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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #45 on: December 31, 2012, 03:42:39 PM »

I'm not "officially" a Protestant.

I'll leave a protestant to answer your question there. Or perhaps I might answer it on a later date.

So if you're not a Protestant what are you? You clearly aren't a Roman Catholic or an Eastern Orthodox Christian.

I'm officially a "Catholic", but I disagree with Catholic doctrines (which are rejected by the Eastern Orthodox and Protestants).


Which doctrines do you reject, and why?  What is your authority for your rejection of them?

You know which Catholic doctrines are rejected by the EO and Protestants. Then why ask me?

You said, "I'm officially a "Catholic", but I disagree with Catholic doctrines (which are rejected by the Eastern Orthodox and Protestants)."

I want to know, as a "born-again" Christian (I've never really figured out what that means, exactly, but that's not the question), which doctrines YOU reject and why?  And if you reject them, what is it you're looking for on this board?
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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #46 on: December 31, 2012, 03:44:04 PM »

I'm not "officially" a Protestant.

I'll leave a protestant to answer your question there. Or perhaps I might answer it on a later date.

So if you're not a Protestant what are you? You clearly aren't a Roman Catholic or an Eastern Orthodox Christian.

I'm officially a "Catholic", but I disagree with Catholic doctrines (which are rejected by the Eastern Orthodox and Protestants).


Which doctrines do you reject, and why?  What is your authority for your rejection of them?

You know which Catholic doctrines are rejected by the EO and Protestants. Then why ask me?

So you only reject the doctrines of the Catholics that the EO reject? Doesn't that pretty much make you Eastern Orthodox?

That could be, but one more thing is that I hold to the Five Solas.

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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #47 on: December 31, 2012, 03:47:43 PM »

I'm not "officially" a Protestant.

I'll leave a protestant to answer your question there. Or perhaps I might answer it on a later date.

So if you're not a Protestant what are you? You clearly aren't a Roman Catholic or an Eastern Orthodox Christian.

I'm officially a "Catholic", but I disagree with Catholic doctrines (which are rejected by the Eastern Orthodox and Protestants).


Which doctrines do you reject, and why?  What is your authority for your rejection of them?

You know which Catholic doctrines are rejected by the EO and Protestants. Then why ask me?

So you only reject the doctrines of the Catholics that the EO reject? Doesn't that pretty much make you Eastern Orthodox?

That could be, but one more thing is that I hold to the Five Solas.

Then you're neither Catholic nor Orthodox.  So...what *are* you looking for on this board?  Are you making a sincere inquiry into Orthodoxy?  Looking to find a way to return to the Catholic Church?  Or....?
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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #48 on: December 31, 2012, 03:48:02 PM »
Born again + 5 solas = Protestant

Someone must have missed sending you the memo :)

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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #49 on: December 31, 2012, 03:48:58 PM »

I'm not "officially" a Protestant.

I'll leave a protestant to answer your question there. Or perhaps I might answer it on a later date.

So if you're not a Protestant what are you? You clearly aren't a Roman Catholic or an Eastern Orthodox Christian.

I'm officially a "Catholic", but I disagree with Catholic doctrines (which are rejected by the Eastern Orthodox and Protestants).


Which doctrines do you reject, and why?  What is your authority for your rejection of them?

You know which Catholic doctrines are rejected by the EO and Protestants. Then why ask me?

You said, "I'm officially a "Catholic", but I disagree with Catholic doctrines (which are rejected by the Eastern Orthodox and Protestants)."

I want to know, as a "born-again" Christian (I've never really figured out what that means, exactly, but that's not the question), which doctrines YOU reject and why?  And if you reject them, what is it you're looking for on this board?

It is very surprising that you don't know what born-again means? Please re-read the dialogue between Jesus and Nicodemus?

I don't have time to type all these, but two examples which I reject are Purgatory and the Immaculate Conception of Mary.

What I'm looking for on this board : Nothing... I came here with a question in the OP. That's all.
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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #50 on: December 31, 2012, 03:50:22 PM »

I'm not "officially" a Protestant.

