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« on: January 07, 2013, 11:15:53 AM »

So as a recent convert, "chalcedonian" is a word ive heard a lot of, but didnt know what it meant before Orthodoxy.  When it comes to this word, ive read it tons of times but never actually said it out loud until recently when talking to a friend.  Its hard to sound intelligent when talking about a subject you dont even know how to pronounce correctly.

Can someone spell out the pronunciation? Smiley

I think im saying it right, but I want to be sure.... Im an idiot, i know.
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« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2013, 11:28:47 AM »

hehehe no you r not an idiot.

I am the last person to show ppl how to pronouce stuff in english lol one because of my ESL limitations and second because I do not know how to write in phonetics. however, if I am not mistaken its pronouced as Cal-see-donian. of course in my mother toungue i pronounce it as kel-Qedon-aw-yan. Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2013, 11:32:20 AM »

So as a recent convert, "chalcedonian" is a word ive heard a lot of, but didnt know what it meant before Orthodoxy.  When it comes to this word, ive read it tons of times but never actually said it out loud until recently when talking to a friend.  Its hard to sound intelligent when talking about a subject you dont even know how to pronounce correctly.

Can someone spell out the pronunciation? Smiley

I think im saying it right, but I want to be sure.... Im an idiot, i know.

Use the Oxford Dictionary for American English, if you want to sound sane.

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Pronunciation: /ˌkalsəˈdōnēən/

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/american_english/Chalcedon,+Council+of
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« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2013, 11:38:21 AM »

hehehe no you r not an idiot.

I am the last person to show ppl how to pronouce stuff in english lol one because of my ESL limitations and second because I do not know how to write in phonetics. however, if I am not mistaken its pronouced as Cal-see-donian. of course in my mother toungue i pronounce it as kel-Qedon-aw-yan. Smiley

In my mother tongue: skjuːz mā?
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« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2013, 11:41:30 AM »

Thanks everyone.  I was saying it with a "ch" sound at the beginning... other than that I was right. Ha.
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« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2013, 11:48:25 AM »

Thanks everyone.  I was saying it with a "ch" sound at the beginning... other than that I was right. Ha.

I grew up around a guy who read a lot and was utter white trash like myself. Unlike myself, he didn't have a huge Oxford nor the time to learn how words he read were pronounced. I had to give up some of my terribly English pronunciations once I got learned better, but this poor guy butchered words so good that you couldn't never tell what he was fixing to say.

Interestingly I met this exact guy again later. Unlike the guy I knowed when I was young, this poor fellow tries Russian, German, and French with never having heard it.

EDIT: My point, don't be embarrassed cause you can't "properly" pronounce a word. Such embarrassment retarded my own language aptitude.   
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« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2013, 12:06:47 PM »

I recall Fr. Patrick Henry Reardon on a podcast pronouncing it Kal-KEE-don. Can't bring myself to say it that way. Kal-si-DOH-nee-an sounds best Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2013, 12:28:12 PM »

I recall Fr. Patrick Henry Reardon on a podcast pronouncing it Kal-KEE-don. Can't bring myself to say it that way. Kal-si-DOH-nee-an sounds best Smiley

See the above post of mine.

It's sorta like putting up with the Greek "experts" around here who want to make St. Paul or even Homer speak like their grandpa. (When someone derides "Erasmian Greek", you know to stop listening.)

It's sorta like asking how to pronounce angina.

Some of my docs say: an-ˈjī-nə

Others: ˈan-jə-nə

The others are the new and improved doctors.

Strange they don't apply the same principle to another word.

ˈan-jə-nə! an-ˈjī-nə!
ˈwa-jə-nə! və-ˈjī-nə!

Let's call the whole thing off.

