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« on: January 17, 2013, 12:55:20 PM »

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PARIS, January 16, 2013 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The Conference of the Bishops of France (CEF) is making a mistake in endorsing an improved "Pact of Civil Solidarity" for homosexuals as an alternative to instituting homosexual 'marriage', in contradiction to Catholic teaching, warns the French pro-family association Avenir de la Future (Future of the Culture).

The organization of faithful Catholics are reacting to a document published recently by the Bishops' Conference's Family and Society Committee, which says homosexual relationships could be given a strengthened legal recognition, while not going so far as to equate such unions with marriage.

For those who can read French, the document from the bishops is here.
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« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2013, 01:33:57 PM »

Are they suggesting that such a thing could/should be blessed by the Church?
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« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2013, 01:39:57 PM »

Are they suggesting that such a thing could/should be blessed by the Church?
I think they're just saying that such unions should be legally recognized, and such legal recognition need not be resisted by the Church.
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« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2013, 04:30:44 PM »

Are they suggesting that such a thing could/should be blessed by the Church?
I think they're just saying that such unions should be legally recognized, and such legal recognition need not be resisted by the Church.
So wading into the cesspool need not be so bad if you stop when it reaches your chin, eh?
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« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2013, 06:42:06 PM »

Are they suggesting that such a thing could/should be blessed by the Church?
I think they're just saying that such unions should be legally recognized, and such legal recognition need not be resisted by the Church.
So wading into the cesspool need not be so bad if you stop when it reaches your chin, eh?

No. Just accepting the fact that if state does something it doesn't need to affect the Church.
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« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2013, 06:25:58 PM »

For those who can't read French (or don't read it, for political/philosophical/gastroenterological reasons), an English translation is here.
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« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2013, 06:30:28 PM »

Oh look! Another thread about sex and sexuality!
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« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2013, 06:51:21 PM »

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PARIS, January 16, 2013 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The Conference of the Bishops of France (CEF) is making a mistake in endorsing an improved "Pact of Civil Solidarity" for homosexuals as an alternative to instituting homosexual 'marriage', in contradiction to Catholic teaching, warns the French pro-family association Avenir de la Future (Future of the Culture).

The organization of faithful Catholics are reacting to a document published recently by the Bishops' Conference's Family and Society Committee, which says homosexual relationships could be given a strengthened legal recognition, while not going so far as to equate such unions with marriage.

For those who can read French, the document from the bishops is here.
Or, perhaps, the French bishops are a bit more grown up that the American ones, and realize the clergy cannot even  pretend any longer they  set the standard for human behavior. Mon Dieu,  I think that happened there over 200 years ago. Time for some bloggers and other internet gurus to learn that too.
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« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2013, 06:52:32 PM »

Got,  I think that happened there over 200 years ago. Time for some bloggers and other internet [message board] gurus to learn that too.
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« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2013, 06:52:48 PM »

And btw, the Orthodox bishops of France also endorse same sex unions; they only oppose calling them marriages.
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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2013, 10:09:38 PM »

Oh look! Another thread about sex and sexuality!

Although there are a glorious several dozen pages of 99 bottles of beer on the wall!  Let us not forget those days! 
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« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2013, 07:36:48 AM »

Oh look! Another thread about sex and sexuality!
Well, this is about French bishops.
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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2013, 07:39:45 AM »

Are they suggesting that such a thing could/should be blessed by the Church?
I think they're just saying that such unions should be legally recognized, and such legal recognition need not be resisted by the Church.
So wading into the cesspool need not be so bad if you stop when it reaches your chin, eh?

No. Just accepting the fact that if state does something it doesn't need to affect the Church.
The problem is, it always does affect the Church.
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« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2013, 07:40:56 AM »

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PARIS, January 16, 2013 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The Conference of the Bishops of France (CEF) is making a mistake in endorsing an improved "Pact of Civil Solidarity" for homosexuals as an alternative to instituting homosexual 'marriage', in contradiction to Catholic teaching, warns the French pro-family association Avenir de la Future (Future of the Culture).

The organization of faithful Catholics are reacting to a document published recently by the Bishops' Conference's Family and Society Committee, which says homosexual relationships could be given a strengthened legal recognition, while not going so far as to equate such unions with marriage.