I'll leave a protestant to answer your question there. Or perhaps I might answer it on a later date.

So if you're not a Protestant what are you? You clearly aren't a Roman Catholic or an Eastern Orthodox Christian.

I'm officially a "Catholic", but I disagree with Catholic doctrines (which are rejected by the Eastern Orthodox and Protestants).


Which doctrines do you reject, and why?  What is your authority for your rejection of them?

You know which Catholic doctrines are rejected by the EO and Protestants. Then why ask me?

You said, "I'm officially a "Catholic", but I disagree with Catholic doctrines (which are rejected by the Eastern Orthodox and Protestants)."

I want to know, as a "born-again" Christian (I've never really figured out what that means, exactly, but that's not the question), which doctrines YOU reject and why?  And if you reject them, what is it you're looking for on this board?

It is very surprising that you don't know what born-again means? Please re-read the dialogue between Jesus and Nicodemus?

I don't have time to type all these, but two examples which I reject are be Purgatory and the Immaculate Conception of Mary.

What I'm looking for on this board : Nothing... I came here with a question in the OP. That's all.

Was your question answered to your satisfaction?

(Every "born-again" Christian I've ever come across means something slightly different than every other "born-again" Christian--but, like I said, that's not what's at question here.)
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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #51 on: December 31, 2012, 03:52:06 PM »

I'm not "officially" a Protestant.

I'll leave a protestant to answer your question there. Or perhaps I might answer it on a later date.

So if you're not a Protestant what are you? You clearly aren't a Roman Catholic or an Eastern Orthodox Christian.

I'm officially a "Catholic", but I disagree with Catholic doctrines (which are rejected by the Eastern Orthodox and Protestants).


Which doctrines do you reject, and why?  What is your authority for your rejection of them?

You know which Catholic doctrines are rejected by the EO and Protestants. Then why ask me?

You said, "I'm officially a "Catholic", but I disagree with Catholic doctrines (which are rejected by the Eastern Orthodox and Protestants)."

I want to know, as a "born-again" Christian (I've never really figured out what that means, exactly, but that's not the question), which doctrines YOU reject and why?  And if you reject them, what is it you're looking for on this board?

It is very surprising that you don't know what born-again means? Please re-read the dialogue between Jesus and Nicodemus?

I don't have time to type all these, but two examples which I reject are be Purgatory and the Immaculate Conception of Mary.

What I'm looking for on this board : Nothing... I came here with a question in the OP. That's all.

You may find that popular Protestant interpretation of scripture isn't the actual/original interpretation...

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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #52 on: December 31, 2012, 03:52:53 PM »

I'm not "officially" a Protestant.

I'll leave a protestant to answer your question there. Or perhaps I might answer it on a later date.

So if you're not a Protestant what are you? You clearly aren't a Roman Catholic or an Eastern Orthodox Christian.

I'm officially a "Catholic", but I disagree with Catholic doctrines (which are rejected by the Eastern Orthodox and Protestants).


Which doctrines do you reject, and why?  What is your authority for your rejection of them?

You know which Catholic doctrines are rejected by the EO and Protestants. Then why ask me?

So you only reject the doctrines of the Catholics that the EO reject? Doesn't that pretty much make you Eastern Orthodox?

That could be, but one more thing is that I hold to the Five Solas.

Then you're neither Catholic nor Orthodox.  So...what *are* you looking for on this board?  Are you making a sincere inquiry into Orthodoxy?  Looking to find a way to return to the Catholic Church?  Or....?

I'm still in the Catholic Church. No intention of going to any other Church, because salvation comes by faith in Christ, not by which denomination we belong to.

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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #53 on: December 31, 2012, 03:54:08 PM »
As it is written:

"But even if we, or an angel from heaven, or a protestant website in an obscure corner of the internet preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be anathema."

Ah, well. Ask PeterTheAleut. He has questioned me about the Gospel that I have received on another thread, I gave him the answer and and he has verified that it is the right Gospel that I received. i.e, he did not find any problem with it.
I said no such thing, so please stop putting words into my mouth.
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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #54 on: December 31, 2012, 03:54:54 PM »

I'm not "officially" a Protestant.

