Topic: how sure are you that you will never change a denomination?

[tweety234]

Are you more than 1000% sure?

[Arachne]

Several years of study have convinced me that there is no other Christian group that could tempt me to switch allegiances.

Once the wholeness of truth has been seen, the plotholes in other setups become more conspicuous than ever.

[Punch]

I don't intend to cease being Orthodox, even after the "Orthodox Church" apostatizes.

[Nathanael]

1 Corinthians 10,12: "So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall!"

[biro]

Well, I've already failed today, so that's out of the way.

[Punch]

1 Corinthians 10,12: "So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall!"

You have to be standing before you can fall.

[mike]

I don't intend to cease being Orthodox, even after the "Orthodox Church" apostatizes.

Made me chuckle.

That's the spirit!

[truthseeker32]

Because I have taken my time in figuring things out, and have attempted to be meticulous in the process, I am confident that wherever I end up (likely Eastern Catholicism) will be for good.

[tweety234]

1 Corinthians 10,12: "So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall!"

are you reading my mind?

[Basil 320]

Wholly committed to Eastern Orthodoxy.

[tweety234]

Because I have taken my time in figuring things out, and have attempted to be meticulous in the process, I am confident that wherever I end up (likely Eastern Catholicism) will be for good.

Catholicism? I thought you were an Orthodox. unless i am mistaken.

[tweety234]

Well, I've already failed today, so that's out of the way.

how did you fail buddy? what have you done?

[Aindriú]

Well, I've already failed today, so that's out of the way.

how did you fail buddy? what have you done?

LOL, this forum needs a male/female icon on profiles....

[Justin Kissel]

Yes, I am 1014% sure, because when I make my mind up I never ever change it! 

[FormerReformer]

Well, I've already failed today, so that's out of the way.

how did you fail buddy? what have you done?

LOL, this forum needs a male/female icon on profiles....

I agree with the hot chick. This gender confusion needs to stop.

[Aindriú]

YAY! I'm hot!

[truthseeker32]

Because I have taken my time in figuring things out, and have attempted to be meticulous in the process, I am confident that wherever I end up (likely Eastern Catholicism) will be for good.

Catholicism? I thought you were an Orthodox. unless i am mistaken.

No, I am not Orthodox. As I have said in other threads, I have studied Orthodoxy quite a bit and continue to study it, but in the end I found myself leaning towards Rome. That being said, I still have a great love for the Eastern Christian tradition, which is why I feel at home as an Eastern Catholic.

[Andrew Crook]

Because I have taken my time in figuring things out, and have attempted to be meticulous in the process, I am confident that wherever I end up (likely Eastern Catholicism) will be for good.

Catholicism? I thought you were an Orthodox. unless i am mistaken.

No, I am not Orthodox. As I have said in other threads, I have studied Orthodoxy quite a bit and continue to study it, but in the end I found myself leaning towards Rome. That being said, I still have a great love for the Eastern Christian tradition, which is why I feel at home as an Eastern Catholic.

Eastern Catholicism has always boggled my mind.  The theological language which the Romans use often seems to contradict the Eastern understanding of the Faith, and many Roman Catholics today would not understand an Eastern or Oriental Catholic's point of view when it came to many of their cherished doctrines. 

As to denomination, I can't say that I will never change.  It has been very tough for me before, and Orthodoxy is not an easy religion to practice.  I suppose a part of me is still accustomed to the way I was raised as a Baptist, by just "believing" and letting God do the rest.  Yet "narrow is the gate and strait is the way, and few there be that find it" -- I have no doubts about that part.

[JamesR]

I am 1,000,000% sure that if I were to ever apostate from Orthodoxy, it wouldn't be for another Christian denomination. I am 1,000,000% sure that Orthodoxy is the real deal and the most reasonable Christianity. If I were to ever apostate, it would be to an entirely different religion--probably either Buddhism or atheism.

[Andrew Crook]

I am 1,000,000% sure that if I were to ever apostate from Orthodoxy, it wouldn't be for another Christian denomination. I am 1,000,000% sure that Orthodoxy is the real deal and the most reasonable Christianity. If I were to ever apostate, it would be to an entirely different religion--probably either Buddhism or atheism.

Neither of which should be called "religions".  Buddhism is very non-theistic, and atheism is a philosophy. 

[simplygermain]

I have no desire to be anything than what the Lord has given me, for He gave it as a gift. For me to deny His church, is to deny Him. Who was it that said? ...How can a man have God as His father without the church as His mother?
Trust in the Lord with all your heart, mind and soul and lean not on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him and He will direct your path.

