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Offline Peter J

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Nuncio Archbishop on conversion
« on: January 18, 2013, 04:40:27 PM »
"… So in a way it helped to illustrate to them or teach them what the Catholic Church was about as well?"

"Yes and because we always respected their identity. For example, at the nunciature there was also a young [Orthodox] seminarian who had stopped studying in order to make some money. I would tell him quite often: “You must not become a Catholic. You have to keep your faith in order to better serve your Church. Now you know us you can dream about going to Rome. You can go to Rome one day in order to study but you should remain a Russian Orthodox.” "
- from an interview with Archbishop Antonio Mennini.

This is interesting to me, because my understanding is that we Catholics generally don't encourage Orthodox to convert to Catholicism, but don't discourage them from doing so either.
- Peter Jericho (a CAF poster)

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Re: Nuncio Archbishop on conversion
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2013, 04:49:20 PM »
Very interesting.

We've come a long way from:

"Furthermore we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff."

(Note that the "we declare, we proclaim, we define" language is an indication the Pope is speaking ex cathedra.)
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Re: Nuncio Archbishop on conversion
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2013, 04:57:01 PM »
Very interesting.

We've come a long way from:

"Furthermore we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff."

(Note that the "we declare, we proclaim, we define" language is an indication the Pope is speaking ex cathedra.)

Didn't they say later on that the Orthodox and the Protestants are in an imperfect way "Catholics"?  Anyone validly baptized in the Trinitarian Formula is a Catholic.

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Re: Nuncio Archbishop on conversion
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2013, 06:05:16 PM »
Very interesting.

We've come a long way from:

"Furthermore we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff."

(Note that the "we declare, we proclaim, we define" language is an indication the Pope is speaking ex cathedra.)

What the Nuncio was saying is obviously heresy, from both Catholic and Orthodox perspectives. The long way we've come (or fallen rather) is allowing heresy to run rampant.

 I still feel like I'm in limbo between Catholicism and Orthodoxy. I don't give religious assent of the mind and will to Vatican II, and I think its highly probably that we warned about mass apostasy in the third secret of Fatima and that its all being covered up... but then I start to feel like a conspiracy nutcase and find my whole position as a "traditionalist" Catholic to be untenable. Looking at the Church Fathers I see a good case for the Catholic and the Orthodox stance.

I guess I'm making up for all the teenage angst I never had.  >:(
« Last Edit: January 18, 2013, 06:06:12 PM by gueranger »

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Re: Nuncio Archbishop on conversion
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2013, 06:10:38 PM »
Very interesting.

We've come a long way from:

"Furthermore we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff."

(Note that the "we declare, we proclaim, we define" language is an indication the Pope is speaking ex cathedra.)

What the Nuncio was saying is obviously heresy, from both Catholic and Orthodox perspectives. The long way we've come (or fallen rather) is allowing heresy to run rampant.

 I still feel like I'm in limbo between Catholicism and Orthodoxy. I don't give religious assent of the mind and will to Vatican II, and I think its highly probably that we warned about mass apostasy in the third secret of Fatima and that its all being covered up... but then I start to feel like a conspiracy nutcase and find my whole position as a "traditionalist" Catholic to be untenable. Looking at the Church Fathers I see a good case for the Catholic and the Orthodox stance.

I guess I'm making up for all the teenage angst I never had.  >:(

What if the nuncio felt just the way you do (maybe except about Vatican II & Fatima) and this was the best advice he could give?
« Last Edit: January 18, 2013, 06:14:06 PM by Romaios »

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Re: Nuncio Archbishop on conversion
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2013, 06:46:52 PM »
Nuncio archbishop embracing succumb to irrelevance. Catholic with a shrug.

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Re: Nuncio Archbishop on conversion
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2013, 07:37:52 PM »
What if the nuncio felt just the way you do (maybe except about Vatican II & Fatima) and this was the best advice he could give?


Then I'm very glad I'm not a Bishop.