I'll leave a protestant to answer your question there. Or perhaps I might answer it on a later date.

So if you're not a Protestant what are you? You clearly aren't a Roman Catholic or an Eastern Orthodox Christian.

I'm officially a "Catholic", but I disagree with Catholic doctrines (which are rejected by the Eastern Orthodox and Protestants).


Which doctrines do you reject, and why?  What is your authority for your rejection of them?

You know which Catholic doctrines are rejected by the EO and Protestants. Then why ask me?

You said, "I'm officially a "Catholic", but I disagree with Catholic doctrines (which are rejected by the Eastern Orthodox and Protestants)."

I want to know, as a "born-again" Christian (I've never really figured out what that means, exactly, but that's not the question), which doctrines YOU reject and why?  And if you reject them, what is it you're looking for on this board?

It is very surprising that you don't know what born-again means? Please re-read the dialogue between Jesus and Nicodemus?

I don't have time to type all these, but two examples which I reject are be Purgatory and the Immaculate Conception of Mary.

What I'm looking for on this board : Nothing... I came here with a question in the OP. That's all.

You may find that popular Protestant interpretation of scripture isn't the actual/original interpretation...

That's why I prefer to go with the Eastern Orthodox's interpretation instead.

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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #55 on: December 31, 2012, 03:55:43 PM »

I'm not "officially" a Protestant.

I'll leave a protestant to answer your question there. Or perhaps I might answer it on a later date.

So if you're not a Protestant what are you? You clearly aren't a Roman Catholic or an Eastern Orthodox Christian.

I'm officially a "Catholic", but I disagree with Catholic doctrines (which are rejected by the Eastern Orthodox and Protestants).


Which doctrines do you reject, and why?  What is your authority for your rejection of them?

You know which Catholic doctrines are rejected by the EO and Protestants. Then why ask me?

So you only reject the doctrines of the Catholics that the EO reject? Doesn't that pretty much make you Eastern Orthodox?

That could be, but one more thing is that I hold to the Five Solas.

Then you're neither Catholic nor Orthodox.  So...what *are* you looking for on this board?  Are you making a sincere inquiry into Orthodoxy?  Looking to find a way to return to the Catholic Church?  Or....?

I'm still in the Catholic Church. No intention of going to any other Church, because salvation comes by faith in Christ, not by which denomination we belong to.

If you don't believe what the Church teaches, you are not really "in" the Church.

Was your question in the OP answered to your satisfaction?  (That shouldn't be difficult to answer.)
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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #56 on: December 31, 2012, 03:57:20 PM »
That's why I prefer to go with the Eastern Orthodox's interpretation instead.

If you would have done so you'd have ditched the five solae long ago.
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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #57 on: December 31, 2012, 03:57:42 PM »
As it is written:

"But even if we, or an angel from heaven, or a protestant website in an obscure corner of the internet preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be anathema."

Ah, well. Ask PeterTheAleut. He has questioned me about the Gospel that I have received on another thread, I gave him the answer and and he has verified that it is the right Gospel that I received. i.e, he did not find any problem with it.
I said no such thing, so please stop putting words into my mouth.

Sorry, but you questioned me about the Gospel and other things in the other thread. You had no issues with my answers.

I didn't put words into your mouth after all, or please be specific as to what words I put into your mouth?

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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #58 on: December 31, 2012, 03:57:58 PM »
That's why I prefer to go with the Eastern Orthodox's interpretation instead.

If you would have done so you'd have ditched the five solae long ago.

Yup.
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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #59 on: December 31, 2012, 03:58:08 PM »
So you hold to some decidedly Protestant beliefs but consider yourself Catholic and go to a Catholic parish but like some of the Orthodox understandings of things.  :angel:

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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #60 on: December 31, 2012, 04:00:06 PM »
That's why I prefer to go with the Eastern Orthodox's interpretation instead.

If you would have done so you'd have ditched the five solae long ago.

