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ORTHODOXY IN DIXIE
« on: January 15, 2013, 01:14:51 AM »
I'd never seen this, and I haven't seen anyone post it 'round here, so I hope you all enjoy.

The trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyhvJRrkXt8

The full movie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb6ZLx0qPNY

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Re: ORTHODOXY IN DIXIE
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2013, 01:19:26 AM »
In a land dominated by Protestantism
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« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2013, 01:20:06 AM »
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Re: ORTHODOXY IN DIXIE
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2013, 01:20:41 AM »
Next time I think "Eew, southern people." I'll remember this.  :laugh:

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Re: ORTHODOXY IN DIXIE
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2013, 01:27:47 AM »
If this film did not exist, it would be necessary to invent it.
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Re: ORTHODOXY IN DIXIE
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2013, 01:30:17 AM »
Orthodox Christians in the South? That's impossible.
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Re: ORTHODOXY IN DIXIE
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2013, 01:44:05 AM »
If this film did not exist, it would be necessary to invent it.
I must say, it definitely changes my previous conceptions of the Southern US.

As an American whose ancestors fought for the confederacy, this documentary makes me proud of my roots and my faith. :)
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Re: ORTHODOXY IN DIXIE
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2013, 02:04:21 AM »
If this film did not exist, it would be necessary to invent it.
I must say, it definitely changes my previous conceptions of the Southern US.

As an American whose ancestors fought for the confederacy, this documentary makes me proud of my roots and my faith. :)
I can take you places that will reaffirm your previous conceptions, if you wish.

Don't get me wrong, I love the South because she is my mother, but she is a whore.
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Re: ORTHODOXY IN DIXIE
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2013, 07:27:16 AM »
I'd never seen this, and I haven't seen anyone post it 'round here, so I hope you all enjoy.

The trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyhvJRrkXt8

The full movie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb6ZLx0qPNY

Correction: I hope Y'ALL enjoy.
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Re: ORTHODOXY IN DIXIE
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2013, 10:24:15 AM »
Orthodox Christians in the South? That's impossible.


Ahem....
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Re: ORTHODOXY IN DIXIE
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2013, 10:25:48 AM »
I'd never seen this, and I haven't seen anyone post it 'round here, so I hope you all enjoy.

The trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyhvJRrkXt8

The full movie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb6ZLx0qPNY

Correction: I hope Y'ALL enjoy.
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Re: ORTHODOXY IN DIXIE
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2013, 11:29:59 AM »
Orthodox Christians in the South? That's impossible.


Ahem....

The first Orthodox church in the Americas was in New Orleans, after all.

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« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2013, 11:31:33 AM »
I watched it a few days ago. I actually seriously enjoyed it.  Great to see.  

See, we arent all ignorant, non-cultured racists down here!!

Theres a ton of Orthodox churches in the metro Atlanta area where I am!

I love the part where hes says "People see the white robes and think 'Oh no! is this the KKK again??' Then they find out its just the Orthodox celebrating Holy Pascha!"
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Re: ORTHODOXY IN DIXIE
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2013, 11:32:20 AM »
I watched it a few days ago. I actually seriously enjoyed it.  Great to see.  

See, we arent all ignorant, non-cultured racists down here!!

Theres a ton of Orthodox churches in the metro Atlanta area where I am!

I love the part where hes says "People see the white robes and think 'Oh no! is this the KKK again??' Then they find out its just the Orthodox celebrating Holy Pascha!"
I also enjoyed it very much!  Yay Orthodoxy!  :)

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« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2013, 01:51:40 PM »
I tried watching this last night, gave up after five minutes. As a Southerner, I am so. very. tired. of winking references to the Civil War with every mention of the region.

I will try again, I suppose.
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Re: ORTHODOXY IN DIXIE
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2013, 07:10:31 PM »
The title piqued my interest but South Carolina ain't all of Dixie. I was hoping for something more encompassing.
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Re: ORTHODOXY IN DIXIE
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2013, 11:09:51 PM »
The title piqued my interest but South Carolina ain't all of Dixie.
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Re: ORTHODOXY IN DIXIE
« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2013, 01:38:26 AM »
The first Orthodox churches in America were not in New Orleans, they were the ones the Vikings (then in communion with Orthodoxy) built when they were briefly expanding out this way. There is some evidence a bishop was sent.

