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« on: December 31, 2012, 02:32:36 PM »

Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?

If not, why?
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« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2012, 02:38:25 PM »

Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?

If not, why?
The Roman Catholic Church does not name Transubstantiation as a Sacrament; rather, Transubstantiation is merely a Latin way of defining how the consecrated bread and wine of the Eucharist is the Body and Blood of Christ, a way of describing the Real Presence.
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« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2012, 02:40:10 PM »

Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?

If not, why?

No, because transsubstantiation isn't a sacrament.
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« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2012, 02:42:12 PM »

Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?

If not, why?
The Roman Catholic Church does not name Transubstantiation as a Sacrament; rather, Transubstantiation is merely a Latin way of defining how the consecrated bread and wine of the Eucharist is the Body and Blood of Christ, a way of describing the Real Presence.

Ah, okay, I was referring to the consecrated Eucharist in the RCC.

Is the RCC's Eucharist a valid Sacrament (in the eyes of the EOC)?
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« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2012, 02:43:15 PM »

Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?

If not, why?

No, because transsubstantiation isn't a sacrament.

Okay, I was referring to the consecrated Eucharist in the RCC. Is it a valid Sacrament or not in the eyes of the EOC?
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« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2012, 02:45:26 PM »

It depends. I don't but some do. It doesn't really matter since we shouldn't partake in RC Eucharist.
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« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2012, 02:46:18 PM »

Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?

If not, why?

No, because transsubstantiation isn't a sacrament.

Okay, I was referring to the consecrated Eucharist in the RCC. Is it a valid Sacrament or not in the eyes of the EOC?

IIRC they don't have any official viewpoint on it.
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« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2012, 02:49:35 PM »

Some would say yes, some would say no...
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« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2012, 02:53:52 PM »

Some would say yes, some would say no...

Why the different viewpoints? I thought all the Orthodox Churches (Greek, Russian, Ukrainian...etc) agree with each other on all issues.
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« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2012, 02:55:50 PM »

Why the different viewpoints? I thought all the Orthodox Churches (Greek, Russian, Ukrainian...etc) agree with each other on all issues.

Nope, Greeks like souvlaki better, the Russians prefer borscht.
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« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2012, 02:56:00 PM »

Some would say yes, some would say no...

Why the different viewpoints? I thought all the Orthodox Churches (Greek, Russian, Ukrainian...etc) agree with each other on all issues.

 laugh laugh

Well...some would say yes, some would say no... Grin
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« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2012, 03:01:13 PM »

Why the different viewpoints? I thought all the Orthodox Churches (Greek, Russian, Ukrainian...etc) agree with each other on all issues.

Nope, Greeks like souvlaki better, the Russians prefer borscht.

Souvlaki and borscht have no connection with Christianity.

That post was about the different Orthodox Churches's view of doctrinal issues and religious matters. Souvlaki and borscht excluded here.
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« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2012, 03:03:25 PM »

Some would say yes, some would say no...

Why the different viewpoints? I thought all the Orthodox Churches (Greek, Russian, Ukrainian...etc) agree with each other on all issues.
Shows how little you truly understand the Orthodox Church.

BTW, if you want to define as "all issues" all issues dogmatic, then please say so. Otherwise, "all issues" means everything, including whether to eat souvlaki or borscht.
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« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2012, 03:04:07 PM »

Some would say yes, some would say no...

Why the different viewpoints? I thought all the Orthodox Churches (Greek, Russian, Ukrainian...etc) agree with each other on all issues.

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Well...some would say yes, some would say no... Grin

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« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2012, 03:05:13 PM »

That post was about the different Orthodox Churches's view of doctrinal issues and religious matters. Souvlaki and borscht excluded here.

Why should the EO have an official position on the RC Eucharist? Should they have an official position on the Lutheran and Anglican Eucharist as well?
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« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2012, 03:05:31 PM »

Some would say yes, some would say no...

Why the different viewpoints? I thought all the Orthodox Churches (Greek, Russian, Ukrainian...etc) agree with each other on all issues.

The Orthodox agree on dogmatic matters. On non-dogmatic matters there is some leeway, as with practical matters. So far as I understand, up to this point God has chosen to let things remain muddy when it comes to things like the Catholics having grace-filled sacraments. My patron saint is turning over in his grave right now, but I think it's so. There simply is a difference of opinions (more than two, btw) on this subject.
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« Reply #16 on: December 31, 2012, 03:05:58 PM »

Why the different viewpoints? I thought all the Orthodox Churches (Greek, Russian, Ukrainian...etc) agree with each other on all issues.

Nope, Greeks like souvlaki better, the Russians prefer borscht.

Souvlaki and borscht have no connection with Christianity.

That post was about the different Orthodox Churches's view of doctrinal issues and religious matters. Souvlaki and borscht excluded here.

Wait a minute.... Shocked  Are you telling us that souvlaki and borscht are *not* Sacraments  Huh Shocked Huh  IS OUTRAGE!!!!
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« Reply #17 on: December 31, 2012, 03:06:30 PM »

My patron saint is turning over in his grave right now

Now you've gotten me all curious. Who's rolling in his grave?
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« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2012, 03:07:31 PM »

Some would say yes, some would say no...

Why the different viewpoints? I thought all the Orthodox Churches (Greek, Russian, Ukrainian...etc) agree with each other on all issues.
Shows how little you truly understand the Orthodox Church.

Well, show me a website to hop around and learn some more.
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« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2012, 03:07:46 PM »

My patron saint is turning over in his grave right now

Now you've gotten me all curious. Who's rolling in his grave?

His patron saint.  Cool
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« Reply #20 on: December 31, 2012, 03:08:10 PM »

Some would say yes, some would say no...

Why the different viewpoints? I thought all the Orthodox Churches (Greek, Russian, Ukrainian...etc) agree with each other on all issues.
Shows how little you truly understand the Orthodox Church.

Well, show me a website to hop around and learn some more.

Asking for a website to learn about Orthodoxy? Shows how little you truly understand the Orthodox Church.

My patron saint is turning over in his grave right now

Now you've gotten me all curious. Who's rolling in his grave?

His patron saint.  Cool

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« Reply #21 on: December 31, 2012, 03:09:48 PM »

Why the different viewpoints? I thought all the Orthodox Churches (Greek, Russian, Ukrainian...etc) agree with each other on all issues.

Nope, Greeks like souvlaki better, the Russians prefer borscht.

Souvlaki and borscht have no connection with Christianity.