[88Devin12]

I am 1,000,000% sure that if I were to ever apostate from Orthodoxy, it wouldn't be for another Christian denomination. I am 1,000,000% sure that Orthodoxy is the real deal and the most reasonable Christianity. If I were to ever apostate, it would be to an entirely different religion--probably either Buddhism or atheism.

Neither of which should be called "religions".  Buddhism is very non-theistic, and atheism is a philosophy.  

I disagree, both, especially atheism are both religions. Dawkins practices the religion of atheism as an example.

I am 1,000,000% sure that if I were to ever apostate from Orthodoxy, it wouldn't be for another Christian denomination. I am 1,000,000% sure that Orthodoxy is the real deal and the most reasonable Christianity. If I were to ever apostate, it would be to an entirely different religion--probably either Buddhism or atheism.

This is the same for me, I would not and could not leave Orthodoxy unless it was towards an absolute state of atheism. If the Christian God doesn't exist and Orthodoxy isn't true, then no other religion is true and no God exists.

[Andrew Crook]

I am 1,000,000% sure that if I were to ever apostate from Orthodoxy, it wouldn't be for another Christian denomination. I am 1,000,000% sure that Orthodoxy is the real deal and the most reasonable Christianity. If I were to ever apostate, it would be to an entirely different religion--probably either Buddhism or atheism.

Neither of which should be called "religions".  Buddhism is very non-theistic, and atheism is a philosophy. 

I disagree, both, especially atheism are both religions. Dawkins practices the religion of atheism as an example.

I am 1,000,000% sure that if I were to ever apostate from Orthodoxy, it wouldn't be for another Christian denomination. I am 1,000,000% sure that Orthodoxy is the real deal and the most reasonable Christianity. If I were to ever apostate, it would be to an entirely different religion--probably either Buddhism or atheism.

This is the same for me, I would not and could not leave Orthodoxy unless it was towards an absolute state of atheism. If the Christian God doesn't exist and Orthodoxy isn't try, then no other religion is true and no God exists.

Define "religion"?   I always understood religion to be involving worship of a god, or gods. Atheism is godless by definition, and seeks to worship nothing.

[Justin Kissel]

Define "religion"?   I always understood religion to be involving worship of a god, or gods. Atheism is godless by definition, and seeks to worship nothing.

Some people want to redefine the word so that atheism is a religion. Other people want to redefine the word so that Orthodoxy is not a religion. Sometimes you get to do a double facepalm when the same person does both.

[88Devin12]

I am 1,000,000% sure that if I were to ever apostate from Orthodoxy, it wouldn't be for another Christian denomination. I am 1,000,000% sure that Orthodoxy is the real deal and the most reasonable Christianity. If I were to ever apostate, it would be to an entirely different religion--probably either Buddhism or atheism.

Neither of which should be called "religions".  Buddhism is very non-theistic, and atheism is a philosophy. 

I disagree, both, especially atheism are both religions. Dawkins practices the religion of atheism as an example.

I am 1,000,000% sure that if I were to ever apostate from Orthodoxy, it wouldn't be for another Christian denomination. I am 1,000,000% sure that Orthodoxy is the real deal and the most reasonable Christianity. If I were to ever apostate, it would be to an entirely different religion--probably either Buddhism or atheism.

This is the same for me, I would not and could not leave Orthodoxy unless it was towards an absolute state of atheism. If the Christian God doesn't exist and Orthodoxy isn't try, then no other religion is true and no God exists.

Define "religion"?   I always understood religion to be involving worship of a god, or gods. Atheism is godless by definition, and seeks to worship nothing.

Religions isn't worship of a god or gods, though it sometimes involves that. Buddhism is a religion, modern Atheism is a religion. A visit to Wikipedia or Dictionary.com will show good definitions of religion.

I would say that a man like Neil Degrasse Tyson isn't religious, whereas a man like Richard Dawkins is highly religious. One is apathetic toward religion and even towards atheism, he's a scientist and doesn't care much for such debate; the other has dedicated his whole life and being towards atheism and furthering its philosophy, doctrine and membership using a lot of rhetoric similar to Protestant Fundamentalists.

[SavedByChrist94]

I am 1,000,000% sure that if I were to ever apostate from Orthodoxy, it wouldn't be for another Christian denomination. I am 1,000,000% sure that Orthodoxy is the real deal and the most reasonable Christianity. If I were to ever apostate, it would be to an entirely different religion--probably either Buddhism or atheism.

Neither of which should be called "religions".  Buddhism is very non-theistic, and atheism is a philosophy. 