Of course, none of this Viking Orthodox work lasted. But then, is that Greek church in New Orleans, the very same one, still in active use?

So the point is, don't forget the first Orthodox in America were Western Rite Orthodox from Scandinavia in the tenth century or so.

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« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2013, 02:44:15 AM »

Of course, none of this Viking Orthodox work lasted. But then, is that Greek church in New Orleans, the very same one, still in active use?

The congregation is still active, though its location has moved from the original site, if that's what you're asking. There's this story floating around the Internet that Katrina killed the parish (I've seen this in a couple of different places), but I have been there in the last year. A nice lady even let some friends and me into the church just because they wanted to see it.
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« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2013, 04:19:22 PM »
I don't know if I'll ever make it past those little girls wearing those outrageous head-covers. My goodness. i

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« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2013, 04:38:02 PM »
I don't know if I'll ever make it past those little girls wearing those outrageous head-covers. My goodness. i

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« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2013, 05:08:31 PM »

Of course, none of this Viking Orthodox work lasted. But then, is that Greek church in New Orleans, the very same one, still in active use?

The congregation is still active, though its location has moved from the original site, if that's what you're asking. There's this story floating around the Internet that Katrina killed the parish (I've seen this in a couple of different places), but I have been there in the last year. A nice lady even let some friends and me into the church just because they wanted to see it.


The parish is still active and viable. Their priest was just elevated to Bishop of AROD. They have done a tremendous job of restoring the church and last year (I think) had an exhibition of the historical icons and artifacts that have been saved and restored over the years.
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« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2013, 06:46:25 PM »
I don't know if I'll ever make it past those little girls wearing those outrageous head-covers. My goodness. i

Do you mean that in your experience, women/girls do not cover their heads at least when taking communion?

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« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2013, 07:01:21 PM »
I don't know if I'll ever make it past those little girls wearing those outrageous head-covers. My goodness. i

Do you mean that in your experience, women/girls do not cover their heads at least when taking communion?

They do. But at least they are not menstruating yet, they shouldn't.
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Re: ORTHODOXY IN DIXIE
« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2013, 07:12:20 PM »
I don't know if I'll ever make it past those little girls wearing those outrageous head-covers. My goodness. i

Do you mean that in your experience, women/girls do not cover their heads at least when taking communion?

They do. But at least they are not menstruating yet, they shouldn't.

I thought it was customary for married women to wear head-covers in church, while girls/virgins should remain uncovered.

Of late, little girls started emulating their mothers and took to wearing headscarves in church pretty much like the offspring of less pious ladies fancy wearing their mothers' make-up, lipstick or jewelry. 

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« Reply #26 on: January 18, 2013, 07:41:33 PM »
I don't know if I'll ever make it past those little girls wearing those outrageous head-covers. My goodness. i

Do you mean that in your experience, women/girls do not cover their heads at least when taking communion?
In my experience they do not commune often to begin with and then those wearing head kerchiefs wear them in general as a class mark (older less or not schooled at all peasant women) and not as an individual mark of piety. That is I'm general my experience. Young women and girls do not wear those things nowadays in generally ; I doubt it's different in Dixie.
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« Reply #27 on: January 18, 2013, 09:48:37 PM »
Just got done watching this video with my wife and we both loved it. I would have liked to have seen a few more states in there like GA or TN, but it was still a good vid.
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« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2013, 03:07:40 PM »
There is some evidence a bishop was sent. 

This piqued my interest. Care to elaborate?
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« Reply #29 on: January 20, 2013, 03:09:41 PM »
There is some evidence a bishop was sent. 

This piqued my interest. Care to elaborate?

The whole post sounded like a sack of chili beans to me, but what do I know?
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« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2013, 03:29:43 PM »
The Bible and Republican propaganda in a restaurant. Even more, The Bible and Republican propaganda in an American restaurant.