That post was about the different Orthodox Churches's view of doctrinal issues and religious matters. Souvlaki and borscht excluded here.

Wait a minute.... Shocked  Are you telling us that souvlaki and borscht are *not* Sacraments  Huh Shocked Huh  IS OUTRAGE!!!!

Sorry, I haven't heard of souvlaki and borscht in the Orthodox Church.

I looked them up in a dictionary.

Souvlaki : Any of various Greek dishes made with lamb grilled on a skewer

Borscht : A Russian or Polish soup usually containing beet juice as a foundation


I fail to see how these are Sacraments. Please enlighten me.
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« Reply #22 on: December 31, 2012, 03:09:55 PM »

Some would say yes, some would say no...

Why the different viewpoints? I thought all the Orthodox Churches (Greek, Russian, Ukrainian...etc) agree with each other on all issues.
Shows how little you truly understand the Orthodox Church.

Well, show me a website to hop around and learn some more.

What, precisely, is it that you want to learn?

Why don't you try some books first?  Or..attend Divine Liturgy and/or Mass and talk with a priest.  And read some books.
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« Reply #23 on: December 31, 2012, 03:10:57 PM »

Why the different viewpoints? I thought all the Orthodox Churches (Greek, Russian, Ukrainian...etc) agree with each other on all issues.

Nope, Greeks like souvlaki better, the Russians prefer borscht.

Souvlaki and borscht have no connection with Christianity.

That post was about the different Orthodox Churches's view of doctrinal issues and religious matters. Souvlaki and borscht excluded here.

Wait a minute.... Shocked  Are you telling us that souvlaki and borscht are *not* Sacraments  Huh Shocked Huh  IS OUTRAGE!!!!

Sorry, I haven't heard of souvlaki and borscht in the Orthodox Church.

I looked them up in a dictionary.

Souvlaki : Any of various Greek dishes made with lamb grilled on a skewer

Borscht : A Russian or Polish soup usually containing beet juice as a foundation


I fail to see how these are Sacraments. Please enlighten me.

It was a joke.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #24 on: December 31, 2012, 03:16:25 PM »

Some would say yes, some would say no...

Why the different viewpoints? I thought all the Orthodox Churches (Greek, Russian, Ukrainian...etc) agree with each other on all issues.
Shows how little you truly understand the Orthodox Church.

Well, show me a website to hop around and learn some more.
Another website is not going to help you if you won't first open your mind to another point of view.
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Sorry, I haven't heard of souvlaki and borscht in the Orthodox Church.

I looked them up in a dictionary.

Souvlaki : Any of various Greek dishes made with lamb grilled on a skewer

Borscht : A Russian or Polish soup usually containing beet juice as a foundation


I fail to see how these are Sacraments. Please enlighten me.

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« Reply #26 on: December 31, 2012, 03:18:32 PM »

Some would say yes, some would say no...

Why the different viewpoints? I thought all the Orthodox Churches (Greek, Russian, Ukrainian...etc) agree with each other on all issues.
Shows how little you truly understand the Orthodox Church.

BTW, if you want to define as "all issues" all issues dogmatic, then please say so. Otherwise, "all issues" means everything, including whether to eat souvlaki or borscht.

Alright. I press the "all issues dogmatic" button. What next?
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« Reply #27 on: December 31, 2012, 03:20:59 PM »

Some would say yes, some would say no...

Why the different viewpoints? I thought all the Orthodox Churches (Greek, Russian, Ukrainian...etc) agree with each other on all issues.
Shows how little you truly understand the Orthodox Church.

BTW, if you want to define as "all issues" all issues dogmatic, then please say so. Otherwise, "all issues" means everything, including whether to eat souvlaki or borscht.

Alright. I press the "all issues dogmatic" button. What next?
Maybe take some time to answer my last question on this thread: http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,48961.0.html  Wink
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« Reply #28 on: December 31, 2012, 03:22:22 PM »

Some would say yes, some would say no...

Why the different viewpoints? I thought all the Orthodox Churches (Greek, Russian, Ukrainian...etc) agree with each other on all issues.
Shows how little you truly understand the Orthodox Church.

Well, show me a website to hop around and learn some more.
Another website is not going to help you if you won't first open your mind to another point of view.

I was a spiritually dead Catholic for many years until a Protestant website opened the Gospel of Jesus to my eyes.

By all means, give me the website and I'll see if the Lord opens my mind to another point of view.
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Some would say yes, some would say no...

Why the different viewpoints? I thought all the Orthodox Churches (Greek, Russian, Ukrainian...etc) agree with each other on all issues.
Shows how little you truly understand the Orthodox Church.

BTW, if you want to define as "all issues" all issues dogmatic, then please say so. Otherwise, "all issues" means everything, including whether to eat souvlaki or borscht.

Alright. I press the "all issues dogmatic" button. What next?
Maybe take some time to answer my last question on this thread: http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,48961.0.html  Wink

I'm not "officially" a Protestant.

I'll leave a protestant to answer your question there. Or perhaps I might answer it on a later date.
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I'm not "officially" a Protestant.

I'll leave a protestant to answer your question there. Or perhaps I might answer it on a later date.

So if you're not a Protestant what are you? You clearly aren't a Roman Catholic or an Eastern Orthodox Christian.
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« Reply #33 on: December 31, 2012, 03:28:23 PM »

Some would say yes, some would say no...

Why the different viewpoints? I thought all the Orthodox Churches (Greek, Russian, Ukrainian...etc) agree with each other on all issues.
Shows how little you truly understand the Orthodox Church.

BTW, if you want to define as "all issues" all issues dogmatic, then please say so. Otherwise, "all issues" means everything, including whether to eat souvlaki or borscht.

Alright. I press the "all issues dogmatic" button. What next?
Maybe take some time to answer my last question on this thread: http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,48961.0.html  Wink

I'm not "officially" a Protestant.

I'll leave a protestant to answer your question there. Or perhaps I might answer it on a later date.
I asked you the question based on what you shared of your point of view. Therefore, only an answer from you will satisfy the curiosity that prompted my question.
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I'm not "officially" a Protestant.

I'll leave a protestant to answer your question there. Or perhaps I might answer it on a later date.

So if you're not a Protestant what are you? You clearly aren't a Roman Catholic or an Eastern Orthodox Christian.

He's a formerly spiritually dead Catholic with eyes opened by Protestant website Gospel un-official not really a Protestant Protestant Catholic inquiring about...uh...something.  Or something like that. Wink
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« Reply #36 on: December 31, 2012, 03:35:16 PM »

Some would say yes, some would say no...