"buddhism" worships a "budda" and  "atheism" believes in nothingness, both false religions.

There can only be One True Religion and that is Christianity.

[Andrew Crook]

I am 1,000,000% sure that if I were to ever apostate from Orthodoxy, it wouldn't be for another Christian denomination. I am 1,000,000% sure that Orthodoxy is the real deal and the most reasonable Christianity. If I were to ever apostate, it would be to an entirely different religion--probably either Buddhism or atheism.

Neither of which should be called "religions".  Buddhism is very non-theistic, and atheism is a philosophy. 

"buddhism" worships a "budda" and  "atheism" believes in nothingness, both false religions.

There can only be One True Religion and that is Christianity.

It would be closer to the truth to say that they venerate him.  Worship would be inaccurate.  You can study the life of Gautama Buddha, meditate on his statue -- but no one considers him a god.  Although sometimes it may appear as such, and that's because things have a hard time being translated into English from say Tibetan or Pali.

[Andrew Crook]

I am 1,000,000% sure that if I were to ever apostate from Orthodoxy, it wouldn't be for another Christian denomination. I am 1,000,000% sure that Orthodoxy is the real deal and the most reasonable Christianity. If I were to ever apostate, it would be to an entirely different religion--probably either Buddhism or atheism.

Neither of which should be called "religions".  Buddhism is very non-theistic, and atheism is a philosophy. 

I disagree, both, especially atheism are both religions. Dawkins practices the religion of atheism as an example.

I am 1,000,000% sure that if I were to ever apostate from Orthodoxy, it wouldn't be for another Christian denomination. I am 1,000,000% sure that Orthodoxy is the real deal and the most reasonable Christianity. If I were to ever apostate, it would be to an entirely different religion--probably either Buddhism or atheism.

This is the same for me, I would not and could not leave Orthodoxy unless it was towards an absolute state of atheism. If the Christian God doesn't exist and Orthodoxy isn't try, then no other religion is true and no God exists.

Define "religion"?   I always understood religion to be involving worship of a god, or gods. Atheism is godless by definition, and seeks to worship nothing.

Religions isn't worship of a god or gods, though it sometimes involves that. Buddhism is a religion, modern Atheism is a religion. A visit to Wikipedia or Dictionary.com will show good definitions of religion.

I would say that a man like Neil Degrasse Tyson isn't religious, whereas a man like Richard Dawkins is highly religious. One is apathetic toward religion and even towards atheism, he's a scientist and doesn't care much for such debate; the other has dedicated his whole life and being towards atheism and furthering its philosophy, doctrine and membership using a lot of rhetoric similar to Protestant Fundamentalists.

Yes and I saw no definition which indicates atheism would be a religion.

".
a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2.
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3.
the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4.
the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5.
the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.

Atheism is not about believing or not believing in anything.  Most atheists would much rather look at facts, and what can be proven rather than a personal set of beliefs.  That's closer to knowledge and understanding, not a matter of belief and faith.

[SavedByChrist94]

I am 1,000,000% sure that if I were to ever apostate from Orthodoxy, it wouldn't be for another Christian denomination. I am 1,000,000% sure that Orthodoxy is the real deal and the most reasonable Christianity. If I were to ever apostate, it would be to an entirely different religion--probably either Buddhism or atheism.

Neither of which should be called "religions".  Buddhism is very non-theistic, and atheism is a philosophy. 

"buddhism" worships a "budda" and  "atheism" believes in nothingness, both false religions.

There can only be One True Religion and that is Christianity.

It would be closer to the truth to say that they venerate him.  Worship would be inaccurate.  You can study the life of Gautama Buddha, meditate on his statue -- but no one considers him a god.  Although sometimes it may appear as such, and that's because things have a hard time being translated into English from say Tibetan or Pali.

They worship the liar "buddha". as "atheist" worship nothingness, leading their lives nowhere.

[SavedByChrist94]

I am 1,000,000% sure that if I were to ever apostate from Orthodoxy, it wouldn't be for another Christian denomination. I am 1,000,000% sure that Orthodoxy is the real deal and the most reasonable Christianity. If I were to ever apostate, it would be to an entirely different religion--probably either Buddhism or atheism.

Neither of which should be called "religions".  Buddhism is very non-theistic, and atheism is a philosophy. 

I disagree, both, especially atheism are both religions. Dawkins practices the religion of atheism as an example.

I am 1,000,000% sure that if I were to ever apostate from Orthodoxy, it wouldn't be for another Christian denomination. I am 1,000,000% sure that Orthodoxy is the real deal and the most reasonable Christianity. If I were to ever apostate, it would be to an entirely different religion--probably either Buddhism or atheism.