I'm starting to understand why God repented the creation of man.
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« Reply #31 on: January 20, 2013, 03:50:12 PM »
And the spin put on that dumb display that is somehow orthodox or  very compatible with orthodoxy, I mean maybe its not all that surprising coming from mr Putin's church. He brought ROCOR home after all.

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« Reply #32 on: January 20, 2013, 06:17:10 PM »
They do. But at least they are not menstruating yet, they shouldn't.
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« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2013, 07:16:44 PM »
They do. But at least they are not menstruating yet, they shouldn't.
Yes, they are not ritually unclean until the year of blood.  ::)

They are not women in any traditional world culture.
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« Reply #34 on: January 21, 2013, 10:26:44 AM »
The Bible and Republican propaganda in a restaurant. Even more, The Bible and Republican propaganda in an American restaurant.

I'm starting to understand why God repented the creation of man.
What propaganda are you referring to?
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« Reply #35 on: January 21, 2013, 11:25:02 AM »
The Bible and Republican propaganda in a restaurant. Even more, The Bible and Republican propaganda in an American restaurant.

I'm starting to understand why God repented the creation of man.
What propaganda are you referring to?

There was some book on Romney on the table. Please not though that my choice of words was intentionally polemical and intended as joke. The setting was so stereotypical that I found it funny. Sort of parody of itself.
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« Reply #36 on: January 21, 2013, 05:17:40 PM »
The Bible and Republican propaganda in a restaurant. Even more, The Bible and Republican propaganda in an American restaurant.

I'm starting to understand why God repented the creation of man.
What propaganda are you referring to?

There was some book on Romney on the table. Please not though that my choice of words was intentionally polemical and intended as joke. The setting was so stereotypical that I found it funny. Sort of parody of itself.
Yeah, I noticed that too. As a whole, South Carolina was pretty much Romney country in 2012.
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« Reply #37 on: January 23, 2013, 03:58:08 PM »
I have a somewhat mixed reaction to ROCOR's "Orthodoxy in Dixie." 

First, what I liked:  It seemed to be done with the best of intentions. There seemed to be a genuine effort to try to understand the South, the Southern experience, and the Southern mindset.  It sought to understand and not to judge. I really liked the idea of an indigenous Orthodoxy in the South that sought to embrace the best aspects of local Southern culture in it.

Second, what I felt could be improved: 
1.  I would retitle it "Orthodoxy in South Carolina."  The South is a big place. It encompasses all the territory between Texas and Virginia, about 25% of the entire United States. There are really many Souths, not just one. You've got the aristocratic tradition of the Virginia Tidewater, along with the Mountain culture of the Appalachian South, the Atlantic Coastal South, the Gulf Coast South, the Piedmont South, the Fall Line and the Sand Hills, the Sea Islands, and Texas (which is both Southern AND Western at the same time).  Yes, South Carolina is part of Dixie, but it is on a small part.

2. I thought it was sadly stereotypical, even though it tried not to be. The fact that the music began with playing "Dixie", then they showed the Confederate Battle Flag, then a picture of the controversial Maurice Bessinger and his BBQ restaurant made me cringe.  When the priest in Summerville likened the Midnight Paschal Procession to an outdoor gathering of the KKK, I almost threw up.  There are a lot of us in the South who (believe it or not) are not necessarily proud of our region's bloody and racist past, and don't care to be reminded of it.  There are lots of Southerners who liked to emphasize the New South and progress.  Many of us are ashamed of our region's Jim Crow past and its harsh and unfair treatment of African Americans. I taught for five years in a South Carolina school district and the Confederate Battle Flag was specifically FORBIDDEN to be anywhere on our campus (including bumper stickers on cars or student or faculty clothing).  Yes, we recognize the whole Civil War thing was part of our heritage, but we are also raised to be polite here and think of other people's feelings.  And because of that my family never stressed our ancestors involvement in the Civil War. A lot of us in South Carolina like to emphasize our state's role in the American Revolution and the 116 years of British rule that preceded it.  Not all of us view ourselves as fighting a Lost Cause anymore. For many of us, we are simply Southern residents of the United States of America.