Why the different viewpoints? I thought all the Orthodox Churches (Greek, Russian, Ukrainian...etc) agree with each other on all issues.
Shows how little you truly understand the Orthodox Church.

Well, show me a website to hop around and learn some more.
Another website is not going to help you if you won't first open your mind to another point of view.

I was a spiritually dead Catholic for many years until a Protestant website opened the Gospel of Jesus to my eyes.

By all means, give me the website and I'll see if the Lord opens my mind to another point of view.
You're on a website where you can learn more about the Orthodox Church if only you will open your mind to what others here say and stop dodging those questions you find hard to answer.
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I'm not "officially" a Protestant.

I'll leave a protestant to answer your question there. Or perhaps I might answer it on a later date.

So if you're not a Protestant what are you? You clearly aren't a Roman Catholic or an Eastern Orthodox Christian.

I'm officially a "Catholic", but I disagree with Catholic doctrines (which are rejected by the Eastern Orthodox and Protestants).
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« Reply #39 on: December 31, 2012, 03:36:32 PM »

As it is written:

"But even if we, or an angel from heaven, or a protestant website in an obscure corner of the internet preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be anathema."
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« Reply #40 on: December 31, 2012, 03:37:31 PM »


I'm not "officially" a Protestant.

I'll leave a protestant to answer your question there. Or perhaps I might answer it on a later date.

So if you're not a Protestant what are you? You clearly aren't a Roman Catholic or an Eastern Orthodox Christian.

I'm officially a "Catholic", but I disagree with Catholic doctrines (which are rejected by the Eastern Orthodox and Protestants).


Which doctrines do you reject, and why?  What is your authority for your rejection of them?
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I'm not "officially" a Protestant.

I'll leave a protestant to answer your question there. Or perhaps I might answer it on a later date.

So if you're not a Protestant what are you? You clearly aren't a Roman Catholic or an Eastern Orthodox Christian.

He's a formerly spiritually dead Catholic with eyes opened by Protestant website Gospel un-official not really a Protestant Protestant Catholic inquiring about...uh...something.  Or something like that. Wink

I'm a born-again Christian.
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I'm not "officially" a Protestant.

I'll leave a protestant to answer your question there. Or perhaps I might answer it on a later date.

So if you're not a Protestant what are you? You clearly aren't a Roman Catholic or an Eastern Orthodox Christian.

I'm officially a "Catholic", but I disagree with Catholic doctrines (which are rejected by the Eastern Orthodox and Protestants).


Which doctrines do you reject, and why?  What is your authority for your rejection of them?

You know which Catholic doctrines are rejected by the EO and Protestants. Then why ask me?
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« Reply #43 on: December 31, 2012, 03:40:43 PM »


I'm not "officially" a Protestant.

I'll leave a protestant to answer your question there. Or perhaps I might answer it on a later date.

So if you're not a Protestant what are you? You clearly aren't a Roman Catholic or an Eastern Orthodox Christian.

I'm officially a "Catholic", but I disagree with Catholic doctrines (which are rejected by the Eastern Orthodox and Protestants).


Which doctrines do you reject, and why?  What is your authority for your rejection of them?

You know which Catholic doctrines are rejected by the EO and Protestants. Then why ask me?

So you only reject the doctrines of the Catholics that the EO reject? Doesn't that pretty much make you Eastern Orthodox?

I'm a born-again Christian.

So am I. I was baptised a few weeks or so after my birth so my being born-again followed pretty quickly on me being born.
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« Reply #44 on: December 31, 2012, 03:41:23 PM »

As it is written:

"But even if we, or an angel from heaven, or a protestant website in an obscure corner of the internet preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be anathema."

Ah, well. Ask PeterTheAleut. He has questioned me about the Gospel that I have received on another thread, I gave him the answer and and he has verified that it is the right Gospel that I received. i.e, he did not find any problem with it.
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« Reply #45 on: December 31, 2012, 03:42:39 PM »


I'm not "officially" a Protestant.

I'll leave a protestant to answer your question there. Or perhaps I might answer it on a later date.

So if you're not a Protestant what are you? You clearly aren't a Roman Catholic or an Eastern Orthodox Christian.

I'm officially a "Catholic", but I disagree with Catholic doctrines (which are rejected by the Eastern Orthodox and Protestants).


Which doctrines do you reject, and why?  What is your authority for your rejection of them?

You know which Catholic doctrines are rejected by the EO and Protestants. Then why ask me?

You said, "I'm officially a "Catholic", but I disagree with Catholic doctrines (which are rejected by the Eastern Orthodox and Protestants)."

I want to know, as a "born-again" Christian (I've never really figured out what that means, exactly, but that's not the question), which doctrines YOU reject and why?  And if you reject them, what is it you're looking for on this board?
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« Reply #46 on: December 31, 2012, 03:44:04 PM »


I'm not "officially" a Protestant.

I'll leave a protestant to answer your question there. Or perhaps I might answer it on a later date.

So if you're not a Protestant what are you? You clearly aren't a Roman Catholic or an Eastern Orthodox Christian.

I'm officially a "Catholic", but I disagree with Catholic doctrines (which are rejected by the Eastern Orthodox and Protestants).


Which doctrines do you reject, and why?  What is your authority for your rejection of them?

You know which Catholic doctrines are rejected by the EO and Protestants. Then why ask me?

So you only reject the doctrines of the Catholics that the EO reject? Doesn't that pretty much make you Eastern Orthodox?

That could be, but one more thing is that I hold to the Five Solas.
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« Reply #47 on: December 31, 2012, 03:47:43 PM »


I'm not "officially" a Protestant.

I'll leave a protestant to answer your question there. Or perhaps I might answer it on a later date.

So if you're not a Protestant what are you? You clearly aren't a Roman Catholic or an Eastern Orthodox Christian.

I'm officially a "Catholic", but I disagree with Catholic doctrines (which are rejected by the Eastern Orthodox and Protestants).


Which doctrines do you reject, and why?  What is your authority for your rejection of them?

You know which Catholic doctrines are rejected by the EO and Protestants. Then why ask me?

So you only reject the doctrines of the Catholics that the EO reject? Doesn't that pretty much make you Eastern Orthodox?

That could be, but one more thing is that I hold to the Five Solas.

