodox Church, and am more than pleasantly surprised.  There are three WRO Churches in my state, one of which is only about an hour away from my house.


I will probably attend my beloved OCA parish until I die, but I would love to visit the WRO parish.

I see that they have their own prayer book.  I admit, I really liked the simple style of the Book of Common Prayer when I was attending the Anglican Church.  

Do any of you have thoughts about the Book of Common Prayer, an Orthodox version used in the Western Rite?
http://www.andrewespress.com/bcp.html

I have the book that you have linked, as well as the notated Psalms from the same publisher.  The linked "Book of Common Prayer"  (it is NOT the Missal) is what I use for my weekday prayers.  I love it as it is in the language that I learned in my youth.  I also like that it includes the Psalms and that they are set out for daily reading rather than in the Kathisma of the Greek and Slavonic based books.  I used the 1662 Book of Common Prayer as my daily prayer book until I found this one, and I was overjoyed when I received the Orthodox version.
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Re: The Book of Common Prayer (Orthodox)
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2013, 03:38:10 AM »
What do you mean by simple? Did you attend a low church parish? I've attended Anglican mass only once but IIRC it didn't seem like anyhow simple. It was somewhat high-ish church though which might explain lack of simplicity.
Did you attend in the US, or in Europe?

Finland.

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« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2013, 08:15:57 AM »
What do you mean by simple? Did you attend a low church parish? I've attended Anglican mass only once but IIRC it didn't seem like anyhow simple. It was somewhat high-ish church though which might explain lack of simplicity.
Did you attend in the US, or in Europe?

Finland.
That would explain it.  The lowest church in Finland would seem quite high in the US.  Has to do with the frontier experience versus the effect of long term settled civilization in proximity, and its effect on religion (one of the reasons why the Anabaptists ended up here, and the "Evangelicals" in the tele-evangelist sense arose here).

When I was in Scandinavia, I had just left the Lutherans (raised in a low church but had attended by chance a higher church the last year in Lutheranism), and knew a lot of what I saw in the churches in Scandinavia would scandalize a lot of people back home as "being Catholic."
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Re: The Book of Common Prayer (Orthodox)
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2013, 09:21:39 AM »
When I was in Scandinavia, I had just left the Lutherans (raised in a low church but had attended by chance a higher church the last year in Lutheranism), and knew a lot of what I saw in the churches in Scandinavia would scandalize a lot of people back home as "being Catholic."

When I participated in a regular RC sunday mass in Helsinki for the first I remember thinking something like "This feels even more Protestant than the Lutheran masses do." That was quite a disappointment since I was eager to see and hear Latin, chanting, smells and bells.

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Re: The Book of Common Prayer (Orthodox)
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2013, 09:37:56 AM »
The Orthodox Missal is based on the Book of Common Prayer. However, the book that is being referred to, is here http://www.amazon.com/The-Book-Common-Prayer-Administration/dp/0977709353

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Re: The Book of Common Prayer (Orthodox)
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2013, 09:50:53 AM »
When I was in Scandinavia, I had just left the Lutherans (raised in a low church but had attended by chance a higher church the last year in Lutheranism), and knew a lot of what I saw in the churches in Scandinavia would scandalize a lot of people back home as "being Catholic."

When I participated in a regular RC sunday mass in Helsinki for the first I remember thinking something like "This feels even more Protestant than the Lutheran masses do." That was quite a disappointment since I was eager to see and hear Latin, chanting, smells and bells.

My one RC mass (in Romania) had much the same effect on me. I'd been brought up on my mother's anti-Catholicism only to find that the mass seemed almost exactly like a German Lutheran service or a middle of the road English Anglican one and certainly lower church than you'd find in an Anglo-Catholic parish up in Yorkshire. And to be honest the Church was plainer than than the Lutheran one in my mother's home town and the only thing that seemed to make it stand out as Catholic rather than Protestant was the stations of the cross.

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Re: The Book of Common Prayer (Orthodox)
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2013, 01:04:10 AM »
I wanted to update this thread.

Having seen in the flesh a copy of the "prayer book" that I first posted about in this thread, I found that I don't need a prayer book with a liturgy that isn't celebrated within an hour of my home taking up 1/2 the pages.

I've found this, and intend to purchase it soon.  It has beautiful western prayers, and is intended for "Orthodox Catholic Christians."  It's truly a prayerbook in the western style, as opposed to the other, which is one of those prayerbook/servicebooks.

http://www.andrewespress.com/ambrose.html

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Re: The Book of Common Prayer (Orthodox)
« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2013, 04:35:11 AM »
Wow, that looks good. :)
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Re: The Book of Common Prayer (Orthodox)
« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2013, 10:45:28 AM »
The St Ambrose Prayerbook is wonderful. It too has the liturgy not celebrated near you, plus another one :) I usually end up using both prayer books together. Enjoy!

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Re: The Book of Common Prayer (Orthodox)
« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2013, 10:20:18 AM »
I wanted to update this thread.

Having seen in the flesh a copy of the "prayer book" that I first posted about in this thread, I found that I don't need a prayer book with a liturgy that isn't celebrated within an hour of my home taking up 1/2 the pages.

I've found this, and intend to purchase it soon.  It has beautiful western prayers, and is intended for "Orthodox Catholic Christians."  It's truly a prayerbook in the western style, as opposed to the other, which is one of those prayerbook/servicebooks.

http://www.andrewespress.com/ambrose.html


I have the Orthodox Book of Common Prayer as well as the St. Ambrose Prayer Book. I definitely prefer the St. Ambrose; mainly because its very similar to older Catholic prayer books. I think the morning and evening prayers are wonderful and it also has meditations on the Rosary and the Stations of the Cross. It also has devotions of the Sacred Heart of Jesus, which I know many on this forum aren't ok with, but I love them. The Litany to the Sacred Heart is beautiful. Its a wonderful prayer to say when depressed, for me at least. I highly recommend the St. Ambrose Prayer Book.