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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2013, 12:30:26 PM »

It reminds me that one of my fellow chanters insists on pronouncing Theotokos as thay-OTT-ikkus. I've waiting several years for my priest say something. This same chanter also pronounces Joachim as YO-akim - somewhat understandable as he comes from a German Mennonite background, but his own father is Jake, not Yake  Cheesy!
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« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2013, 12:33:09 PM »

A brother once asked Abba Severus, "Abba, how do I pronounce 'Chalecedonian'?" And Abba Severus replied, "It's pronounced EV-IL."
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« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2013, 12:35:13 PM »

A brother once asked Abba Severus, "Abba, how do I pronounce 'Chalecedonian'?" And Abba Severus replied, "It's pronounced EV-IL."

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« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2013, 12:48:02 PM »

hehehe no you r not an idiot.

I am the last person to show ppl how to pronouce stuff in english lol one because of my ESL limitations and second because I do not know how to write in phonetics. however, if I am not mistaken its pronouced as Cal-see-donian. of course in my mother toungue i pronounce it as kel-Qedon-aw-yan. Smiley

In my mother tongue: skjuːz mā?

 Cheesy Cheesy Ah! that would be the biological mother of English.
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« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2013, 12:48:55 PM »

A brother once asked Abba Severus, "Abba, how do I pronounce 'Chalecedonian'?" And Abba Severus replied, "It's pronounced EV-IL."

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« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2013, 01:37:19 PM »

A brother once asked Abba Severus, "Abba, how do I pronounce 'Chalecedonian'?" And Abba Severus replied, "It's pronounced EV-IL."

hehehehe good one!

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« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2013, 01:39:42 PM »

A brother once asked Abba Severus, "Abba, how do I pronounce 'Chalecedonian'?" And Abba Severus replied, "It's pronounced EV-IL."
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« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2013, 02:37:22 PM »

A brother once asked Abba Severus, "Abba, how do I pronounce 'Chalecedonian'?" And Abba Severus replied, "It's pronounced EV-IL."


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« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2013, 08:47:42 PM »

Pronunciation? Even the spelling in Greek varies depending on the century in which it was used.

I wish member pensateomnia would check in. I recall his similar comments on 'Chalcedon' and with his degree's discipline would trust his answer.
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« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2013, 08:51:23 PM »

A brother once asked Abba Severus, "Abba, how do I pronounce 'Chalecedonian'?" And Abba Severus replied, "It's pronounced EV-IL."


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« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2013, 10:30:46 PM »

Pronunciation? Even the spelling in Greek varies depending on the century in which it was used.

I wish member pensateomnia would check in. I recall his similar comments on 'Chalcedon' and with his degree's discipline would trust his answer.

I already gave the answer. It is an English word. It has a standard American pronunciation if you are speaking American English. Regionlize how you like.
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« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2013, 04:56:43 AM »

A brother once asked Abba Severus, "Abba, how do I pronounce 'Chalecedonian'?" And Abba Severus replied, "It's pronounced EV-IL."
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Pronunciation? Even the spelling in Greek varies depending on the century in which it was used.

I wish member pensateomnia would check in. I recall his similar comments on 'Chalcedon' and with his degree's discipline would trust his answer.

I already gave the answer. It is an English word. It has a standard American pronunciation if you are speaking American English. Regionlize how you like.

Nothing to do with regional dialects in Greek which is what I was posting about. But then you knew that, didn't you?.
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« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2013, 03:17:42 PM »

Pronunciation? Even the spelling in Greek varies depending on the century in which it was used.

I wish member pensateomnia would check in. I recall his similar comments on 'Chalcedon' and with his degree's discipline would trust his answer.

I already gave the answer. It is an English word. It has a standard American pronunciation if you are speaking American English. Regionlize how you like.

Nothing to do with regional dialects in Greek which is what I was posting about. But then you knew that, didn't you?.

Where do the words regional dialects appear in your post?

But I do know what you mean, even if you don't.
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« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2013, 03:36:21 PM »

Pronunciation? Even the spelling in Greek varies depending on the century in which it was used.

I wish member pensateomnia would check in. I recall his similar comments on 'Chalcedon' and with his degree's discipline would trust his answer.

