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Re: Famous Orthodox Christian Apostates
« Reply #45 on: February 06, 2013, 01:41:23 PM »
Tesla.

Proof?

"For ages this idea [that each of us is only part of a whole] has been proclaimed in the consummately wise teachings of religion, probably not alone as a means of insuring peace and harmony among men, but as a deeply founded truth. The Buddhist expresses it in one way, the Christian in another, but both say the same: We are all one."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla#Religious_views
That's hardly the statement of an apostate. "We are all one" is true in various, perhaps metaphorical, ways: we all have the image and likeness of God within us, we are all made bodily of the same types of atoms, we all share a common destiny (how we respond to that destiny is another issue), etc.

This nonsense, on the other hand, is certainly anti-Christian:

"There is no conflict between the ideal of religion and the ideal of science, but science is opposed to theological dogmas because science is founded on fact. To me, the universe is simply a great machine which never came into being and never will end. The human being is no exception to the natural order. Man, like the universe, is a machine. Nothing enters our minds or determines our actions which is not directly or indirectly a response to stimuli beating upon our sense organs from without."
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Re: Famous Orthodox Christian Apostates
« Reply #46 on: September 22, 2016, 01:56:14 PM »
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Re: Famous Orthodox Christian Apostates
« Reply #47 on: September 22, 2016, 05:47:00 PM »
Queen Sofia of Spain, the daughter of former King Paul of Greece and sister of Ex-King Constantine II, was an Orthodox Christian prior to her marriage in the Roman Catholic Cathedral in Athens, Greece, in 1962, to Prince Juan Carlos, who later became King of Spain; Princess Sophia of Greece converted to Roman Catholicism for her marriage. 

Prince Phillip, Duke of Edinburgh, former Prince of Greece, consort of Great Britain's Queen Elizabeth II, converted from Eastern Orthodoxy to Anglicanism prior to his marriage.

To be fair, the formation of the Greek monarchy and its ostensible conversion to Orthodoxy was purely political in the first place. For all we know, the "Orthodox," "Catholic," or "Anglican" members of that royal house were privately Lutherans all along. (Or Satanists, if you'd rather.)
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Re: Famous Orthodox Christian Apostates
« Reply #48 on: September 22, 2016, 06:32:27 PM »
Queen Sofia of Spain, the daughter of former King Paul of Greece and sister of Ex-King Constantine II, was an Orthodox Christian prior to her marriage in the Roman Catholic Cathedral in Athens, Greece, in 1962, to Prince Juan Carlos, who later became King of Spain; Princess Sophia of Greece converted to Roman Catholicism for her marriage. 

Prince Phillip, Duke of Edinburgh, former Prince of Greece, consort of Great Britain's Queen Elizabeth II, converted from Eastern Orthodoxy to Anglicanism prior to his marriage.

To be fair, the formation of the Greek monarchy and its ostensible conversion to Orthodoxy was purely political in the first place. For all we know, the "Orthodox," "Catholic," or "Anglican" members of that royal house were privately Lutherans all along. (Or Satanists, if you'd rather.)
Hardly. The matriarch, Queen Olga Constantinovna, came from the Russian Imperial family, and was married partly because she was Orthodox. King George remained Lutheran, but their son Constantine I was raised in his mother's faith. On the birth of his heir, Queen Sophia Hohenzollern, over the objections of her brother Kaiser Wilhelm I and the entreaties of his pious Lutheran wife the Empress, sought to be catechized by Queen Olga (but at the insistence of the King George of the Hellenes, was instructed by Met. Germonos of Athens and primate of Greece instead) and received into the Church-for which her brother barred him from her homeland in Germany. The heir married the Orthodox Princess Elizabeth of Romania, and when they were deposed, the next son came with his Greek commoner Orthodox wife (whom he married over objections to her status). Then came the grand-niece of Queen Sophia, Frederica, who followed her example.
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Re: Famous Orthodox Christian Apostates
« Reply #49 on: September 22, 2016, 07:11:29 PM »
Queen Sofia of Spain, the daughter of former King Paul of Greece and sister of Ex-King Constantine II, was an Orthodox Christian prior to her marriage in the Roman Catholic Cathedral in Athens, Greece, in 1962, to Prince Juan Carlos, who later became King of Spain; Princess Sophia of Greece converted to Roman Catholicism for her marriage. 

Prince Phillip, Duke of Edinburgh, former Prince of Greece, consort of Great Britain's Queen Elizabeth II, converted from Eastern Orthodoxy to Anglicanism prior to his marriage.

To be fair, the formation of the Greek monarchy and its ostensible conversion to Orthodoxy was purely political in the first place. For all we know, the "Orthodox," "Catholic," or "Anglican" members of that royal house were privately Lutherans all along. (Or Satanists, if you'd rather.)
Hardly. The matriarch, Queen Olga Constantinovna, came from the Russian Imperial family, and was married partly because she was Orthodox. King George remained Lutheran, but their son Constantine I was raised in his mother's faith. On the birth of his heir, Queen Sophia Hohenzollern, over the objections of her brother Kaiser Wilhelm I and the entreaties of his pious Lutheran wife the Empress, sought to be catechized by Queen Olga (but at the insistence of the King George of the Hellenes, was instructed by Met. Germonos of Athens and primate of Greece instead) and received into the Church-for which her brother barred him from her homeland in Germany. The heir married the Orthodox Princess Elizabeth of Romania, and when they were deposed, the next son came with his Greek commoner Orthodox wife (whom he married over objections to her status). Then came the grand-niece of Queen Sophia, Frederica, who followed her example.