3. Where were the African Americans?  South Carolina is 30% Black, a percentage exceeded only by the state of Mississippi.  If Orthodoxy is really the Catholic Faith as we claim, would not all people be attracted to it?  Please don't tell me there aren't any African American Orthodox because I know some and, yes, they are here in South Carolina and even belong to my Russian Orthodox parish (OCA). 

4.  I just felt it was kind of shallow and focused mainly on the exterior and focused way too much on food and not the faith.

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« Reply #38 on: January 27, 2013, 10:41:07 PM »
I enjoyed it. Granted, it was not your in-depth exploration of profound things. But it was a fun introduction and Fr. Mark and Fr. Anastassy are delightful.

If the presence of a Romney book on a table is considered propaganda, I suppose the only cure is a book burning? Good heavens. Not that I was any fan of that particular globalist henchman.

The reply to the question, "Where were the African Americans?" is "in Texas." Proof positive:










One African-American (mixed) family came originally from St. John the Baptist (ROCOR) in Washington, D.C. So it's Texas and D.C. and growing.  :)
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« Reply #39 on: January 27, 2013, 10:55:51 PM »
Also, in the primaries, South Carolina was definitely NOT Romney country, it was Ron Paul country. Of course, they say that Newt Gingrich won the primary, but it's not very believable. He had to cancel campaign appearances in South Carolina for lack of attendance, and Ron Paul's in South Carolina were packed. So, very odd, possibly another indication of the rampant Republican primary vote fraud which happened in many states early on.

But Romney territory? Not very willingly.
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Re: ORTHODOXY IN DIXIE
« Reply #40 on: January 27, 2013, 11:12:20 PM »
Folks, this is a board on the Public Forum, where discussion of politics is forbidden, so knock off the political commentary.
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Re: ORTHODOXY IN DIXIE
« Reply #41 on: January 27, 2013, 11:21:22 PM »
Oops, sorry about the politics.

Also, the African-American man in the recent photo from Theophany, came from a Moscow Patriarchal church (Holy Trinity) in Baltimore, Maryland.

So I guess in the South the Russian Church attracts at least a few African-Americans.

The local Antiochian church of St. Elias in Austin has or used to have a number of Ethiopians attending. So we can add Antiochian to the list of "where the African-Americans are."

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Re: ORTHODOXY IN DIXIE
« Reply #42 on: January 28, 2013, 05:22:06 PM »
Thank you for your posts, Fr. Aidan.  They have contributed greatly to the discussion.

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Re: ORTHODOXY IN DIXIE
« Reply #43 on: January 28, 2013, 05:32:54 PM »
Oops, sorry about the politics.

Also, the African-American man in the recent photo from Theophany, came from a Moscow Patriarchal church (Holy Trinity) in Baltimore, Maryland.

So I guess in the South the Russian Church attracts at least a few African-Americans.

The local Antiochian church of St. Elias in Austin has or used to have a number of Ethiopians attending. So we can add Antiochian to the list of "where the African-Americans are."

After this I saw a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and tribes, and peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne, and in sight of the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands: and they cried with a loud voice, saying: Salvation to our God, who sitteth upon the throne, and to the Lamb.  - Rev. 7:9, Douay-Rheims
 
I would also question whether Yankie Churches are doing better in bringing blacks to Orthodoxy.
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Re: ORTHODOXY IN DIXIE
« Reply #44 on: January 28, 2013, 05:36:12 PM »
I don't know if I'll ever make it past those little girls wearing those outrageous head-covers. My goodness. i

Do you mean that in your experience, women/girls do not cover their heads at least when taking communion?
In my experience they do not commune often to begin with and then those wearing head kerchiefs wear them in general as a class mark (older less or not schooled at all peasant women) and not as an individual mark of piety. That is I'm general my experience. Young women and girls do not wear those things nowadays in generally ; I doubt it's different in Dixie.
They look like Tolstoi in muzhik grab. Not that it mad him Count Tolstoy any less.
Scary.  Something I and augustin agree on (although I spell it "made").
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