So I signed up to the "atheistforums" to refute "atheism", as their slogan says, "a community website for freethinkers, "atheist", "agnostics", and Believers", that right their was false advertising.
I defeated "atheism" and I did it well, they started cursing me and then I posted this,
"you're now a hypocrite, what you just said is An Unsupported Dogmatic "atheistic" and Luniticistic assertion as I proved Genesis and Creation ex Nihilo proves God(The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit exists) True.(First Uncaused Cause(Scientific and Philosophical Fact, in otherwords overall Fact and if you deny this you must deny "macro-evolution" as this actually is a Proven Fact.)
An Infinite Past of Anything in Succession(Matter, Time, Space, Energy, Change, cause & effect etc) is a Impossibility. if the past was infinite we would never get to the present, count down from Infinity to zero. therefore anything in succession must have a beginning in the finite past. which means it is an indeniable Fact that once nothing existed.(evident by this and the big bang)
Since infinite amount of past cause and effect is impossible it had to start, which means there is a cause which has no cause, The First Uncaused Cause.
The Cause is,
- Uncaused since has no cause
- Beginningless since if began to exist must have a cause.
-Changeless since an Infinite Amount of past change is impossible and a change requires a cause, First Uncaused Cause has no cause
- Timeless since changeless, no change, and no Time.
- Eternal since has always existed, is changeless(ceasing to exist would be a change) and is Timeless.
- Spaceless since Timeless and changeless, things in space are ever changing and are in time.
- Immaterial since Timeless and Changless, matter is ever changing, changeless material doesn't exist, and changeless material cannot cause anything, therefore Immaterial.
-All Powerful since created everything and lesser doesn't produce the greater.
- Of Which No Greater Can Be Conceived since Created Everything.
Now that was part 1,
3 Indeinable Facts
1, Whatever Begins to exists has a cause
2, The Universe began to exist(infinite regression is impossible, big bang, and Borde, Guide, Valienkin Theorem make this an irrefutable Fact.)
3, Therefore The Universe has a Cause to it's existence.
The Cause of The Universe is,
-Spaceless and Timeless, since Created/Started/Caused Space and Time, can therefore exist without Space and Time.
- Since Spaceless and Timeless is Changeless
-Since Changeless is Immaterial, and since doesn't change, The Cause didn't start to exist, making it The First Uncaused Cause.
The First Uncaused Cause is The Cause of The Universe.
Now time to prove that this is without a shadow of a doubt God(which means whether "macro-evolution" happened or not, God exists and you have to accept that)
1. That fits God's description to a tee.
2. The First Uncaused Cause is The Direct Cause of The Universe, God(The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit) is a First Uncaused Cause who Directly Caused The Universe.
3, Is Immaterial therefore can either be a Mind or Abstract Object such as numbers(The Mind is immaterial and we'll get to that later), Abstract objects cause nothing, therefore a Mind.
4, Fine Tuning, The Universe is so fine tuned for life that there's only 3 possibilities as to why,
Law, Chance, or Design. Cannot be law or chance, since Law can be different and Chance is Extremely Improbable that it's Factual it didn't happen that way, therefore Obviously Designed.
5, Only 2 types of causes. Accidential/Mindless or Intentional/Mind, Accidents require a prior cause, therefore cannot be accidential therefore caused on Purpose, God exists.
6, All "naturalistic" theories are Impossible.
1, "naturalism" is disproven by The Universe being caused so by default Supernatural and Immaterial exists.
2, Nothing existed and nothing causes nothing, the "nothing causes something" Quantum Mechanics argument proposed by w-child has been thrown in the fire with these facts,
1, The Quantum Vaccum isn't empty space.
2, Nothing cannot cause something with this fact,
The Cause of an effect must be equivelent or greater than it's effect,
Nothing has no properties, something has properties. so for nothing to cause something it would need the properties to do so, so if nothing caused something, it needs to properties of something rendering it to be something instead of nothing! and if nothing caused something it would need the properties from something eternal rendering it again not nothing.
Nothing can only cause, nothing.
and the "universe caused itself" argument(whoever posed this argument needs their liscense revoked, is automatically void as if the universe caused itself it would have already needed to exist!.
And lastly as proven in #5 can only have been caused on purpose.
There is no naturalistic explanation as 1, Supernatural exist, 2, it's impossible for nothing to cause something and 3, it is an impossiblity for The First Uncaused Cause to cause on accident.
#7, Creation ex nihilo proves The Bible is even more Scientifically Accurate and Correct, Creation ex Nihilo proves God exists and God is The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit who is 1 God that is 3 Persons.)
Also you more proof that I'm all walk and no talk, and that I'll destroy your "atheism" and your "atheistic" lifestyle into the trash?
Lets disprove Quantum Mechanics of The gaps Nothing causing Something.
#1, The Quantum Vaccum isn't nothing,
#2, This guy, "wiccanchild"'s whole "atheism" was destroyed this day because Nothing causing something was his only "atheistic" doctrine, http://www.christianforums.com/t7695364-8/#post61720995
Here we go,
Nothing has no property, something has a property. in order for nothing to cause something, then nothing would need a property in which something has.
Something has property(properties) and nothing has no properties or at least the properties of nothingness.
How then can nothing cause something?
It cannot as if nothing caused something, it would need the property of it's creation, it has none.
also if nothing caused something then it would need an eternal sort of property to do so, which means that it's something instead of nothing.
nothing therefore causes, nothing. in order for you to prove that nothing can cause something you need to prove that it has the properties to do so, that it's own properties of nothingness is something, however nothing is not something and a property is something, therefore nothing wouldn't really be nothing.
Nothing can only cause, nothing. The Cause of the universe therefore cannot be nothing as that is now an Impossibility. The Cause of the universe is not material, nor is it nothing.
therefore with Creation Ex Nihilo, The Cause has the properties needed to create the universe, yet The Cause is Immaterial since not material, and not nothing, and The Cause caused the universe out of nothing. and The Cause is God(The Trinity of The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit), there's no escaping it.
your whole thread has been destroyed, don't ever in a debate bring up "nothing causing nothing".
That's only a taste of my destruction of "atheism", The Holy Spirit is with me and you will not win."
I was banned forever and the adminstrator named Gerard posted "Enough of this" http://www.atheistforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=31471&p=901668#p901675
They cursed and belittled me for using proof and evidence, bunch of hypocrites and their slogans were false, bunch of bigots on that site.
In summary I destroyed "atheism" and "nothing causing something" lies with proof and evidence, and they saw my Truth by The Power of The Holy Spirit as a threat, banning me and saying "Enough of this", enough of what? The Truth. Truth of The Bible is Proven and they run and censor.