As for Philip, his mother became an Orthodox nun and founded an order in Greece, and insisted on being buried next to her aunt, Grandduchess St. Elizabeth, her godmother, instead of in Windsor Castle. She converted to Orthodoxy, after over 20 years of marriage, when Prince Philip was 7, while in exile.
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Re: Famous Orthodox Christian Apostates
« Reply #50 on: September 22, 2016, 11:13:10 PM »
The last two presidents of Brazil are Roman Catholics with Orthodox parents. But I doubt Temer was ever baptised Orthodox and I'm sure Dilma wasn't.

We may count a big part of the Communist leaders of the USSR, too. Except the Old Bolsheviks, these were massively Jewish.
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Re: Famous Orthodox Christian Apostates
« Reply #51 on: September 22, 2016, 11:16:17 PM »
There's gotta be an Orthodox person from the past century or so who left it for another faith (not denomination) or for atheism, no?
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Re: Famous Orthodox Christian Apostates
« Reply #52 on: September 23, 2016, 03:23:01 AM »
condemning apostates isn't going to get one to heaven.

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Re: Famous Orthodox Christian Apostates
« Reply #53 on: October 02, 2016, 12:14:12 PM »
Vlad the Impaler deserted Orthodoxy for Catholicism in an attempt to gain favour with the Pope and Western monarchs for his wars against the Ottomans.

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Re: Famous Orthodox Christian Apostates
« Reply #54 on: October 02, 2016, 01:28:06 PM »
There's gotta be an Orthodox person from the past century or so who left it for another faith (not denomination) or for atheism, no?

Andrey Markov in 1912 (just a little bit over a century). Markov, of Markov chain fame, was an atheist. He basically said, "Excommunicate me please" to the Russian church, and they did.
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Re: Famous Orthodox Christian Apostates
« Reply #55 on: October 02, 2016, 05:28:00 PM »
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Agreed on Tesla, son of an Orthodox priest.  Though he changed the world as we know it, slept only a few hours every night, walked miles a day, never married.  Very unusual brilliant man.  Have thought recently that if everyone followed the church prescription for either monastic or married life we might never accomplish anything we are set out to do. 

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Re: Famous Orthodox Christian Apostates
« Reply #56 on: October 02, 2016, 10:43:21 PM »
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Agreed on Tesla, son of an Orthodox priest.  Though he changed the world as we know it, slept only a few hours every night, walked miles a day, never married.  Very unusual brilliant man.  Have thought recently that if everyone followed the church prescription for either monastic or married life we might never accomplish anything we are set out to do. 

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Re: Famous Orthodox Christian Apostates
« Reply #57 on: October 02, 2016, 10:45:37 PM »
Savitri Devi apparently was christened Greek Orthodox but ended up becoming an esoteric neo-Nazi Hindu.
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Re: Famous Orthodox Christian Apostates
« Reply #58 on: October 02, 2016, 11:55:55 PM »
Savitri Devi apparently was christened Greek Orthodox but ended up becoming an esoteric neo-Nazi Hindu.

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Re: Famous Orthodox Christian Apostates
« Reply #59 on: October 03, 2016, 12:30:32 AM »
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Re: Famous Orthodox Christian Apostates
« Reply #60 on: October 03, 2016, 08:33:19 AM »
I didn't know Savitri was Greek, I actually planned to read one of her books to know what on Earth she was talking about. The Chilean author Miguel Serrano refers to her a lot. It's worth mentioning Serrano believed Hitler was literally Kalki, the Hindu avatara of Vishnu, and he quoted Savitri extensively to "prove" his point. It's like blue-eyed Rastafarianism...
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Re: Famous Orthodox Christian Apostates
« Reply #61 on: October 03, 2016, 08:34:43 AM »
The last two presidents of Brazil are Roman Catholics with Orthodox parents. But I doubt Temer was ever baptised Orthodox and I'm sure Dilma wasn't.

We may count a big part of the Communist leaders of the USSR, too. Except the Old Bolsheviks, these were massively Jewish.

I thought Roussef's parents were secular jewish and Michel Temer family was maronite, not orthodox.

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Re: Famous Orthodox Christian Apostates
« Reply #62 on: October 03, 2016, 08:37:10 AM »
I thought Roussef's parents were secular jewish and Michel Temer family was maronite, not orthodox.
Rousseff's mother was Brazilian, while although there are some people who say her father was Jewish, I searched extensively about it two years ago and found it should be a myth. Temer's parents came from an Orthodox village, with a priest and a bishop in their family, but they became Maronite here, probably influenced by the specific Arabic community they found themselves in.
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