This is the same for me, I would not and could not leave Orthodoxy unless it was towards an absolute state of atheism. If the Christian God doesn't exist and Orthodoxy isn't try, then no other religion is true and no God exists.

Define "religion"?   I always understood religion to be involving worship of a god, or gods. Atheism is godless by definition, and seeks to worship nothing.

Religions isn't worship of a god or gods, though it sometimes involves that. Buddhism is a religion, modern Atheism is a religion. A visit to Wikipedia or Dictionary.com will show good definitions of religion.

I would say that a man like Neil Degrasse Tyson isn't religious, whereas a man like Richard Dawkins is highly religious. One is apathetic toward religion and even towards atheism, he's a scientist and doesn't care much for such debate; the other has dedicated his whole life and being towards atheism and furthering its philosophy, doctrine and membership using a lot of rhetoric similar to Protestant Fundamentalists.

Yes and I saw no definition which indicates atheism would be a religion.

".
a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2.
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3.
the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4.
the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5.
the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.

Atheism is not about believing or not believing in anything.  Most atheists would much rather look at facts, and what can be proven rather than a personal set of beliefs.  That's closer to knowledge and understanding, not a matter of belief and faith.

God(The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit) of The Bible is a Fact, an Objective Reality, so your statement is false, "atheist" therefore do not look or know the Facts. Christianity ain't some faith, only a faith when you don't know the Facts, after knowing The Facts it becomes as true as eating dinner, takes no faith or belief for that, it's just a Fact, like the Fact that I exist.

[Andrew Crook]

Ah so now you get to determine what is a fact? So much more for the scientific method and all of the progress we've made... 

[SavedByChrist94]

Ah so now you get to determine what is a fact? So much more for the scientific method and all of the progress we've made... 

Nope, Actually Science(Creation ex Nihilo, First Uncaused Cause, The Shroud, "macro-evolution" being a myth, Intelligent Design Fact, Mind-Body Dualism being a Fact/Mind is Immaterial), Philosophy("naturalism" is impossible, Morality), History(The Bible, Jesus Christ Resurrection being a Fact of Life), Logical(Ontological, God has to necessarily exist) determines what is Fact, and Science says that Factually, 100%, God(The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit) exists and The Bible is The Objective Truth.

now, what proof and evidence is there against these Facts?

None.

[dzheremi]

So things are facts because you capitalize them in mid-sentence?

[biro]

Ah so now you get to determine what is a fact? So much more for the scientific method and all of the progress we've made... 

Nope, Actually Science(Creation ex Nihilo, First Uncaused Cause, The Shroud, "macro-evolution" being a myth, Intelligent Design Fact, Mind-Body Dualism being a Fact/Mind is Immaterial), Philosophy("naturalism" is impossible, Morality), History(The Bible, Jesus Christ Resurrection being a Fact of Life), Logical(Ontological, God has to necessarily exist) determines what is Fact, and Science says that Factually, 100%, God(The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit) exists and The Bible is The Objective Truth.

now, what proof and evidence is there against these Facts?

None.

 

You'll never convince anybody of anything if you keep writing garbled paragraphs like this. I have no idea what you are talking about.

[biro]

So things are facts because you capitalize them in mid-sentence?

According to the School of the Interwebs, I guess so.

[SavedByChrist94]

So things are facts because you capitalize them in mid-sentence?

So you could refute what I said by asking an insecure question?

if your going to refute then refute, if you can't then just say it, no need to make yourself look bad. 3 options, Refute, don't refute, or show insecurity by throwing jokes to off put or slide away from a rebuttal.

[SavedByChrist94]

You'll never convince anybody of anything if you keep writing garbled paragraphs like this.

All that was in that post was Facts(First Uncaused Cause and Shroud for example), All I need is Proof, Evidence, and Facts, you and "atheist"'s/"agnostics"/"buddhist"/ and anything contrary to The Gospel can keep your wise cracks to yourself, no place for debate.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Yes you do.

[biro]

Do you speak German as your first language? They capitalize nouns, don't they? Also, it would explain why your command of English, even in these days of the series of tubes called the Interwebs, is so very interesting.

[dzheremi]

So things are facts because you capitalize them in mid-sentence?

So you could refute what I said by asking an insecure question?

if your going to refute then refute, if you can't then just say it, no need to make yourself look bad. 3 options, Refute, don't refute, or show insecurity by throwing jokes to off put or slide away from a rebuttal.

I don't need to refute anything. You're silly and five and go to your room.

