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Not an Orthodox-Catholic issue, but for Orthodox families who do not have an option for an Orthodox school in their area, would you send your kids to Catholic School?
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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2013, 03:10:50 PM » |
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I'm in a (public) Catholic school. One barely even notices it's Catholic.
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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2013, 03:12:58 PM » |
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I'd gladly send my kids to a Catholic school. Its better than the the indoctrination center that is the one ran by Liberty University in my town.
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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2013, 03:15:55 PM » |
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I'm in a (public) Catholic school. One barely even notices it's Catholic.
Luckily I am in a part of Canada where we do not have that grandfathered clause for public funding for Catholic Schools. Sure, its expensive to send kids to Catholic Schools but they are in full control of the RC Archdiocese and not the liberals in government. And Archbishop Miller is very (in the Catholic sense) orthodox. |
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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2013, 03:23:22 PM » |
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I'm in a (public) Catholic school. One barely even notices it's Catholic.
Luckily I am in a part of Canada where we do not have that grandfathered clause for public funding for Catholic Schools. Sure, its expensive to send kids to Catholic Schools but they are in full control of the RC Archdiocese and not the liberals in government. And Archbishop Miller is very (in the Catholic sense) orthodox. I'd be surprised if they'd teach much about the issues that divide the Orthodox and the Catholics. Even if they did it would still be better than the secular schools. |
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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2013, 03:25:44 PM » |
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I'd be surprised if they'd teach much about the issues that divide the Orthodox and the Catholics. Even if they did it would still be better than the secular schools.
I'm pretty sure the IC and Papacy will be taught in some way. But like you said, that is the least of my worries. It is not as bad as accepting SSM and thinking that abortion is okay. |
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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2013, 03:39:37 PM » |
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I tried. It was oversubscribed, so the young 'un didn't get in.  UK law is that faith schools have to admit every year a certain percentage of students not of the particular faith, so it is possible that even Catholic kids were turned away. We have three primaries and a secondary in the area, and especially the secondary has close ties with the Orthodox chapel. |
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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2013, 03:43:17 PM » |
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I tried. It was oversubscribed, so the young 'un didn't get in. UK law is that faith schools have to admit every year a certain percentage of students not of the particular faith, so it is possible that even Catholic kids were turned away. We have three primaries and a secondary in the area, and especially the secondary has close ties with the Orthodox chapel. The Catholic Schools here have a preference for parishioners (usually the schools are attached to a parish), then then other practicing Catholics. Even with that as a Ukrainian Catholic we would have been pretty low on the list, probably just one notch above Orthodox Christians. |
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« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2013, 03:44:58 PM » |
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I'm in a (public) Catholic school. One barely even notices it's Catholic.
Luckily I am in a part of Canada where we do not have that grandfathered clause for public funding for Catholic Schools. ...unlike, say, Ontario? |
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« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2013, 03:48:29 PM » |
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I'm in a (public) Catholic school. One barely even notices it's Catholic.
Doesn't that "one barely even notice it's Catholic" generally apply all Catholicism in Netherlands? |
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« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2013, 03:51:35 PM » |
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I'm in a (public) Catholic school. One barely even notices it's Catholic.
Doesn't that "one barely even notice it's Catholic" generally apply all Catholicism in Netherlands? No. Well, perhaps a bit. |
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« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2013, 03:54:12 PM » |
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I'm in a (public) Catholic school. One barely even notices it's Catholic.
Luckily I am in a part of Canada where we do not have that grandfathered clause for public funding for Catholic Schools. ...unlike, say, Ontario? Yup. I think Ontario and Quebec has publicly funded Catholic School, which means the government has a say in what they teach. |
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« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2013, 04:23:44 PM » |
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The Catholic Schools here have a preference for parishioners (usually the schools are attached to a parish), then then other practicing Catholics. Even with that as a Ukrainian Catholic we would have been pretty low on the list, probably just one notch above Orthodox Christians. We needed to attach a baptism certificate and a priest's recommendation to the application. By last year's standards, he probably would have got in, but this year the Looked After children (i.e. in care) were kicked up to the top of the list, whether Catholic or not, so that left us further down than before. |
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« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2013, 05:16:44 PM » |
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The Catholic Schools here have a preference for parishioners (usually the schools are attached to a parish), then then other practicing Catholics. Even with that as a Ukrainian Catholic we would have been pretty low on the list, probably just one notch above Orthodox Christians. We needed to attach a baptism certificate and a priest's recommendation to the application. By last year's standards, he probably would have got in, but this year the Looked After children (i.e. in care) were kicked up to the top of the list, whether Catholic or not, so that left us further down than before. All three of my kids went to the Catholic. My youngest child went to public school for K-2nd grade. Then the township change the system from small neighborhood schools to very large regional schools with long commutes. So we looked at the local Catholic school, and even though there was a waiting list at the K and first grade classes, the 3rd grade had openings. My other kids being siblings of a student were admitted when they were of age. |
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« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2013, 05:23:16 PM » |
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« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2013, 05:24:44 PM » |
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In Poland definitely no. It's a straight way to become an atheist. I know people that have finished such schools forced by their careful parents (or more often: grandmothers) and it's not been lucky decision.