For those who can read French, the document from the bishops is here.
Or, perhaps, the French bishops are a bit more grown up that the American ones, and realize the clergy cannot even  pretend any longer they  set the standard for human behavior. Mon Dieu,  I think that happened there over 200 years ago. Time for some bloggers and other internet gurus to learn that too.
Agree with me or be called immature...how is that working out for you?
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« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2013, 07:41:51 AM »

Are they suggesting that such a thing could/should be blessed by the Church?
I think they're just saying that such unions should be legally recognized, and such legal recognition need not be resisted by the Church.
So wading into the cesspool need not be so bad if you stop when it reaches your chin, eh?

No. Just accepting the fact that if state does something it doesn't need to affect the Church.
The problem is, it always does affect the Church.
In what particular way does it affect the Church's own work?
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« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2013, 07:45:44 AM »

Are they suggesting that such a thing could/should be blessed by the Church?
I think they're just saying that such unions should be legally recognized, and such legal recognition need not be resisted by the Church.
So wading into the cesspool need not be so bad if you stop when it reaches your chin, eh?

No. Just accepting the fact that if state does something it doesn't need to affect the Church.
The problem is, it always does affect the Church.
In what particular way does it affect the Church's own work?
I present to you all of the political nightmares Christianity is struggling against in the US.  The state, when allowed to dictate, influences the Church, good or bad, when the Church is not allowed to do the very same thing in return.

I.e., must provide birth control, must allow things taking place inside church walls it doesn't want, etc.
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« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2013, 09:21:40 AM »

Are they suggesting that such a thing could/should be blessed by the Church?
I think they're just saying that such unions should be legally recognized, and such legal recognition need not be resisted by the Church.
So wading into the cesspool need not be so bad if you stop when it reaches your chin, eh?

No. Just accepting the fact that if state does something it doesn't need to affect the Church.
The problem is, it always does affect the Church.
In what particular way does it affect the Church's own work?

While I too groan at yet another sex or sexuality thread there is room for caution. In Europe it is quite common for those who want to push the boundaries to then use European equality laws, if necessary going all the way to The European Court. History suggests simple acceptance today of an innocuous proposal may in time result in consequences beyond the original proposal or in contravention of assurances previously given.

It is perhaps worth contemplating what is driving these social changes, and I suggest this is a Marxist agenda intent on dismantling or replacing current belief systems, institutions and social values. Not that campaigning for these changes are Marxists but, perhaps, might be what Lenin cynically called 'useful fools'.
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« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2013, 06:53:37 PM »

Maybe the pope should use som o dat papal authority against them.
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« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2013, 06:58:25 PM »

It is perhaps worth contemplating what is driving these social changes, and I suggest this is a Marxist agenda intent on dismantling or replacing current belief systems, institutions and social values. Not that campaigning for these changes are Marxists but, perhaps, might be what Lenin cynically called 'useful fools'.
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« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2013, 05:03:38 AM »

 We all know that apart from the Orthodox Church it is only the Catholic Church that does not ignore some obvious instructions of The Bible, so it comes in sad mind to see a Catholic Bishop endorsing homosexuality by negotiating its acceptance in intent to suppress the growth of it. I remember the Pope saying that the modern society is affected by relativity and it shouldn't be so at-least in the Church, so if the Pope knows that the  Church stance should not be changed or affected by modern society then I really don't know whether this Bishop is under the Papal Authority...
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« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2013, 07:57:49 AM »

There is a history of French RC bishops acting independently or even contrary to Papal policy.
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« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2013, 11:11:49 PM »

There is a history of French RC bishops acting independently or even contrary to Papal policy.
That's not always a bad thing.......

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« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2013, 07:07:27 AM »

There is a history of French RC bishops acting independently or even contrary to Papal policy.
That's not always a bad thing.......


Only when it's in agreement with the Eastern Orthodox Church.
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« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2013, 09:15:41 PM »

The Vatican (sort of) supports the French Catholic bishops:

"VATICAN CITY (RNS) A high-ranking Vatican official on Monday (Feb. 4) voiced support for giving unmarried couples some kind of legal protection even as he reaffirmed the Catholic Church’s opposition to same-sex marriage.

Archbishop Vincenzo Paglia, head of the Pontifical Council for the Family, also said the church should do more to protect gays and lesbians from discrimination in countries where homosexuality is illegal.
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Paglia suggested that nations could find “private law solutions” to help individuals who live in non-matrimonial relations, “to prevent injustice and make their life easier.”"
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« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2013, 12:08:50 AM »

It actually surprises me that form or secular and little countries msuch as France in the UK Would have much stronger opposition to get a marriage then some of the other more old fashioned natsuch a Spain and Portugal.  Those nations seem to have rolled over and accepted the gay marriage without much resistance
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