Then you're neither Catholic nor Orthodox.  So...what *are* you looking for on this board?  Are you making a sincere inquiry into Orthodoxy?  Looking to find a way to return to the Catholic Church?  Or....?
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« Reply #48 on: December 31, 2012, 03:48:02 PM »

Born again + 5 solas = Protestant

Someone must have missed sending you the memo Smiley
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« Reply #49 on: December 31, 2012, 03:48:58 PM »


I'm not "officially" a Protestant.

I'll leave a protestant to answer your question there. Or perhaps I might answer it on a later date.

So if you're not a Protestant what are you? You clearly aren't a Roman Catholic or an Eastern Orthodox Christian.

I'm officially a "Catholic", but I disagree with Catholic doctrines (which are rejected by the Eastern Orthodox and Protestants).


Which doctrines do you reject, and why?  What is your authority for your rejection of them?

You know which Catholic doctrines are rejected by the EO and Protestants. Then why ask me?

You said, "I'm officially a "Catholic", but I disagree with Catholic doctrines (which are rejected by the Eastern Orthodox and Protestants)."

I want to know, as a "born-again" Christian (I've never really figured out what that means, exactly, but that's not the question), which doctrines YOU reject and why?  And if you reject them, what is it you're looking for on this board?

It is very surprising that you don't know what born-again means? Please re-read the dialogue between Jesus and Nicodemus?

I don't have time to type all these, but two examples which I reject are Purgatory and the Immaculate Conception of Mary.

What I'm looking for on this board : Nothing... I came here with a question in the OP. That's all.
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« Reply #50 on: December 31, 2012, 03:50:22 PM »


I'm not "officially" a Protestant.

I'll leave a protestant to answer your question there. Or perhaps I might answer it on a later date.

So if you're not a Protestant what are you? You clearly aren't a Roman Catholic or an Eastern Orthodox Christian.

I'm officially a "Catholic", but I disagree with Catholic doctrines (which are rejected by the Eastern Orthodox and Protestants).


Which doctrines do you reject, and why?  What is your authority for your rejection of them?

You know which Catholic doctrines are rejected by the EO and Protestants. Then why ask me?

You said, "I'm officially a "Catholic", but I disagree with Catholic doctrines (which are rejected by the Eastern Orthodox and Protestants)."

I want to know, as a "born-again" Christian (I've never really figured out what that means, exactly, but that's not the question), which doctrines YOU reject and why?  And if you reject them, what is it you're looking for on this board?

It is very surprising that you don't know what born-again means? Please re-read the dialogue between Jesus and Nicodemus?

I don't have time to type all these, but two examples which I reject are be Purgatory and the Immaculate Conception of Mary.

What I'm looking for on this board : Nothing... I came here with a question in the OP. That's all.

Was your question answered to your satisfaction?

(Every "born-again" Christian I've ever come across means something slightly different than every other "born-again" Christian--but, like I said, that's not what's at question here.)
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« Reply #51 on: December 31, 2012, 03:52:06 PM »


I'm not "officially" a Protestant.

I'll leave a protestant to answer your question there. Or perhaps I might answer it on a later date.

So if you're not a Protestant what are you? You clearly aren't a Roman Catholic or an Eastern Orthodox Christian.

I'm officially a "Catholic", but I disagree with Catholic doctrines (which are rejected by the Eastern Orthodox and Protestants).


Which doctrines do you reject, and why?  What is your authority for your rejection of them?

You know which Catholic doctrines are rejected by the EO and Protestants. Then why ask me?

You said, "I'm officially a "Catholic", but I disagree with Catholic doctrines (which are rejected by the Eastern Orthodox and Protestants)."

I want to know, as a "born-again" Christian (I've never really figured out what that means, exactly, but that's not the question), which doctrines YOU reject and why?  And if you reject them, what is it you're looking for on this board?

It is very surprising that you don't know what born-again means? Please re-read the dialogue between Jesus and Nicodemus?

I don't have time to type all these, but two examples which I reject are be Purgatory and the Immaculate Conception of Mary.

What I'm looking for on this board : Nothing... I came here with a question in the OP. That's all.

You may find that popular Protestant interpretation of scripture isn't the actual/original interpretation...
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« Reply #52 on: December 31, 2012, 03:52:53 PM »


I'm not "officially" a Protestant.

I'll leave a protestant to answer your question there. Or perhaps I might answer it on a later date.

So if you're not a Protestant what are you? You clearly aren't a Roman Catholic or an Eastern Orthodox Christian.

I'm officially a "Catholic", but I disagree with Catholic doctrines (which are rejected by the Eastern Orthodox and Protestants).


Which doctrines do you reject, and why?  What is your authority for your rejection of them?

You know which Catholic doctrines are rejected by the EO and Protestants. Then why ask me?

So you only reject the doctrines of the Catholics that the EO reject? Doesn't that pretty much make you Eastern Orthodox?

That could be, but one more thing is that I hold to the Five Solas.

Then you're neither Catholic nor Orthodox.  So...what *are* you looking for on this board?  Are you making a sincere inquiry into Orthodoxy?  Looking to find a way to return to the Catholic Church?  Or....?

I'm still in the Catholic Church. No intention of going to any other Church, because salvation comes by faith in Christ, not by which denomination we belong to.
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« Reply #53 on: December 31, 2012, 03:54:08 PM »

As it is written:

"But even if we, or an angel from heaven, or a protestant website in an obscure corner of the internet preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be anathema."

Ah, well. Ask PeterTheAleut. He has questioned me about the Gospel that I have received on another thread, I gave him the answer and and he has verified that it is the right Gospel that I received. i.e, he did not find any problem with it.
I said no such thing, so please stop putting words into my mouth.
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« Reply #54 on: December 31, 2012, 03:54:54 PM »


I'm not "officially" a Protestant.

I'll leave a protestant to answer your question there. Or perhaps I might answer it on a later date.

So if you're not a Protestant what are you? You clearly aren't a Roman Catholic or an Eastern Orthodox Christian.

I'm officially a "Catholic", but I disagree with Catholic doctrines (which are rejected by the Eastern Orthodox and Protestants).


Which doctrines do you reject, and why?  What is your authority for your rejection of them?

You know which Catholic doctrines are rejected by the EO and Protestants. Then why ask me?

You said, "I'm officially a "Catholic", but I disagree with Catholic doctrines (which are rejected by the Eastern Orthodox and Protestants)."

I want to know, as a "born-again" Christian (I've never really figured out what that means, exactly, but that's not the question), which doctrines YOU reject and why?  And if you reject them, what is it you're looking for on this board?

