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These findings-from a survey conducted after last summer’s mass shooting at a Colorado movie theater but before the Newtown shooting-expose an intriguing rift between Catholics and white evangelical Protestants, religious groups for whom a “pro-life” ethos is central....Catholics are far more likely to connect their “pro-life” identity with gun control issues. This divide is embedded in three fundamental differences between Catholics and white evangelical Protestants: divergent native strains of “pro-life” theology, contrasting cultural contexts, and conflicting approaches to social problems. The idea of gun control as a “pro-life” issue is a more natural one for Catholics, thanks to a history of extending the concept’s reach from abortion to a variety of issues, such as the death penalty, euthanasia, economic policies that threaten the livelihood of the poor, and gun violence. .... Among white evangelical Protestants, by contrast, “pro-life” theology has no parallel history of flourishing over such wide terrain....Referring to gun control as a “pro-life” issue sounds much less natural to evangelical ears. |
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« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2013, 11:23:28 AM » |
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I think that has a lot to do with the fact that liberal Catholic bishops and nuns have watered down the Church's antiabortion teaching so it has to always be tied in with their agendas, and have been catechizing (indoctrinating) the faithful in this "seamless garment " idea for generations.
Personally I don't see any contradiction in being opposed to abortion and owning a gun for self defense.
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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2013, 12:13:16 PM » |
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Like theistgal, I think that this is political.
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« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2013, 11:49:41 PM » |
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economic policies that threaten the livelihood of the poor, I've read the CCC (I admit, it's been a while) and I don't remember this being tied into killing, but more along the lines of stealing? (I could be wrong, please correct me if I am.) |
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« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2013, 04:30:29 AM » |
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I tend to lean with Clint Eastwood on guns and gun control.
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« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2013, 08:27:01 AM » |
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Liberals: "killing young people - good, killing adults - bad".
Conservatives: "killing young people - bad, killing adults - good".
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« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2013, 08:31:32 AM » |
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Let us be cautious as this is not the politics forum.
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« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2013, 11:49:14 AM » |
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VATICAN CITY — The Vatican praised President Barack Obama’s proposals for curbing gun violence, saying they are a “step in a right direction.” The Vatican’s chief spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi, said Saturday that 47 religious leaders have appealed to members of the U.S. Congress “to limit firearms that are making society pay an unacceptable price in terms of massacres and senseless deaths.” “I am with them,” Lombardi said, in an editorial carried on Vatican Radio, lining up the Vatican’s moral support in favor of firearm limits. |
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« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2013, 11:57:35 AM » |
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Michal, unfair; I'm a conservative and I don't think killing adults is "good". Which is why I support the right to self-defense: if someone wants to take MY life, I have a right to try and prevent that.
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« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2013, 01:22:46 PM » |
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Liberals: "killing young people - good, killing adults - bad".
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« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2013, 01:25:14 PM » |
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Liberals: "killing young people - good, killing adults - bad".
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Care to explain this one? I take it as a reference to abortion. Right? |
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« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2013, 01:33:08 PM » |
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Liberals: "killing young people - good, killing adults - bad".
Conservatives: "killing young people - bad, killing adults - good".
Care to explain this one? I take it as a reference to abortion. Right? Right. I find both attitudes senseless. |
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Liberals: "killing young people - good, killing adults - bad".
Conservatives: "killing young people - bad, killing adults - good".
Care to explain this one? I take it as a reference to abortion. Right? Right. I find both attitudes senseless. Oh, okay. I thought you were referring to young people, like those killed at the Newton school shooting or Columbine high school. I was going to say... |
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« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2013, 08:56:42 PM » |
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Liberals: "killing young people - good, killing adults - bad".
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