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« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2013, 05:37:14 PM » |
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The Catholic Schools here have a preference for parishioners (usually the schools are attached to a parish), then then other practicing Catholics. Even with that as a Ukrainian Catholic we would have been pretty low on the list, probably just one notch above Orthodox Christians. We needed to attach a baptism certificate and a priest's recommendation to the application. By last year's standards, he probably would have got in, but this year the Looked After children (i.e. in care) were kicked up to the top of the list, whether Catholic or not, so that left us further down than before. My kids have Catholic baptismal certificates  although my daughter is from the Ukrainian Catholic Church. But that is not their basis. We need an endorsement from our priest that we are practicing Catholics if we're not from the attached parish. Though technically we are practicing Catholics |
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No! I would have an orthodox priest or a orthodox family teaching them.
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« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2013, 06:06:01 PM » |
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No! I would have an orthodox priest or a orthodox family teaching them.
They are trying to start a "cooperative" at our parish for kids. Technically it will be homeschooling but some of the parents and clergy would run it as if a regular school, but it won't be an official school (at least in the beginning). Of course I'm trying to explore my options here. Homeschooling isn't really an option for us, financially we both have to be working, and while I do have a good paying job, it is not a stable one. |
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« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2013, 09:25:34 PM » |
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« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2013, 10:02:13 PM » |
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How can you guys afford (Roman) Catholic School? It's not free you know. My friend goes to a Roman Catholic school that costs anywhere upwards of 20k a year.
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« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2013, 10:07:44 PM » |
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I dunno if I want my children in an environment where teachers say pagan prayers, openly deny the existence of hell, mock the scriptures, and the like. But I want them to get a quality education in other areas. I guess I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.
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« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2013, 10:10:09 PM » |
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I actually know of several Orthodox academies and schools in the Bay Area. If I'm still living around here and can afford it, I might send my child to one of them. Plus, they are ROCOR--the Orthodox master race that rejects ecumenical BS.
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How can you guys afford (Roman) Catholic School? It's not free you know. My friend goes to a Roman Catholic school that costs anywhere upwards of 20k a year. I think it's going to vary greatly based on the area, and some have discounts (or scholarships) for lower-income families and other similar opportunities. |
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I don't have kids but if I did I would much rather send them to indoctrination into Catholic beliefs than indoctrination into statist beliefs I actually know of several Orthodox academies and schools in the Bay Area. If I'm still living around here and can afford it, I might send my child to one of them. Plus, they are ROCOR--the Orthodox master race that rejects ecumenical BS.
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« Reply #26 on: January 10, 2013, 10:16:10 PM » |
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Not an Orthodox-Catholic issue, but for Orthodox families who do not have an option for an Orthodox school in their area, would you send your kids to Catholic School?
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Plus, they are ROCOR--the Orthodox master race that rejects ecumenical BS. Hey, don't forget the Serbian Church in America! Not very welcoming to non-ethnic Serbs, though, at least generally. But also very traditional in many respects (Old Calendar, strict fasting, isolation from ecumenical gatherings, etc.), but not on others as much (no headcoverings, pews present, no gender segregation in congregations). |
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« Reply #28 on: January 11, 2013, 03:44:08 AM » |
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How can you guys afford (Roman) Catholic School? It's not free you know. My friend goes to a Roman Catholic school that costs anywhere upwards of 20k a year. Here in the UK it is. There may be private faith schools as well, but none of those in the area cost a farthing more than ordinary state schools. |
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« Reply #29 on: January 11, 2013, 04:13:35 AM » |
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How can you guys afford (Roman) Catholic School? It's not free you know. My friend goes to a Roman Catholic school that costs anywhere upwards of 20k a year. Here in the UK it is. There may be private faith schools as well, but none of those in the area cost a farthing more than ordinary state schools. The ones I looked at here are about $500 a month, if I am not mistaken. I think they do get some money from the government since they do provide education which is something the government ought to provide for, but not in a way that they are totally funded thus the government have full control on them. Here's a sample of one in my area: http://www.fatimaschool.ca/olf/AdmissionForms/Tuition%20Fees%202012-13.pdf |
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Plus, they are ROCOR--the Orthodox master race that rejects ecumenical BS. Hey, don't forget the Serbian Church in America! Not very welcoming to non-ethnic Serbs, though, at least generally. But also very traditional in many respects (Old Calendar, strict fasting, isolation from ecumenical gatherings, etc.), but not on others as much (no headcoverings, pews present, no gender segregation in congregations). What about the georgians? They aren't even a member of the WWC. |
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If I can afford it for my children, absolutely yes.