I already gave the answer. It is an English word. It has a standard American pronunciation if you are speaking American English. Regionlize how you like.

Nothing to do with regional dialects in Greek which is what I was posting about. But then you knew that, didn't you?.

Where do the words regional dialects appear in your post?

But I do know what you mean, even if you don't.

Cute; what does "regionalize" mean in YOUR post?
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« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2013, 03:51:35 PM »

Pronunciation? Even the spelling in Greek varies depending on the century in which it was used.

I wish member pensateomnia would check in. I recall his similar comments on 'Chalcedon' and with his degree's discipline would trust his answer.

I already gave the answer. It is an English word. It has a standard American pronunciation if you are speaking American English. Regionlize how you like.

Nothing to do with regional dialects in Greek which is what I was posting about. But then you knew that, didn't you?.

Where do the words regional dialects appear in your post?

But I do know what you mean, even if you don't.

Cute; what does "regionalize" mean in YOUR post?

In America, we have regional differences in the Standard Language. The Oxford American gives you the standard pronunciation for this word, but I am not so uptight like many to think everyone has to sound like whoever reads the news on CNN.

So feel free to regionlize that pronunciation all you like.
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« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2013, 04:19:27 PM »

Pronunciation? Even the spelling in Greek varies depending on the century in which it was used.

I wish member pensateomnia would check in. I recall his similar comments on 'Chalcedon' and with his degree's discipline would trust his answer.

I already gave the answer. It is an English word. It has a standard American pronunciation if you are speaking American English. Regionlize how you like.

Nothing to do with regional dialects in Greek which is what I was posting about. But then you knew that, didn't you?.

Where do the words regional dialects appear in your post?

But I do know what you mean, even if you don't.

Cute; what does "regionalize" mean in YOUR post?

In America, we have regional differences in the Standard Language. The Oxford American gives you the standard pronunciation for this word, but I am not so uptight like many to think everyone has to sound like whoever reads the news on CNN.

So feel free to regionlize that pronunciation all you like.

Gotch ya. I agree.
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« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2013, 03:20:20 PM »

Pronunciation? Even the spelling in Greek varies depending on the century in which it was used...
...and the region. Ancient Athenians would have called the city Χαλκηδών while the Megareans (who were its founders) would have called it Καλχηδών.
Αs for the spirantization of χ [kʰ] > [ x], well, by the 3rd c. BC the shift of pronouncing χ from aspirate stop, to spirant, is already well eshtablished.  
In Byzantine and Modern Greek, Χαλκηδών is pronounced [xalci'ðo̞n]
In Attic Classical language: [kʰalkɛε'dɔɔn]
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Pronunciation? Even the spelling in Greek varies depending on the century in which it was used...
...and the region. Ancient Athenians would have called the city Χαλκηδών while the Megareans (who were its founders) would have called it Καλχηδών.
Αs for the spirantization of χ [kʰ] > [ x], well, by the 3rd c. BC the shift of pronouncing χ from aspirate stop, to spirant, is already well eshtablished. 
In Byzantine and Modern Greek, Χαλκηδών is pronounced [xalci'ðo̞n]
In Attic Classical language: [kʰalkɛε'dɔɔn]
May I tip my cap to you? Exactly my point.
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« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2013, 04:02:10 PM »

Pronunciation? Even the spelling in Greek varies depending on the century in which it was used.

I wish member pensateomnia would check in. I recall his similar comments on 'Chalcedon' and with his degree's discipline would trust his answer.

Just where is pensateomnia? I do miss him.
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« Reply #28 on: January 11, 2013, 04:02:48 PM »

Pronunciation? Even the spelling in Greek varies depending on the century in which it was used.

I wish member pensateomnia would check in. I recall his similar comments on 'Chalcedon' and with his degree's discipline would trust his answer.

Just where is pensateomnia? I do miss him.

I'll see if I can drop him a line.
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