[Andrew Crook]

Ah so now you get to determine what is a fact? So much more for the scientific method and all of the progress we've made... 

Nope, Actually Science(Creation ex Nihilo, First Uncaused Cause, The Shroud, "macro-evolution" being a myth, Intelligent Design Fact, Mind-Body Dualism being a Fact/Mind is Immaterial), Philosophy("naturalism" is impossible, Morality), History(The Bible, Jesus Christ Resurrection being a Fact of Life), Logical(Ontological, God has to necessarily exist) determines what is Fact, and Science says that Factually, 100%, God(The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit) exists and The Bible is The Objective Truth.

now, what proof and evidence is there against these Facts?

None.

None of those are sciences, those are only related to theology and therefore cannot be considered objective facts. 

[Andrew Crook]

You'll never convince anybody of anything if you keep writing garbled paragraphs like this.

All that was in that post was Facts(First Uncaused Cause and Shroud for example), All I need is Proof, Evidence, and Facts, you and "atheist"'s/"agnostics"/"buddhist"/ and anything contrary to The Gospel can keep your wise cracks to yourself, no place for debate.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Yes you do.

It gets tiring debating with those who go round in circles, and don't really think carefully about what they're typing...   "Does this make sense?" would be a good question to ask one's self. "Why or why not?"

[Ansgar]

I am 1,000,000% sure that if I were to ever apostate from Orthodoxy, it wouldn't be for another Christian denomination. I am 1,000,000% sure that Orthodoxy is the real deal and the most reasonable Christianity. If I were to ever apostate, it would be to an entirely different religion--probably either Buddhism or atheism.

Neither of which should be called "religions".  Buddhism is very non-theistic, and atheism is a philosophy. 

"buddhism" worships a "budda" and  "atheism" believes in nothingness, both false religions.

There can only be One True Religion and that is Christianity.

It would be closer to the truth to say that they venerate him.  Worship would be inaccurate.  You can study the life of Gautama Buddha, meditate on his statue -- but no one considers him a god.  Although sometimes it may appear as such, and that's because things have a hard time being translated into English from say Tibetan or Pali.

This is true, but it is also true that the majority of buddhists in the world worships spirits and gods.

[Ashman618]

Ah so now you get to determine what is a fact? So much more for the scientific method and all of the progress we've made... 

Nope, Actually Science(Creation ex Nihilo, First Uncaused Cause, The Shroud, "macro-evolution" being a myth, Intelligent Design Fact, Mind-Body Dualism being a Fact/Mind is Immaterial), Philosophy("naturalism" is impossible, Morality), History(The Bible, Jesus Christ Resurrection being a Fact of Life), Logical(Ontological, God has to necessarily exist) determines what is Fact, and Science says that Factually, 100%, God(The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit) exists and The Bible is The Objective Truth.

now, what proof and evidence is there against these Facts?

None.

So your saying science, philosophy, history and logic determines what is fact, correct?

The ressurection of Christ is not in a sense a verifiable fact to some people cuz they can't observe it, so I think that would qualify as a belief, no? So you would have to present the evidence to prove that belief as fact not the other way around, I think

[Jetavan]

I am 1,000,000% sure that if I were to ever apostate from Orthodoxy, it wouldn't be for another Christian denomination. I am 1,000,000% sure that Orthodoxy is the real deal and the most reasonable Christianity. If I were to ever apostate, it would be to an entirely different religion--probably either Buddhism or atheism.

Neither of which should be called "religions".  Buddhism is very non-theistic, and atheism is a philosophy. 

I disagree, both, especially atheism are both religions. Dawkins practices the religion of atheism as an example.

I am 1,000,000% sure that if I were to ever apostate from Orthodoxy, it wouldn't be for another Christian denomination. I am 1,000,000% sure that Orthodoxy is the real deal and the most reasonable Christianity. If I were to ever apostate, it would be to an entirely different religion--probably either Buddhism or atheism.

This is the same for me, I would not and could not leave Orthodoxy unless it was towards an absolute state of atheism. If the Christian God doesn't exist and Orthodoxy isn't try, then no other religion is true and no God exists.

Define "religion"?   I always understood religion to be involving worship of a god, or gods. Atheism is godless by definition, and seeks to worship nothing.

Define "god".

[Ebor]

They worship the liar "buddha"

No they do not and it's a lot more complicated than that with different sorts of Buddhism.  Presuming that you are referring to Siddhartha Gautama who has the title of "Buddha" what statement of his do you think are "lies"?    Have your read any thing about any form of Buddhism and if so can you tell us what they are please?