It is very surprising that you don't know what born-again means? Please re-read the dialogue between Jesus and Nicodemus?

I don't have time to type all these, but two examples which I reject are be Purgatory and the Immaculate Conception of Mary.

What I'm looking for on this board : Nothing... I came here with a question in the OP. That's all.

You may find that popular Protestant interpretation of scripture isn't the actual/original interpretation...

That's why I prefer to go with the Eastern Orthodox's interpretation instead.
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« Reply #55 on: December 31, 2012, 03:55:43 PM »


I'm not "officially" a Protestant.

I'll leave a protestant to answer your question there. Or perhaps I might answer it on a later date.

So if you're not a Protestant what are you? You clearly aren't a Roman Catholic or an Eastern Orthodox Christian.

I'm officially a "Catholic", but I disagree with Catholic doctrines (which are rejected by the Eastern Orthodox and Protestants).


Which doctrines do you reject, and why?  What is your authority for your rejection of them?

You know which Catholic doctrines are rejected by the EO and Protestants. Then why ask me?

So you only reject the doctrines of the Catholics that the EO reject? Doesn't that pretty much make you Eastern Orthodox?

That could be, but one more thing is that I hold to the Five Solas.

Then you're neither Catholic nor Orthodox.  So...what *are* you looking for on this board?  Are you making a sincere inquiry into Orthodoxy?  Looking to find a way to return to the Catholic Church?  Or....?

I'm still in the Catholic Church. No intention of going to any other Church, because salvation comes by faith in Christ, not by which denomination we belong to.

If you don't believe what the Church teaches, you are not really "in" the Church.

Was your question in the OP answered to your satisfaction?  (That shouldn't be difficult to answer.)
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« Reply #56 on: December 31, 2012, 03:57:20 PM »

That's why I prefer to go with the Eastern Orthodox's interpretation instead.

If you would have done so you'd have ditched the five solae long ago.
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« Reply #57 on: December 31, 2012, 03:57:42 PM »

As it is written:

"But even if we, or an angel from heaven, or a protestant website in an obscure corner of the internet preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be anathema."

Ah, well. Ask PeterTheAleut. He has questioned me about the Gospel that I have received on another thread, I gave him the answer and and he has verified that it is the right Gospel that I received. i.e, he did not find any problem with it.
I said no such thing, so please stop putting words into my mouth.

Sorry, but you questioned me about the Gospel and other things in the other thread. You had no issues with my answers.

I didn't put words into your mouth after all, or please be specific as to what words I put into your mouth?
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« Reply #58 on: December 31, 2012, 03:57:58 PM »

That's why I prefer to go with the Eastern Orthodox's interpretation instead.

If you would have done so you'd have ditched the five solae long ago.

Yup.
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So you hold to some decidedly Protestant beliefs but consider yourself Catholic and go to a Catholic parish but like some of the Orthodox understandings of things.  angel
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That's why I prefer to go with the Eastern Orthodox's interpretation instead.

If you would have done so you'd have ditched the five solae long ago.

I don't know why I did not ditch the solas. But it happened that I did not ditch them afterall.
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« Reply #61 on: December 31, 2012, 04:07:43 PM »

As it is written:

"But even if we, or an angel from heaven, or a protestant website in an obscure corner of the internet preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be anathema."

Ah, well. Ask PeterTheAleut. He has questioned me about the Gospel that I have received on another thread, I gave him the answer and and he has verified that it is the right Gospel that I received. i.e, he did not find any problem with it.
I said no such thing, so please stop putting words into my mouth.

Sorry, but you questioned me about the Gospel and other things in the other thread. You had no issues with my answers.

I didn't put words into your mouth after all, or please be specific as to what words I put into your mouth?
I've done nothing on that other thread but question your understanding of the Gospel, so yes, I've had issues with your answers.

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« Reply #62 on: December 31, 2012, 04:47:10 PM »

That's why I prefer to go with the Eastern Orthodox's interpretation instead.

If you would have done so you'd have ditched the five solae long ago.

I don't know why I did not ditch the solas. But it happened that I did not ditch them afterall.

Do you believe in a Holy/Sacred Tradition?
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Doctrinally Orthodoxy neither affirms nor denies grace in non-Orthodox sacraments. In practice many of them do recognize the Catholics' Eucharist (but are not allowed to receive it) as doctrinally Catholics do the Orthodox one (but are not normally allowed to receive it, but may ask the Orthodox if there's no Catholic priest; the Orthodox are supposed to say no).
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« Reply #64 on: December 31, 2012, 06:24:56 PM »

So you hold to some decidedly Protestant beliefs but consider yourself Catholic and go to a Catholic parish but like some of the Orthodox understandings of things.  angel

Which makes him... (drumroll)... an Episcopalian?  Huh
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So you hold to some decidedly Protestant beliefs but consider yourself Catholic and go to a Catholic parish but like some of the Orthodox understandings of things.  angel

Which makes him... (drumroll)... an Episcopalian?  Huh

If Episcopalian = confused, then yes.  Wink
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« Reply #66 on: December 31, 2012, 08:54:38 PM »

Does the EOC accept the RCC's Transubstantiation as a valid Sacrament?

If not, why?

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« Reply #67 on: December 31, 2012, 08:55:48 PM »

Some would say yes, some would say no...

Why the different viewpoints? I thought all the Orthodox Churches (Greek, Russian, Ukrainian...etc) agree with each other on all issues.

On dogma, praxis, and spirituality, yes. This is neither of those things.
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« Reply #68 on: December 31, 2012, 08:58:36 PM »

Some would say yes, some would say no...

Why the different viewpoints? I thought all the Orthodox Churches (Greek, Russian, Ukrainian...etc) agree with each other on all issues.

On dogma, praxis, and spirituality, yes. This is neither of those things.

Come on, now, Shanghaiski....you're forgetting the Sacraments of Souvlaki and Borscht  Grin Grin.
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« Reply #69 on: December 31, 2012, 09:00:46 PM »

Some would say yes, some would say no...

Why the different viewpoints? I thought all the Orthodox Churches (Greek, Russian, Ukrainian...etc) agree with each other on all issues.
Shows how little you truly understand the Orthodox Church.

Well, show me a website to hop around and learn some more.

