You guys don't know about your Saint.Someone is forgetting about the prodigal son.
He killed his wife & son AFTER Nicea...
Unless you want to claim he wasn't converted pre-Nicea.
He also murdered 100,000+ by imperialism after Nicea.
He was **baptized** on his death bed, not converted.
Regeneration..... pfft. Let's go pull a Hitler and get Baptized by a "master", that'll do it.
This is a perfect reason that draws people away from FAITH. Here is a MONSTER that you people legitimize. A MONSTER.
If you don't have a wife or child, you have no right to comment on the audacity of him executing them.
Or St. Dismas.
I'm sure Crispas and Fausta believe that a man who squandered his inheritance, lived in drunkeness, etc., and returning to father, would not be comparable to the man who killed them, along with hundreds of thousands of others...
Look, there are MANY other wonderful saints. LOTS of them that are wonderful role models. This guy does not compare. He merely stopped persecuting those he persecuted.... Then he holds Nicea, then kills his wife, child, and 100,000+ others. Then deathbed baptism, and he's a saint.
No comparison with St. Tikhon. No comparison with St. Catherine. No comparison with St. Jude, St. Nicholas (all of them), St. Basil (all of them). He lived a horribly wicked life full of blood and warfare. Deathbed confession is great. Deathbed baptism is great. A saint? Sorry, can't agree.
So yes, I will state that I feel like a good Christian when I read of St. Nicholas.
I teach my children about hymns, Christ, Moses, the commandments, apostles... I don't murder them.
I pray with my wife, love her, pray for her, and she me ... I don't murder her.
I try to love my enemies, and I've never killed anybody.... Let alone hundreds of thousands of people.
No I never legalized Christianity, nor did I persecute it at the sword.
My mom didn't find the cross either - but she loves God and her family.
Now, if we get into sins... I'm not perfect. Can I say his sins are worse than mine? Absolutely.
I'm still a sinner, and I do fall on my face before God. I don't say that in boast or pride. But come on people 100,000+ DEAD on his behalf (not including his own troops) in 1 campaign? His own wife? His own child?
Compare him with St. Tikhon. No comparison.
I feel depressed when reading fine examples of other saints because I know I should do better as them.
Can we really say that our sins are less worse than anothers? This is an honest question not a smart ass one, can I legitimately see, hear or read about an individual and say to myself "their sins are worse then mine" and not damage myself spiritually?
This is where I butt heads with Orthodoxy a bit. Orthodoxy teaches one a deep reflection into their own sins. In a sense, that you see your own sins so much that the sins of others are not in comparison. It feels more of a "self beat down" more than logic. I do agree, that we should deeply reflect in our own sins. We should see our sins and absolutely seek repentance for them. Even the other day I made a point on the faith issues section that the Orthodox teach of their sins being greater than the sands of the Earth. It amounted to sinning over 3 billion times a second. I'm not going to sit here and beat myself down with that. It makes a person very weak to beat themselves down like that, perfect for indoctrination and subservience.
I sin a lot. Way more than I care to admit. I am quick to anger sometimes, which I struggle with. I do judge others often, which is sinful. I am often disrespectful to others. There are many things...
But I don't sin 3 billion times a second. I don't kill people. I don't cheat on my spouse. I don't command military troops to kill others. I do not rape. I do not rob banks. I do not assault people.
YES, I believe Adolf Hitler's sins are worse than mine. I believe Constantine's were worse than mine as well. I believe that Stalin, Mao, both responsible for the deaths of millions, their sins were greater.
There is a point where self inflicted delusional thinking whipping yourself with your own sins defies logic. I'm just a parent who is loyal to my wife, raising children. We have a farm, animals etc.
Am I really suppose to sit here and believe that I am worse than Hitler, Constantine, Mao, or Stalin? This is meant without boast.
Are your (meant for everybody reading this) sins worse than the Sandy Hook shooter?
Even if you lust, cheat, steal, rob, assault, have pride, sloth, or have even killed.... Did you blow away lots of little children in cold blood? The answer is NO.
This applies to Constantine. He was responsible for the death of his own child, wife, and hundreds of thousands of people.
In context to this thread, THAT'S why I feel like a "better Christian" when I read about his ways, life, even after Nicea. Because if he can get sainted, I feel pretty good. Okay, so he was baptized on his death bed, absolving him. Great. But Sainted???
When I read about St. Tikhon, then I crawl back into a hole. Because that man was an excellent Christian. A role model which I can't compare to in faith & dedication.
So really it all depends on what I read.
I understand, I myself personally have killed my own child so I can not claim to be different then St. Constantine, but I do understand were you come from.
but why did you kill your own child? may god give him/her rest.
Cuz I was self centered and paid to have my child killed before it was born
Abortion? let's hope that at least the consequences are not "sterilization". If that is what it is you're doomed for life. But then again. Miracles happen daily. Not because we deserve them. They happen because God's true nature deserves to be somehow expressed. As someone said once. Miracles don't happen because we deserve them. Because God doesn't give us what we deserve. He only gives us what he wants us to have.
Abortion? You could call it that, but more along the lines of execution maybe? Is it that much different then St. Constantine, on a personal level then I really hope he is numbered among the saints, he is a example of repentance for me.
St. Constantine also discouraged the pagan practice of abortion and the exposure of infants (abandonment) by increasing money and food given to families to help them support their children. I'm pretty sure I read that in Treadgold's History of Byzantine State.
So, only God knows how many lives he saved by this one decision he made. He also made other decisions regarding temple prostitution, which involved children, if I remember correctly.
And if people want to be upset with other people whose lives they find difficult to understand, whose burdens only God fully understands, and from which they've been mercifully spared, they could just as easily be upset with St. Eirini the Empress, who had her own son's eyes put out.
Being royalty evidently has a special set of challenges that few can imagine.
Honestly, she kind of scares me a little bit, and even more when I was gifted her icon by one of the family members of one of our yia yia's who had fallen asleep. It was from her icon corner, though St. Eirini the Empress isn't my particular patron saint. Her icon is right beside me as I type, and yia yia's photo is right behind me. St. Eirini was involved in ending the iconoclast heresy.
I think you've just helped me open a window of understanding after years of living with this icon. Thank God and thank you.
Lord have mercy on us.
Edit: parallel transliteration of spelling of Eirini