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« on: January 09, 2013, 03:17:49 PM »
I hear people who chose not to marry saying it was not meant to be. I hear others choosing to marry some idiots, and they say it was meant that they would marry idiots. If everything is meant. If the tragedies and blessings in our lives were just meant to be. Where is our free will? and if everything is meant to be. Why should we worry about sinning, when that is meant to be  also? And why should we take any responsibilty if everything is someone else's work?
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« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2013, 03:21:25 PM »
How can someone choose not to marry and say it was or wasnt meant to be? That's there own choice  Huh
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« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2013, 03:45:59 PM »
Quote from: Ashman618 on January 09, 2013, 03:21:25 PM
How can someone choose not to marry and say it was or wasnt meant to be? That's there own choice  Huh

Exactly. But it seems that these day even (and especially) some people who call themselves Orthodox, worship fate instead.
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« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2013, 03:48:40 PM »
It's just an expression. Or perhaps they want to validate their own personal choices. It would surprise me to learn that they indeed worship fate - whatever that is.
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« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2013, 03:52:12 PM »
Quote from: katherineofdixie on January 09, 2013, 03:48:40 PM
It's just an expression. Or perhaps they want to validate their own personal choices. It would surprise me to learn that they indeed worship fate - whatever that is.

fate is when someone else (God) makes it happen. Not you.
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« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2013, 04:03:12 PM »
So if I don't win the lottery and I shrug and say, "I guess it just wasn't meant to be," I'm worshipping fate. Or God?
Doesn't make any sense.
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« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2013, 04:05:44 PM »
Quote from: katherineofdixie on January 09, 2013, 03:48:40 PM
It's just an expression. Or perhaps they want to validate their own personal choices. It would surprise me to learn that they indeed worship fate - whatever that is.

I agree with Katherine.

"It wasn't meant to be." can simply mean that there are things that are out of our control.  And if it is God's will that someone not marry, for whatever reason(s), and they choose to follow the Holy Spirit's leading on that, they can still accurately say that it wasn't meant to be without being fatalistic.

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« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2013, 06:44:59 PM »
The concept of fate is a strong concept with deep cultural roots, albeit those cultural roots are in paganism. Christianity argues against fate. Fate does not rule the world, God does, And God does not coerce anyone, but honors free will.
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