Rather, go to your local Orthodox parish church for a couple years, meet the priest, befriend members of the congregation. Learn from Orthodoxy in its actual context. A website will not help you understand the Orthodox worldview any better than reading a book about a forest will make you listen to the songs of the birds, the sound of the wind on the leaves, give you the smell of the damp leaves or the taste of the berries.
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« Reply #70 on: December 31, 2012, 09:01:38 PM »

Some would say yes, some would say no...

Why the different viewpoints? I thought all the Orthodox Churches (Greek, Russian, Ukrainian...etc) agree with each other on all issues.

On dogma, praxis, and spirituality, yes. This is neither of those things.

Come on, now, Shanghaiski....you're forgetting the Sacraments of Souvlaki and Borscht  Grin Grin.

Those do not exist outside the Orthodox Church either. Have you ever eaten the Turkish or Croatian equivalents? Yuck!
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« Reply #71 on: December 31, 2012, 09:02:56 PM »

Some would say yes, some would say no...

Why the different viewpoints? I thought all the Orthodox Churches (Greek, Russian, Ukrainian...etc) agree with each other on all issues.
Shows how little you truly understand the Orthodox Church.

Well, show me a website to hop around and learn some more.

Rather, go to your local Orthodox parish church for a couple years, meet the priest, befriend members of the congregation. Learn from Orthodoxy in its actual context. A website will not help you understand the Orthodox worldview any better than reading a book about a forest will make you listen to the songs of the birds, the sound of the wind on the leaves, give you the smell of the damp leaves or the taste of the berries.

Nicely put.

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« Reply #72 on: December 31, 2012, 09:04:15 PM »

Some would say yes, some would say no...

Why the different viewpoints? I thought all the Orthodox Churches (Greek, Russian, Ukrainian...etc) agree with each other on all issues.

On dogma, praxis, and spirituality, yes. This is neither of those things.

Come on, now, Shanghaiski....you're forgetting the Sacraments of Souvlaki and Borscht  Grin Grin.

Those do not exist outside the Orthodox Church either. Have you ever eaten the Turkish or Croatian equivalents? Yuck!

Oh, but they do...........they thrive with great abundance and exquisite deliciousness in the Eastern Catholic Church!  Cool
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« Reply #73 on: December 31, 2012, 09:05:00 PM »

Some would say yes, some would say no...

Why the different viewpoints? I thought all the Orthodox Churches (Greek, Russian, Ukrainian...etc) agree with each other on all issues.
Shows how little you truly understand the Orthodox Church.

Well, show me a website to hop around and learn some more.
Another website is not going to help you if you won't first open your mind to another point of view.

I was a spiritually dead Catholic for many years until a Protestant website opened the Gospel of Jesus to my eyes.

By all means, give me the website and I'll see if the Lord opens my mind to another point of view.

Who told you you were spiritually dead? And why were you that way if you were that way?
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« Reply #74 on: December 31, 2012, 09:09:38 PM »


I'm not "officially" a Protestant.

I'll leave a protestant to answer your question there. Or perhaps I might answer it on a later date.

So if you're not a Protestant what are you? You clearly aren't a Roman Catholic or an Eastern Orthodox Christian.

I'm officially a "Catholic", but I disagree with Catholic doctrines (which are rejected by the Eastern Orthodox and Protestants).


Maybe you could be more specific? There are Roman Catholic doctrinces accepted by the Orthodox (because they're Orthodox doctrines, too), and there are Roman Catholic doctrines accepted by Protestants but denied by Orthodox, because they're post-schism innovations or proceed from pre-schism exaggerations of the teachings of St. Augustine (for one). There are also Roman Catholic teachings which both Orthodox and Protestants reject, but sometimes in different significant ways.
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« Reply #75 on: December 31, 2012, 09:15:08 PM »

Some would say yes, some would say no...

Why the different viewpoints? I thought all the Orthodox Churches (Greek, Russian, Ukrainian...etc) agree with each other on all issues.

On dogma, praxis, and spirituality, yes. This is neither of those things.

Come on, now, Shanghaiski....you're forgetting the Sacraments of Souvlaki and Borscht  Grin Grin.

Those do not exist outside the Orthodox Church either. Have you ever eaten the Turkish or Croatian equivalents? Yuck!

Oh, but they do...........they thrive with great abundance and exquisite deliciousness in the Eastern Catholic Church!  Cool

The MSG of papal submission. Tastes good for awhile, then leads to headaches and eventually a long painful death.
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« Reply #76 on: December 31, 2012, 11:32:49 PM »

Some would say yes, some would say no...

Why the different viewpoints? I thought all the Orthodox Churches (Greek, Russian, Ukrainian...etc) agree with each other on all issues.

On dogma, praxis, and spirituality, yes. This is neither of those things.

Come on, now, Shanghaiski....you're forgetting the Sacraments of Souvlaki and Borscht  Grin Grin.

Those do not exist outside the Orthodox Church either. Have you ever eaten the Turkish or Croatian equivalents? Yuck!

Oh, but they do...........they thrive with great abundance and exquisite deliciousness in the Eastern Catholic Church!  Cool

The MSG of papal submission. Tastes good for awhile, then leads to headaches and eventually a long painful death.

A death awaits us all.  I know MSG when I eat it--so I don't.  Our souvlaki and borscht can compete with *anything* you can put on the table.  What we lack in numbers, we make up for in quality.  Wink

Wishing you a happy, prosperous, and very blessed 2013!

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« Reply #77 on: December 31, 2012, 11:51:10 PM »

I don't know if there is an authoritive teaching of the Church on it, but in my personal opinion, I do not think it is valid. The Eucharist is the ultimate symbol of unity--it is the glue that bonds us together as Orthodox Christians. It is how we are joined to Christ. There is only one Christ and that Christ is not divided, and there is only one proper faith about that Christ. I do not think that people who are not a part of the Church can legitimately prepare and receive the Eucharist and be united to Christ--that's a privilege and great responsibility that God has only bestowed upon us Orthodox Christians who adhere to the proper faith and have the authority via apostolic succession.
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I'm not "officially" a Protestant.

I'll leave a protestant to answer your question there. Or perhaps I might answer it on a later date.

So if you're not a Protestant what are you? You clearly aren't a Roman Catholic or an Eastern Orthodox Christian.

I'm officially a "Catholic", but I disagree with Catholic doctrines (which are rejected by the Eastern Orthodox and Protestants).


Which doctrines do you reject, and why?  What is your authority for your rejection of them?

You know which Catholic doctrines are rejected by the EO and Protestants. Then why ask me?