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We did send our son to a Roman Catholic primary school before we moved to where we are now. Now we're hoping that he will get into the local Church of England secondary school (we'll find out in March). If there'd been a Roman Catholic secondary school near us we'd have probably picked that in preference, but an Anglican school (despite how liberal they've got in recent years) still seems better than the secular alternative to us. How I wish there were more Orthodox schools around, though.
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For religious reasons, no, (having gone to the best Catholic schools myself I ended up both agnostic and wild).
For purely academic reasons, "theoretically yes," but as the local secular high school our kids attend is among the top of the top in the U.S. academically (and outperforming most Catholic high schools nationally and certainly locally) we send them there.
Our priest is trying to start an Orthodox school, but if it actually existed we still would probably have our kids where they currently are, and I wager *most* of the local Orthodox families with high-schoolers probably would too (again, locally). Not to say we are doing the right thing -God only knows (Kyrie eleison).
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Question: For those of you who would/do opt for Catholic, is that mainly over academics or religion for you? (or perhaps something else, e.g. safety etc.)
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Question: For those of you who would/do opt for Catholic, is that mainly over academics or religion for you? (or perhaps something else, e.g. safety etc.)
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Question: For those of you who would/do opt for Catholic, is that mainly over academics or religion for you? (or perhaps something else, e.g. safety etc.)
All of the above. Especially where I live, the Catholic schools dominate the public (and one Protestant) schools in all areas. Ditto here, except we do have an Orthodox K-8 school available. |
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« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2013, 03:29:44 PM » |
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Question: For those of you who would/do opt for Catholic, is that mainly over academics or religion for you? (or perhaps something else, e.g. safety etc.)
The hope that our kids don't get programmed into the liberal agenda of the secular society. Coming from an RC family, I wouldn't mind if my kids do grow up to be good Roman Catholics, if they decide to revert upon their adulthood. Whatever doctrinal differences the Orthodox and Roman Catholic Churches has, there are a lot of good and holy people there. And its far better than being secularized. At least our area is blessed with a Roman Catholic bishop who is very true to traditional Roman Catholic teachings and thus the parochial schools are in line with the Church teachings. I'd rather have that than risk getting my kids indoctrinated with secular lies in public school. |
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I don't know. I would try for a month. If my kids liked it, I would continue with it. If they felt too uncomfortable. I would either send them to a regular school or home school them. One thing that would play a huge role in my decision though, is whether my kids are taught to do unto others as they would have others do to them. Also, I would make sure that the idea "my doctrine is truer than yours" would not be taught.
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I don't have kids but if I did I would much rather send them to indoctrination into Catholic beliefs than indoctrination into statist beliefs I actually know of several Orthodox academies and schools in the Bay Area. If I'm still living around here and can afford it, I might send my child to one of them. Plus, they are ROCOR--the Orthodox master race that rejects ecumenical BS.
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In theory, yes, if I could afford it, but that’s laughable right now.
I once attended the local Catholic high school’s graduation, and the principal actually told the graduates, “I hope you appreciate what your parents sacrificed for you to get a good Catholic education. Just for your high school years, they could have bought three new cars.”
The other religious schools around here are hangovers from the days of segregation academies, and more or less serve to keep the school system segregated even now (even if that is not the intention of the parents who send their children to those schools). The Catholic school system predates all of that by about a hundred years.
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Blessed Nazarius practiced the ascetic life. His clothes were tattered. He wore his shoes without removing them for six years.
THE OPINIONS HERE MAY NOT REFLECT THE ACTUAL OR PERCEIVED ORTHODOX CHURCH
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