I don't know why I did not ditch the solas. But it happened that I did not ditch them afterall.

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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #61 on: December 31, 2012, 04:07:43 PM »
As it is written:

"But even if we, or an angel from heaven, or a protestant website in an obscure corner of the internet preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be anathema."

Ah, well. Ask PeterTheAleut. He has questioned me about the Gospel that I have received on another thread, I gave him the answer and and he has verified that it is the right Gospel that I received. i.e, he did not find any problem with it.
I said no such thing, so please stop putting words into my mouth.

Sorry, but you questioned me about the Gospel and other things in the other thread. You had no issues with my answers.

I didn't put words into your mouth after all, or please be specific as to what words I put into your mouth?
I've done nothing on that other thread but question your understanding of the Gospel, so yes, I've had issues with your answers.

As to you putting words into my mouth, I will tell you what my words mean if you don't understand them correctly. It's not for you to tell me what my words mean then insist that you're right when I correct you. Simply put, I never verified that the Gospel you received is the right one. It's your overwhelming desire for confirmation of your point of view that has led you to see such verification in my responses.
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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #62 on: December 31, 2012, 04:47:10 PM »
That's why I prefer to go with the Eastern Orthodox's interpretation instead.

If you would have done so you'd have ditched the five solae long ago.

I don't know why I did not ditch the solas. But it happened that I did not ditch them afterall.

Do you believe in a Holy/Sacred Tradition?

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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #63 on: December 31, 2012, 04:58:51 PM »
Doctrinally Orthodoxy neither affirms nor denies grace in non-Orthodox sacraments. In practice many of them do recognize the Catholics' Eucharist (but are not allowed to receive it) as doctrinally Catholics do the Orthodox one (but are not normally allowed to receive it, but may ask the Orthodox if there's no Catholic priest; the Orthodox are supposed to say no).
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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #64 on: December 31, 2012, 06:24:56 PM »
So you hold to some decidedly Protestant beliefs but consider yourself Catholic and go to a Catholic parish but like some of the Orthodox understandings of things.  :angel:

Which makes him... (drumroll)... an Episcopalian?  ???

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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #65 on: December 31, 2012, 08:23:45 PM »
So you hold to some decidedly Protestant beliefs but consider yourself Catholic and go to a Catholic parish but like some of the Orthodox understandings of things.  :angel:

Which makes him... (drumroll)... an Episcopalian?  ???

If Episcopalian = confused, then yes.  ;)
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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #66 on: December 31, 2012, 08:54:38 PM »
Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?

If not, why?

No, because transsubstantiation isn't a sacrament.

Okay, I was referring to the consecrated Eucharist in the RCC. Is it a valid Sacrament or not in the eyes of the EOC?

There are not sacraments outside the Orthodox Church. Also, we don't do "valid."
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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #67 on: December 31, 2012, 08:55:48 PM »
Some would say yes, some would say no...

Why the different viewpoints? I thought all the Orthodox Churches (Greek, Russian, Ukrainian...etc) agree with each other on all issues.

On dogma, praxis, and spirituality, yes. This is neither of those things.
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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #68 on: December 31, 2012, 08:58:36 PM »
Some would say yes, some would say no...

Why the different viewpoints? I thought all the Orthodox Churches (Greek, Russian, Ukrainian...etc) agree with each other on all issues.

On dogma, praxis, and spirituality, yes. This is neither of those things.

Come on, now, Shanghaiski....you're forgetting the Sacraments of Souvlaki and Borscht  ;D ;D.
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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #69 on: December 31, 2012, 09:00:46 PM »
Some would say yes, some would say no...

Why the different viewpoints? I thought all the Orthodox Churches (Greek, Russian, Ukrainian...etc) agree with each other on all issues.
Shows how little you truly understand the Orthodox Church.

Well, show me a website to hop around and learn some more.

Rather, go to your local Orthodox parish church for a couple years, meet the priest, befriend members of the congregation. Learn from Orthodoxy in its actual context. A website will not help you understand the Orthodox worldview any better than reading a book about a forest will make you listen to the songs of the birds, the sound of the wind on the leaves, give you the smell of the damp leaves or the taste of the berries.
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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #70 on: December 31, 2012, 09:01:38 PM »
Some would say yes, some would say no...