So you only reject the doctrines of the Catholics that the EO reject? Doesn't that pretty much make you Eastern Orthodox?

That could be, but one more thing is that I hold to the Five Solas.
The ironic thing about sola scriptura is that it is not biblical.


I'm not "officially" a Protestant.

I'll leave a protestant to answer your question there. Or perhaps I might answer it on a later date.

So if you're not a Protestant what are you? You clearly aren't a Roman Catholic or an Eastern Orthodox Christian.

I'm officially a "Catholic", but I disagree with Catholic doctrines (which are rejected by the Eastern Orthodox and Protestants).


Which doctrines do you reject, and why?  What is your authority for your rejection of them?

You know which Catholic doctrines are rejected by the EO and Protestants. Then why ask me?

So you only reject the doctrines of the Catholics that the EO reject? Doesn't that pretty much make you Eastern Orthodox?

That could be, but one more thing is that I hold to the Five Solas.

Then you're neither Catholic nor Orthodox.  So...what *are* you looking for on this board?  Are you making a sincere inquiry into Orthodoxy?  Looking to find a way to return to the Catholic Church?  Or....?

I'm still in the Catholic Church. No intention of going to any other Church, because salvation comes by faith in Christ, not by which denomination we belong to.
Two things...A. we are not a denomination, and B. while it is fine that you continue going to Mass even if you disagree with the Catholic Church (though I cannot quite wrap my mind around why one would do such a thing), you should not be receiving the Eucharist if you reject multiple Catholic teachings.
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A death awaits us all.  I know MSG when I eat it--so I don't.  Our souvlaki and borscht can compete with *anything* you can put on the table.  What we lack in numbers, we make up for in quality.  Wink

Wishing you a happy, prosperous, and very blessed 2013!

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I don't know if there is an authoritive teaching of the Church on it, but in my personal opinion, I do not think it is valid. The Eucharist is the ultimate symbol of unity--it is the glue that bonds us together as Orthodox Christians. It is how we are joined to Christ. There is only one Christ and that Christ is not divided, and there is only one proper faith about that Christ. I do not think that people who are not a part of the Church can legitimately prepare and receive the Eucharist and be united to Christ--that's a privilege and great responsibility that God has only bestowed upon us Orthodox Christians who adhere to the proper faith and have the authority via apostolic succession.

I believe there is no official stand from the Orthodox Church.  Why do we need to worry about its validity when we don't partake of their Eucharist anyway?

As an outgoing Catholic, I personally believe that Christ is indeed in the Eucharist of the Catholic Church.  But that is my personal opinion.  I don't expect the Orthodox to agree with me.
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Biro, I can't keep up if you're RC or EO. Not that it matters, but which is it?!
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Biro, I can't keep up if you're RC or EO. Not that it matters, but which is it?!

Why do you care?
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Biro, I can't keep up if you're RC or EO. Not that it matters, but which is it?!

Why do you care?

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Biro, I can't keep up if you're RC or EO. Not that it matters, but which is it?!

Why do you care?

Just curious...  Undecided Cry

If it helps, after what I've been through in the last three years, I don't know either.  Lips Sealed
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Once again, the love and respect and forgiveness just overflows on this board.  Tongue

Biro, I can't keep up if you're RC or EO. Not that it matters, but which is it?!

Why do you care?

Just curious...  Undecided Cry

If it helps, after what I've been through in the last three years, I don't know either.  Lips Sealed

That's valid. I don't know either. Hence, the cynical faith.
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« Reply #87 on: January 04, 2013, 08:40:30 PM »

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Once again, the love and respect and forgiveness just overflows on this board.  Tongue

Biro, I can't keep up if you're RC or EO. Not that it matters, but which is it?!

Why do you care?

Just curious...  Undecided Cry

If it helps, after what I've been through in the last three years, I don't know either.  Lips Sealed

That's valid. I don't know either. Hence, the cynical faith.

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Once again, the love and respect and forgiveness just overflows on this board.  Tongue

Biro, I can't keep up if you're RC or EO. Not that it matters, but which is it?!

Why do you care?

Just curious...  Undecided Cry

If it helps, after what I've been through in the last three years, I don't know either.  Lips Sealed
If you ever feel like discussing what has been going on with you over the last three years, I would be interested in listening. As someone who is Catholic but kind of goes back and forth mentally (and perhaps spiritually) between the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church, I would love to hear someone else's story. If you don't want to discuss it publicly you can shoot me a PM sometime.
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« Reply #89 on: January 04, 2013, 09:31:34 PM »

Thank you. I will think about it.
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« Reply #90 on: January 05, 2013, 09:35:24 PM »

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The MSG of papal submission. Tastes good for awhile, then leads to headaches and eventually a long painful death.

Once again, the love and respect and forgiveness just overflows on this board.  Tongue

Biro, I can't keep up if you're RC or EO. Not that it matters, but which is it?!

Why do you care?

Just curious...  Undecided Cry

If it helps, after what I've been through in the last three years, I don't know either.  Lips Sealed
If you ever feel like discussing what has been going on with you over the last three years, I would be interested in listening. As someone who is Catholic but kind of goes back and forth mentally (and perhaps spiritually) between the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church, I would love to hear someone else's story. If you don't want to discuss it publicly you can shoot me a PM sometime.

I'll second that (though I'm not going to publicly re-hash my story--not here, anyway)!  And, if I could buy you a beer, to boot, I would  Wink.
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Once again, the love and respect and forgiveness just overflows on this board.  Tongue

Biro, I can't keep up if you're RC or EO. Not that it matters, but which is it?!

Why do you care?

Just curious...  Undecided Cry

If it helps, after what I've been through in the last three years, I don't know either.  Lips Sealed
If you ever feel like discussing what has been going on with you over the last three years, I would be interested in listening. As someone who is Catholic but kind of goes back and forth mentally (and perhaps spiritually) between the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church, I would love to hear someone else's story. If you don't want to discuss it publicly you can shoot me a PM sometime.

I'll second that (though I'm not going to publicly re-hash my story--not here, anyway)!  And, if I could buy you a beer, to boot, I would  Wink.

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« Reply #92 on: January 05, 2013, 09:55:45 PM »

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Once again, the love and respect and forgiveness just overflows on this board.  Tongue

Indeed:

So you hold to some decidedly Protestant beliefs but consider yourself Catholic and go to a Catholic parish but like some of the Orthodox understandings of things.  angel

Which makes him... (drumroll)... an Episcopalian?  Huh

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« Reply #93 on: January 05, 2013, 11:15:20 PM »

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I'll forgive you for that. But I'd love you more if you'd added some more wit. Smiley
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Once again, the love and respect and forgiveness just overflows on this board.  Tongue

Biro, I can't keep up if you're RC or EO. Not that it matters, but which is it?!

