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Anyway you sound like you are in a conflict with yourself.You say you are not fully convinced and that you have doubts yet you force yourself down your throat with this.
At times I feel like that, at times I don't. Good medicine can taste bitter. If in the end it works, it's worth it to endure the bitterness. There's the old man of the flesh and there's the new man of the spirit. The Christian is supposed to be in a constant struggle with himself, with the world and the adversary. That doesn't exclude joy, peace and serenity - one can actually experience conflicting emotions at the same time, albeit on different levels. For we know that the law is spiritual; but I am of the flesh, sold into slavery under sin. I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. Now if I do what I do not want, I agree that the law is good. But in fact it is no longer I that do it, but sin that dwells within me. For I know that nothing good dwells within me, that is, in my flesh. I can will what is right, but I cannot do it. For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I do. Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I that do it, but sin that dwells within me. So I find it to be a law that when I want to do what is good, evil lies close at hand. For I delight in the law of God in my inmost self, but I see in my members another law at war with the law of my mind, making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. Wretched man that I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with my mind I am a slave to the law of God, but with my flesh I am a slave to the law of sin. Romans 7:14- 24 Than you are lying to yourself and living a dead religion. Are you sure, you're orthodox? yes.what kind of question is that? are you an orthodox? |
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« Reply #136 on: January 18, 2013, 05:13:29 AM » |
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Anyway you sound like you are in a conflict with yourself.You say you are not fully convinced and that you have doubts yet you force yourself down your throat with this.
At times I feel like that, at times I don't. Good medicine can taste bitter. If in the end it works, it's worth it to endure the bitterness. There's the old man of the flesh and there's the new man of the spirit. The Christian is supposed to be in a constant struggle with himself, with the world and the adversary. That doesn't exclude joy, peace and serenity - one can actually experience conflicting emotions at the same time, albeit on different levels. For we know that the law is spiritual; but I am of the flesh, sold into slavery under sin. I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. Now if I do what I do not want, I agree that the law is good. But in fact it is no longer I that do it, but sin that dwells within me. For I know that nothing good dwells within me, that is, in my flesh. I can will what is right, but I cannot do it. For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I do. Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I that do it, but sin that dwells within me. So I find it to be a law that when I want to do what is good, evil lies close at hand. For I delight in the law of God in my inmost self, but I see in my members another law at war with the law of my mind, making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. Wretched man that I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with my mind I am a slave to the law of God, but with my flesh I am a slave to the law of sin. Romans 7:14- 24 Than you are lying to yourself and living a dead religion. Are you sure, you're orthodox? yes.what kind of question is that? are you an orthodox? I am merely asking because you seem to have some significant objections or at least doubts about Orthodox dogma. I am not saying thataren't orthodox, I am simply clarifying. I'm sorry if it sounded different to you. |
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« Reply #137 on: January 18, 2013, 06:03:14 AM » |
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Anyway you sound like you are in a conflict with yourself.You say you are not fully convinced and that you have doubts yet you force yourself down your throat with this.
At times I feel like that, at times I don't. Good medicine can taste bitter. If in the end it works, it's worth it to endure the bitterness. There's the old man of the flesh and there's the new man of the spirit. The Christian is supposed to be in a constant struggle with himself, with the world and the adversary. That doesn't exclude joy, peace and serenity - one can actually experience conflicting emotions at the same time, albeit on different levels. For we know that the law is spiritual; but I am of the flesh, sold into slavery under sin. I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. Now if I do what I do not want, I agree that the law is good. But in fact it is no longer I that do it, but sin that dwells within me. For I know that nothing good dwells within me, that is, in my flesh. I can will what is right, but I cannot do it. For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I do. Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I that do it, but sin that dwells within me. So I find it to be a law that when I want to do what is good, evil lies close at hand. For I delight in the law of God in my inmost self, but I see in my members another law at war with the law of my mind, making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. Wretched man that I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with my mind I am a slave to the law of God, but with my flesh I am a slave to the law of sin. Romans 7:14- 24 Than you are lying to yourself and living a dead religion. Are you sure, you're orthodox? yes.what kind of question is that? are you an orthodox? I am merely asking because you seem to have some significant objections or at least doubts about Orthodox dogma. I am not saying thataren't orthodox, I am simply clarifying. I'm sorry if it sounded different to you. No one is perfect. |
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« Reply #138 on: January 18, 2013, 09:35:34 AM » |
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Than you are lying to yourself and living a dead religion.