Why the different viewpoints? I thought all the Orthodox Churches (Greek, Russian, Ukrainian...etc) agree with each other on all issues.

On dogma, praxis, and spirituality, yes. This is neither of those things.

Come on, now, Shanghaiski....you're forgetting the Sacraments of Souvlaki and Borscht  ;D ;D.

Those do not exist outside the Orthodox Church either. Have you ever eaten the Turkish or Croatian equivalents? Yuck!
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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #71 on: December 31, 2012, 09:02:56 PM »
Some would say yes, some would say no...

Why the different viewpoints? I thought all the Orthodox Churches (Greek, Russian, Ukrainian...etc) agree with each other on all issues.
Shows how little you truly understand the Orthodox Church.

Well, show me a website to hop around and learn some more.

Rather, go to your local Orthodox parish church for a couple years, meet the priest, befriend members of the congregation. Learn from Orthodoxy in its actual context. A website will not help you understand the Orthodox worldview any better than reading a book about a forest will make you listen to the songs of the birds, the sound of the wind on the leaves, give you the smell of the damp leaves or the taste of the berries.

Nicely put.

I was beginning to think that kx9 was trolling more than making sincere inquiries.  But that's just my damnable suspicious nature  8).
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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #72 on: December 31, 2012, 09:04:15 PM »
Some would say yes, some would say no...

Why the different viewpoints? I thought all the Orthodox Churches (Greek, Russian, Ukrainian...etc) agree with each other on all issues.

On dogma, praxis, and spirituality, yes. This is neither of those things.

Come on, now, Shanghaiski....you're forgetting the Sacraments of Souvlaki and Borscht  ;D ;D.

Those do not exist outside the Orthodox Church either. Have you ever eaten the Turkish or Croatian equivalents? Yuck!

Oh, but they do...........they thrive with great abundance and exquisite deliciousness in the Eastern Catholic Church!  8)
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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #73 on: December 31, 2012, 09:05:00 PM »
Some would say yes, some would say no...

Why the different viewpoints? I thought all the Orthodox Churches (Greek, Russian, Ukrainian...etc) agree with each other on all issues.
Shows how little you truly understand the Orthodox Church.

Well, show me a website to hop around and learn some more.
Another website is not going to help you if you won't first open your mind to another point of view.

I was a spiritually dead Catholic for many years until a Protestant website opened the Gospel of Jesus to my eyes.

By all means, give me the website and I'll see if the Lord opens my mind to another point of view.

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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #74 on: December 31, 2012, 09:09:38 PM »

I'm not "officially" a Protestant.

I'll leave a protestant to answer your question there. Or perhaps I might answer it on a later date.

So if you're not a Protestant what are you? You clearly aren't a Roman Catholic or an Eastern Orthodox Christian.

I'm officially a "Catholic", but I disagree with Catholic doctrines (which are rejected by the Eastern Orthodox and Protestants).


Maybe you could be more specific? There are Roman Catholic doctrinces accepted by the Orthodox (because they're Orthodox doctrines, too), and there are Roman Catholic doctrines accepted by Protestants but denied by Orthodox, because they're post-schism innovations or proceed from pre-schism exaggerations of the teachings of St. Augustine (for one). There are also Roman Catholic teachings which both Orthodox and Protestants reject, but sometimes in different significant ways.
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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #75 on: December 31, 2012, 09:15:08 PM »
Some would say yes, some would say no...

Why the different viewpoints? I thought all the Orthodox Churches (Greek, Russian, Ukrainian...etc) agree with each other on all issues.

On dogma, praxis, and spirituality, yes. This is neither of those things.

Come on, now, Shanghaiski....you're forgetting the Sacraments of Souvlaki and Borscht  ;D ;D.

Those do not exist outside the Orthodox Church either. Have you ever eaten the Turkish or Croatian equivalents? Yuck!