Why do you care?

Just curious...  Undecided Cry

If it helps, after what I've been through in the last three years, I don't know either.  Lips Sealed
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I'll second that (though I'm not going to publicly re-hash my story--not here, anyway)!  And, if I could buy you a beer, to boot, I would  Wink.



I *know* that I'm not.  Are you saying that you *are*?  Or are you making some kind of other esoteric point that someone old enough to be your grandfather doesn't understand?
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« Reply #95 on: January 06, 2013, 03:54:35 PM »

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Once again, the love and respect and forgiveness just overflows on this board.  Tongue

Biro, I can't keep up if you're RC or EO. Not that it matters, but which is it?!

Why do you care?

Just curious...  Undecided Cry

If it helps, after what I've been through in the last three years, I don't know either.  Lips Sealed
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I'll second that (though I'm not going to publicly re-hash my story--not here, anyway)!  And, if I could buy you a beer, to boot, I would  Wink.



I *know* that I'm not.  Are you saying that you *are*?  Or are you making some kind of other esoteric point that someone old enough to be your grandfather doesn't understand?

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Once again, the love and respect and forgiveness just overflows on this board.  Tongue

Biro, I can't keep up if you're RC or EO. Not that it matters, but which is it?!

Why do you care?

Just curious...  Undecided Cry

If it helps, after what I've been through in the last three years, I don't know either.  Lips Sealed
If you ever feel like discussing what has been going on with you over the last three years, I would be interested in listening. As someone who is Catholic but kind of goes back and forth mentally (and perhaps spiritually) between the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church, I would love to hear someone else's story. If you don't want to discuss it publicly you can shoot me a PM sometime.

I'll second that (though I'm not going to publicly re-hash my story--not here, anyway)!  And, if I could buy you a beer, to boot, I would  Wink.



I *know* that I'm not.  Are you saying that you *are*?  Or are you making some kind of other esoteric point that someone old enough to be your grandfather doesn't understand?

Cross-thread points

And I was supposed to understand that?  From a thread I've never even seen let alone participated in?  Oy vey... Roll Eyes
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« Reply #97 on: January 06, 2013, 05:01:03 PM »

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The MSG of papal submission. Tastes good for awhile, then leads to headaches and eventually a long painful death.

Once again, the love and respect and forgiveness just overflows on this board.  Tongue

Biro, I can't keep up if you're RC or EO. Not that it matters, but which is it?!

Why do you care?

Just curious...  Undecided Cry

If it helps, after what I've been through in the last three years, I don't know either.  Lips Sealed
If you ever feel like discussing what has been going on with you over the last three years, I would be interested in listening. As someone who is Catholic but kind of goes back and forth mentally (and perhaps spiritually) between the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church, I would love to hear someone else's story. If you don't want to discuss it publicly you can shoot me a PM sometime.

I'll second that (though I'm not going to publicly re-hash my story--not here, anyway)!  And, if I could buy you a beer, to boot, I would  Wink.



I *know* that I'm not.  Are you saying that you *are*?  Or are you making some kind of other esoteric point that someone old enough to be your grandfather doesn't understand?

Cross-thread points

And I was supposed to understand that?  From a thread I've never even seen let alone participated in?  Oy vey... Roll Eyes

OCnet Rule 537: It is incumbent upon every poster to understand everything from every thread, ever.
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« Reply #98 on: January 07, 2013, 10:11:38 AM »

Quote from: Shanghaiski

The MSG of papal submission. Tastes good for awhile, then leads to headaches and eventually a long painful death.

Once again, the love and respect and forgiveness just overflows on this board.  Tongue

Biro, I can't keep up if you're RC or EO. Not that it matters, but which is it?!

Why do you care?

Just curious...  Undecided Cry

If it helps, after what I've been through in the last three years, I don't know either.  Lips Sealed
If you ever feel like discussing what has been going on with you over the last three years, I would be interested in listening. As someone who is Catholic but kind of goes back and forth mentally (and perhaps spiritually) between the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church, I would love to hear someone else's story. If you don't want to discuss it publicly you can shoot me a PM sometime.

I'll second that (though I'm not going to publicly re-hash my story--not here, anyway)!  And, if I could buy you a beer, to boot, I would  Wink.



I *know* that I'm not.  Are you saying that you *are*?  Or are you making some kind of other esoteric point that someone old enough to be your grandfather doesn't understand?

Cross-thread points

And I was supposed to understand that?  From a thread I've never even seen let alone participated in?  Oy vey... Roll Eyes

OCnet Rule 537: It is incumbent upon every poster to understand everything from every thread, ever.

Uh ohh.... Shocked!  Boy, am I in trouble... Sad Cool Sad!
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« Reply #99 on: January 07, 2013, 02:19:19 PM »

Quote from: Shanghaiski

The MSG of papal submission. Tastes good for awhile, then leads to headaches and eventually a long painful death.

Once again, the love and respect and forgiveness just overflows on this board.  Tongue

Biro, I can't keep up if you're RC or EO. Not that it matters, but which is it?!

Why do you care?

Just curious...  Undecided Cry

If it helps, after what I've been through in the last three years, I don't know either.  Lips Sealed
If you ever feel like discussing what has been going on with you over the last three years, I would be interested in listening. As someone who is Catholic but kind of goes back and forth mentally (and perhaps spiritually) between the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church, I would love to hear someone else's story. If you don't want to discuss it publicly you can shoot me a PM sometime.

I'll second that (though I'm not going to publicly re-hash my story--not here, anyway)!  And, if I could buy you a beer, to boot, I would  Wink.



I *know* that I'm not.  Are you saying that you *are*?  Or are you making some kind of other esoteric point that someone old enough to be your grandfather doesn't understand?

Cross-thread points

And I was supposed to understand that?  From a thread I've never even seen let alone participated in?  Oy vey... Roll Eyes

OCnet Rule 537: It is incumbent upon every poster to understand everything from every thread, ever.

Uh ohh.... Shocked!  Boy, am I in trouble... Sad Cool Sad!
Me too. Ialmisry seems to have a pretty good handle on it though...with his resurrecting old threads that are 5+ years old. Tongue
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