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« Reply #139 on: January 18, 2013, 11:50:11 AM » |
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eople you can trust, like who, even the church fathers had errors.
The ecumenical counsils, for example. ok but they are not people.and my next question would be which ones.there are a few "thief councils". Just out of curiosity, at what point does a group of people (like a council) cease to be "people"? This is grammar math I like. Five people are in a room, one leaves. Then there are four people in a room, one leaves. Then there are three people in a room, one leaves. Then there are two people in a room, one leaves. Then there is one people in a room, one leaves. Then there are no people in the room. |
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« Reply #140 on: January 18, 2013, 11:51:57 AM » |
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No one is perfect.
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« Reply #141 on: January 18, 2013, 11:52:57 AM » |
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Why is it that I don't see any Orthodox claim to be Spirit filled and guided by the Holy Spirit or anything in Orthodoxy for that matter?
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« Reply #142 on: January 18, 2013, 11:58:34 AM » |
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The TOS for following Christ are as they are. Those who don't like them go find a better bargain.
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« Reply #143 on: January 18, 2013, 04:21:26 PM » |
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The TOS for following Christ are as they are. Those who don't like them go find a better bargain.
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« Reply #144 on: January 18, 2013, 04:31:24 PM » |
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No one is perfect.
Actually three persons have been perfect, well at least if you are Orthodox. Are *you* Orthodox? |
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« Reply #145 on: January 18, 2013, 04:36:52 PM » |
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No one is perfect.
Actually three persons have been perfect, well at least if you are Orthodox. Are *you* Orthodox? Am I wrong? The is the salient point here not my biography, although I do wax quite often about myself. |
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« Reply #146 on: January 18, 2013, 04:38:59 PM » |
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The TOS for following Christ are as they are. Those who don't like them go find a better bargain.
Really? ToS? I don't like how you are pushing back. Buy hey you gotta follow those Christianity rules before using Christ as a service. |
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« Reply #147 on: January 18, 2013, 04:49:31 PM » |
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No one is perfect.
Actually three persons have been perfect, well at least if you are Orthodox. Are *you* Orthodox? Am I wrong? The is the salient point here not my biography, although I do wax quite often about myself. Does that mean you are Orthodox, or that you are not? Why is that so difficult? Salient point?  When has sticking with the salient point ever bothered anyone, or you? No, you're not wrong. But....are you Orthodox? |
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« Reply #148 on: January 18, 2013, 07:28:02 PM » |
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The TOS for following Christ are as they are. Those who don't like them go find a better bargain.
Really? ToS? Christianity is just an ancient scheme for selling your personal data to spiritual advertisers. Then why are you a christian? |
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The TOS for following Christ are as they are. Those who don't like them go find a better bargain.
Really? ToS? Christianity is just an ancient scheme for selling your personal data to spiritual advertisers. Then why are you a christian? Have you and Sarcasm been introduced? |
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Not to be flippantly dismissive, but something of such a personal nature as this is best addressed by your priest, not by anonymous yahoos on an Internet discussion forum.
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« Reply #150 on: January 18, 2013, 07:41:07 PM » |
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The TOS for following Christ are as they are. Those who don't like them go find a better bargain.
