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I am a pretty poor-quality Christian-in-training at this point. I try not to mix other faiths in with mine. I do enjoy reading about other faiths. I just don't believe in them.
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To add: Acts 20:5-7 seems to say that they gathered on Sunday for the breaking of bread; and the Didache speaks of a "Lord's Day" and not a sabbath, which would make more sense if it were a Sunday.
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I am a pretty poor-quality Christian-in-training at this point. I try not to mix other faiths in with mine. I do enjoy reading about other faiths. I just don't believe in them.
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I used to study a variety of different religions here and there, nothing too crazy. The older I become and now that I have found the true Church, I have no desire to learn of the heresies of man. I honestly don’t care much of what they have to say anymore. Exactly. That's how I feel. |
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I don't really follow other religions, but I do observe them and take what I see to be good and apply it to myself. For example, my courage to wear a crucifix visibly outside my shirt came from observing the fight for rights by Sikhs to exempt them from helmet laws so they don't have to take their turbans off. They can even get their passport photos taken wearing their turbans. I think it is a great fight for religious rights and that we as Christians shouldn't shy away from our symbol of faith, that is the cross.
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what other religions do you mix if any?
I'm inspired by four great Traditions: Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Sufism. Cool. Also Kabbalah/Judaism. cool. But if you believe them all religiously, how do you manage to make them agree with each other? They agree at the Heart, in the realm of Silence. Just curious Jetavan, why do you seem cool with Orthodoxy when it holds exclusivistic beliefs you wouldn't agree with? Orthodoxy is exclusivistic? I think Orthodoxy is the most inclusivistic of the Christian traditions. How so? Orthodoxy gives Communion to *babies*, who can't even think rationally yet. No other Church does that: they all limit Communion to "rational" thinkers. Orthodoxy includes even the pre-rational beings (and non-rational beings, therefore). |
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To add: Acts 20:5-7 seems to say that they gathered on Sunday for the breaking of bread; and the Didache speaks of a "Lord's Day" and not a sabbath, which would make more sense if it were a Sunday.
I'll post a couple of links on these from churches I do not go to. I ask all to read the content, and not just judge labels. About the Sabbath: http://www.sdanet.org/atissue/books/27/27-19.htmAbout Acts 20, 1 Corinthians 16:2, Revelation 1:10, Romans 14:5, Galations 4:9-11, Colossians 2:14 : http://www.yrm.org/popular.htmAgain people PLEASE read the content and not just form labels on others. Point out where their logic is wrong and interpretations in context of their CONTENT. |
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Their "when was the Sabbath changed" relies entirely on a Roman-focused historical view that places the Church of Rome at the centre of Christendom, and its history as the "history of the church." In other words, if Roman Catholicism claims that Sunday worship is due to its transferrence (over time, or whatever) of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday, and such was the case in the Roman Church - well, then that's why the Church worships on Sunday! Of course, that doesn't explain why the rest of Christendom worships on Sunday but believes the Sabbath to still be Saturday - Sunday, in these churches, did not become "the new Sabbath" as many Westerners believe. What of the Christians in the far east that are Sunday-observant? I don't see how they were distantly dominated by the Pope and Roman sun cults. These are points that Seventh-day Adventists in particular never pick up on since much of their faith-history is built on a view that revolves around the Church of Rome, and leaves little to no room for other perspectives on Church history. This was Ellen White's view of history, and will continue to be their view of history until the SDA "progressives" take over. Actually, I brought this point up with a SDA pastor when I was inquiring into the SDA church, and he wasn't prepared at all to deal with any other history that didn't have the evil Catholic church at the head of things. |
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I think there are admirable things in various faiths such as Taoism
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Some might have a bit of truth, but then again, the Devil comes as an Angel of Light. IMHO, if you call yourself Orthodox, yet you mix aspect of other faiths, you're not Orthodox, and you should be very careful. Then again my opinions and a quarter will buy you a cup of coffee.....
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I know next to nothing about Sikhism, but on my path searching through the Dharmic religions, I came across Carvaka. Now that's a fascinating "anti-religion" if I ever saw one! Kind of like Lavayan Satanism without Satan.
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I'm inspired by four great Traditions: Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Sufism. Cool. Also Kabbalah/Judaism. cool. But if you believe them all religiously, how do you manage to make them agree with each other? They agree at the Heart, in the realm of Silence. Just curious Jetavan, why do you seem cool with Orthodoxy when it holds exclusivistic beliefs you wouldn't agree with? Orthodoxy is exclusivistic? I think Orthodoxy is the most inclusivistic of the Christian traditions. How so? Orthodoxy gives Communion to *babies*, who can't even think rationally yet. No other Church does that: they all limit Communion to "rational" thinkers. Orthodoxy includes even the pre-rational beings (and non-rational beings, therefore). Bzzzt...Byzantine Catholics do that too. I personally witnessed it. in fact my 18-month son almost had an early "First Communion" time before last I went. I was not sure what that would mean for him in my regular (Roman) parish so I didn't have him receive it. |
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Orthodoxy gives Communion to *babies*, who can't even think rationally yet. No other Church does that: they all limit Communion to "rational" thinkers. Orthodoxy includes even the pre-rational beings (and non-rational beings, therefore) And? PP ...and that is more inclusive than limiting Communion to rational thinkers. |
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We cannot legislate morality by passing laws controlling firearms. The only evil we can combat lies within our hearts. We need stronger laws to protect the moral foundation of society against the evil of gay marriage. |
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« Reply #86 on: January 03, 2013, 09:12:10 PM » |
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If the claims of the SDA about the role of the Church of Rome in the early Church are true we should all be RC Well from the perspective of the largest body of Christians in the world, the Roman Catholic church, which out numbers EO Christians about 3 to 1, the SDA do see the embodiment of the RC church in this matter. Since RC & EO were united pre-Great Schism, it applies. Most of the writings against the "Roman Catholics" are applied that way to convert the larger body. The Eastern Orthodox Catholic Church & Roman Catholic Church are one in the same early on. |
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« Reply #87 on: January 03, 2013, 09:28:49 PM » |
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Well from the perspective of the largest body of Christians in the world, the Roman Catholic church, which out numbers EO Christians about 3 to 1, the SDA do see the embodiment of the RC church in this matter. What does the size of current Roman Catholicism have to do with the pre-Schism topic? Just because RC is currently large and thinks it is the main continuing church doesn't mean an offshoot can take its claims as authoritative. Since RC & EO were united pre-Great Schism, it applies.
Most of the writings against the "Roman Catholics" are applied that way to convert the larger body. The Eastern Orthodox Catholic Church & Roman Catholic Church are one in the same early on.
Except it doesn't apply. They're retrofitting a papal-dominant ecclesiology that doesn't exist prior to the schism, and definitely not the sort that existed in the 19th century of Ellen White. So what can be said of Rome cannot be said of the rest of the churches just because they "were united." To their further discredit, it doesn't apply to the Assyrian Church of the East and the Oriental Orthodox. |
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Am I the only follower of Tarvuism here? Hebbo!
what tarvuism? I'm glad you asked! This video will explain everything. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-t7MV-Z6Pc |
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what other religions do you mix if any?
I'm inspired by four great Traditions: Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Sufism. Cool. Also Kabbalah/Judaism. cool. But if you believe them all religiously, how do you manage to make them agree with each other? They agree at the Heart, in the realm of Silence. In that state I think all creation agrees. |
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“God has no religion.”
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