Oh, but they do...........they thrive with great abundance and exquisite deliciousness in the Eastern Catholic Church!  8)

The MSG of papal submission. Tastes good for awhile, then leads to headaches and eventually a long painful death.
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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #76 on: December 31, 2012, 11:32:49 PM »
Some would say yes, some would say no...

Why the different viewpoints? I thought all the Orthodox Churches (Greek, Russian, Ukrainian...etc) agree with each other on all issues.

On dogma, praxis, and spirituality, yes. This is neither of those things.

Come on, now, Shanghaiski....you're forgetting the Sacraments of Souvlaki and Borscht  ;D ;D.

Those do not exist outside the Orthodox Church either. Have you ever eaten the Turkish or Croatian equivalents? Yuck!

Oh, but they do...........they thrive with great abundance and exquisite deliciousness in the Eastern Catholic Church!  8)

The MSG of papal submission. Tastes good for awhile, then leads to headaches and eventually a long painful death.

A death awaits us all.  I know MSG when I eat it--so I don't.  Our souvlaki and borscht can compete with *anything* you can put on the table.  What we lack in numbers, we make up for in quality.  ;)

Wishing you a happy, prosperous, and very blessed 2013!

In Christ,
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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #77 on: December 31, 2012, 11:51:10 PM »
I don't know if there is an authoritive teaching of the Church on it, but in my personal opinion, I do not think it is valid. The Eucharist is the ultimate symbol of unity--it is the glue that bonds us together as Orthodox Christians. It is how we are joined to Christ. There is only one Christ and that Christ is not divided, and there is only one proper faith about that Christ. I do not think that people who are not a part of the Church can legitimately prepare and receive the Eucharist and be united to Christ--that's a privilege and great responsibility that God has only bestowed upon us Orthodox Christians who adhere to the proper faith and have the authority via apostolic succession.
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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #78 on: January 04, 2013, 01:37:58 PM »

I'm not "officially" a Protestant.

I'll leave a protestant to answer your question there. Or perhaps I might answer it on a later date.

So if you're not a Protestant what are you? You clearly aren't a Roman Catholic or an Eastern Orthodox Christian.

I'm officially a "Catholic", but I disagree with Catholic doctrines (which are rejected by the Eastern Orthodox and Protestants).


Which doctrines do you reject, and why?  What is your authority for your rejection of them?

You know which Catholic doctrines are rejected by the EO and Protestants. Then why ask me?

So you only reject the doctrines of the Catholics that the EO reject? Doesn't that pretty much make you Eastern Orthodox?

That could be, but one more thing is that I hold to the Five Solas.
The ironic thing about sola scriptura is that it is not biblical.


I'm not "officially" a Protestant.

I'll leave a protestant to answer your question there. Or perhaps I might answer it on a later date.

So if you're not a Protestant what are you? You clearly aren't a Roman Catholic or an Eastern Orthodox Christian.

I'm officially a "Catholic", but I disagree with Catholic doctrines (which are rejected by the Eastern Orthodox and Protestants).


Which doctrines do you reject, and why?  What is your authority for your rejection of them?

You know which Catholic doctrines are rejected by the EO and Protestants. Then why ask me?

So you only reject the doctrines of the Catholics that the EO reject? Doesn't that pretty much make you Eastern Orthodox?

That could be, but one more thing is that I hold to the Five Solas.

Then you're neither Catholic nor Orthodox.  So...what *are* you looking for on this board?  Are you making a sincere inquiry into Orthodoxy?  Looking to find a way to return to the Catholic Church?  Or....?

I'm still in the Catholic Church. No intention of going to any other Church, because salvation comes by faith in Christ, not by which denomination we belong to.
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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #79 on: January 04, 2013, 03:03:32 PM »
A death awaits us all.  I know MSG when I eat it--so I don't.  Our souvlaki and borscht can compete with *anything* you can put on the table.  What we lack in numbers, we make up for in quality.  ;)

Wishing you a happy, prosperous, and very blessed 2013!

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MSG has no long term effects, a study from a couple of years ago said.