Really? ToS? Christianity is just an ancient scheme for selling your personal data to spiritual advertisers. Then why are you a christian? Have you and Sarcasm been introduced? I AM HE |
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« Reply #151 on: January 19, 2013, 03:32:56 PM » |
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The TOS for following Christ are as they are. Those who don't like them go find a better bargain.
Really? ToS? Christianity is just an ancient scheme for selling your personal data to spiritual advertisers. Then why are you a christian? Have you and Sarcasm been introduced? I AM HE But do you know yourself? |
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« Reply #152 on: January 19, 2013, 05:39:13 PM » |
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The christian God is a feeling.
Admittedly blind post beyond this, but the Christian God is not a feeling but a personal and omnipotent deity. Feelings did not create the world, feelings did not create all of the miracles that have occurred both in scripture and since it's compilation, feelings did not make a virgin pregnant, nor did they die on the cross for our salvation. Feelings can lie, but a structured world that supercedes feelings exists. God is bigger and more than our feelings. And upon further reading, it has always been my understanding that when we say God is love, we mean that He embodies what love is, not that love necessarily equals God. Real love should also be more than an emotion. Patience, kindness, not seeking our own, etc. (from 1 Cor. 13) these are not mere emotions but have actions that show them. |
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« Reply #153 on: January 19, 2013, 08:16:05 PM » |
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The TOS for following Christ are as they are. Those who don't like them go find a better bargain.
Really? ToS? What is there to know besides the fact that I am Sarcasm? Christianity is just an ancient scheme for selling your personal data to spiritual advertisers. Then why are you a christian? Have you and Sarcasm been introduced? I AM HE But do you know yourself? |
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« Reply #154 on: January 23, 2013, 01:00:58 PM » |
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I don't understand why somebody thinks that you can't have a personal relationship with God and still be orthodox. We have thousands of people who have had a personal relationship with God. We don't need to turn all charismatic to do that.
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« Reply #155 on: January 23, 2013, 01:03:46 PM » |
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I don't understand why somebody thinks that you can't have a personal relationship with God and still be orthodox. We have thousands of people who have had a personal relationship with God. We don't need to turn all charismatic to do that.
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« Reply #156 on: January 23, 2013, 01:08:08 PM » |
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I don't understand why somebody thinks that you can't have a personal relationship with God and still be orthodox. We have thousands of people who have had a personal relationship with God. We don't need to turn all charismatic to do that.
can you name some? St Silouan the athonite, St Anthony the Great, St John of Kronstadt, St Xenia of Moscow etc. |
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« Reply #157 on: January 23, 2013, 01:21:07 PM » |
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I don't understand why somebody thinks that you can't have a personal relationship with God and still be orthodox. We have thousands of people who have had a personal relationship with God. We don't need to turn all charismatic to do that.
can you name some? What is "personal relation with God". You meet Him in a pub and have some beers together or what? |
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I don't understand why somebody thinks that you can't have a personal relationship with God and still be orthodox. We have thousands of people who have had a personal relationship with God. We don't need to turn all charismatic to do that.
can you name some? What is "personal relation with God". You meet Him in a pub and have some beers together or what? Well....it's like this...first you exchange cell-phone numbers, *then* you make the pub date.  |
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I don't understand why somebody thinks that you can't have a personal relationship with God and still be orthodox. We have thousands of people who have had a personal relationship with God. We don't need to turn all charismatic to do that.
can you name some? What is "personal relation with God". You meet Him in a pub and have some beers together or what? Well....it's like this...first you exchange cell-phone numbers, *then* you make the pub date. At least He can always be the designated driver... |
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I don't understand why somebody thinks that you can't have a personal relationship with God and still be orthodox. We have thousands of people who have had a personal relationship with God. We don't need to turn all charismatic to do that.
can you name some? What is "personal relation with God". You meet Him in a pub and have some beers together or what? Well....it's like this...first you exchange cell-phone numbers, *then* you make the pub date. At least He can always be the designated driver... Only if we let Him  . |
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