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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #80 on: January 04, 2013, 03:04:58 PM »
I don't know if there is an authoritive teaching of the Church on it, but in my personal opinion, I do not think it is valid. The Eucharist is the ultimate symbol of unity--it is the glue that bonds us together as Orthodox Christians. It is how we are joined to Christ. There is only one Christ and that Christ is not divided, and there is only one proper faith about that Christ. I do not think that people who are not a part of the Church can legitimately prepare and receive the Eucharist and be united to Christ--that's a privilege and great responsibility that God has only bestowed upon us Orthodox Christians who adhere to the proper faith and have the authority via apostolic succession.

I believe there is no official stand from the Orthodox Church.  Why do we need to worry about its validity when we don't partake of their Eucharist anyway?

As an outgoing Catholic, I personally believe that Christ is indeed in the Eucharist of the Catholic Church.  But that is my personal opinion.  I don't expect the Orthodox to agree with me.

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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #81 on: January 04, 2013, 08:05:50 PM »
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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #82 on: January 04, 2013, 08:28:15 PM »
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The MSG of papal submission. Tastes good for awhile, then leads to headaches and eventually a long painful death.

Once again, the love and respect and forgiveness just overflows on this board.  :P

Biro, I can't keep up if you're RC or EO. Not that it matters, but which is it?!

I'm going to need this.

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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #83 on: January 04, 2013, 08:30:18 PM »
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The MSG of papal submission. Tastes good for awhile, then leads to headaches and eventually a long painful death.

Once again, the love and respect and forgiveness just overflows on this board.  :P

Biro, I can't keep up if you're RC or EO. Not that it matters, but which is it?!

Why do you care?

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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #84 on: January 04, 2013, 08:31:35 PM »
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The MSG of papal submission. Tastes good for awhile, then leads to headaches and eventually a long painful death.

Once again, the love and respect and forgiveness just overflows on this board.  :P

Biro, I can't keep up if you're RC or EO. Not that it matters, but which is it?!

Why do you care?

Just curious...  :-\ :'(

I'm going to need this.

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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #85 on: January 04, 2013, 08:35:24 PM »
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The MSG of papal submission. Tastes good for awhile, then leads to headaches and eventually a long painful death.

Once again, the love and respect and forgiveness just overflows on this board.  :P

Biro, I can't keep up if you're RC or EO. Not that it matters, but which is it?!

Why do you care?

Just curious...  :-\ :'(

If it helps, after what I've been through in the last three years, I don't know either.  :-X

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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #86 on: January 04, 2013, 08:39:05 PM »
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The MSG of papal submission. Tastes good for awhile, then leads to headaches and eventually a long painful death.

Once again, the love and respect and forgiveness just overflows on this board.  :P

Biro, I can't keep up if you're RC or EO. Not that it matters, but which is it?!

Why do you care?

Just curious...  :-\ :'(

If it helps, after what I've been through in the last three years, I don't know either.  :-X

That's valid. I don't know either. Hence, the cynical faith.

I'm going to need this.

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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #87 on: January 04, 2013, 08:40:30 PM »
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The MSG of papal submission. Tastes good for awhile, then leads to headaches and eventually a long painful death.

Once again, the love and respect and forgiveness just overflows on this board.  :P

Biro, I can't keep up if you're RC or EO. Not that it matters, but which is it?!

Why do you care?

Just curious...  :-\ :'(

If it helps, after what I've been through in the last three years, I don't know either.  :-X

That's valid. I don't know either. Hence, the cynical faith.

Thank you.

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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #88 on: January 04, 2013, 09:27:53 PM »
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The MSG of papal submission. Tastes good for awhile, then leads to headaches and eventually a long painful death.

Once again, the love and respect and forgiveness just overflows on this board.  :P

Biro, I can't keep up if you're RC or EO. Not that it matters, but which is it?!

Why do you care?

Just curious...  :-\ :'(

If it helps, after what I've been through in the last three years, I don't know either.  :-X
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Re: Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?
« Reply #89 on: January 04, 2013, 09:31:34 PM »
Thank you. I will think about it.