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« on: December 28, 2012, 02:19:04 PM »
what other religions do you mix if any?
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2012, 02:20:49 PM »
what other religions do you mix if any?

Jediism.
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2012, 02:21:13 PM »
I think there are admirable things in various faiths such as Taoism, but I think the same things can be found in Christianity, so I don't see a need for me to "mix" in other stuff when trying to be Christian. Fwiw.

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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2012, 02:22:16 PM »
Sometimes after church, I mix milk in my tea. That's all, though.

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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2012, 02:23:57 PM »
Sometimes after church, I mix milk in my tea. That's all, though.

Milk in tea? That's highly inappropriate. Sugar in tea is good and honey is OK too. But milk in tea? Anathema!

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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2012, 02:30:40 PM »
I find comparative religion studies fascinating, with Judaism and Western Neopaganism my primary points of interest, but I don't confuse my studies with my personal religious practice.
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2012, 02:33:41 PM »
I only ponder other faiths based on what virtues they exhibit within the natural law of God to discern & not judge, to try to abide in love, faith, & hope for others even while in my own wretchedness.
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2012, 02:38:25 PM »
I'm sure there is still some Protestant baggage that I have not fully let go off, especially since I was a Protestant most of my life.

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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2012, 02:42:57 PM »
I admire some things in Islam but I think same aspects can be found in Christianity. It's just that modern Western Christians do not practice or do not have them anymore.
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2012, 02:54:58 PM »
Sometimes after church, I mix milk in my tea. That's all, though.

Milk in tea? That's highly inappropriate. Sugar in tea is good and honey is OK too. But milk in tea? Anathema!

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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2012, 02:58:04 PM »
Trying to be Christian is hard enough, so I don't think I can mix  ;D

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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2012, 09:35:59 PM »
I mix creamer in my coffee faithfully.

Being Orthodox is already hard enough, I don't need the burden of another religion on me when I can barely balance one.
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2012, 09:40:53 PM »
I used to study a variety of different religions here and there, nothing too crazy.  The older I become and now that I have found the true Church, I have no desire to learn of the heresies of man.  I honestly don’t care much of what they have to say anymore.

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« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2012, 10:36:58 PM »
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2012, 10:50:06 PM »
Most of them, or at least a significant number. Every religion has an aspect of truth, and if understood in unison and in the context of a collective and universal human spirituality, serve as the prismatic colors that come together to form a single ray of white light that is WISDOM-RELIGION.
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2012, 11:06:34 PM »
Most of them, or at least a significant number. Every religion has an aspect of truth, and if understood in unison and in the context of a collective and universal human spirituality, serve as the prismatic colors that come together to form a single ray of white light that is WISDOM-RELIGION.

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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #16 on: December 29, 2012, 01:22:21 AM »
I feel strongly that if someone is trying to incorporate (mix) other religions into Orthodox Christianity, then this person most likely doesn't understand Orthodox Christianity.  My understanding is that, as Orthodox Christians, we believe there are truths in other religions, only Orthodox Christianity contains the full, complete Truth.

I offer this not to be contentious or judgmental but to inspire us to delve deeper into Orthodoxy. 
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #17 on: December 29, 2012, 01:40:53 AM »
I think there are admirable things in various faiths such as Taoism
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #18 on: December 29, 2012, 02:16:51 AM »
what other religions do you mix if any?
Messianic, Lutheran/non-baptism, tragically conservative non-denominational recovering from some painfully skewed ideas with an occasional bit of general theism/semi-agnosticism-but some of that is my flesh side. I am not the most mature or wisest Orthodox here.  I'm just a work in progress learning what it means to be Orthodox better. Reading/listening to Orthodox people is good, and Orthodox churches (as long as the people are kind and loving and not hyper-fundamentalist in a western sense) are the best!

I'm personally a bit interested in things like Baha'i, Sihkism, and Hinduism. It's a different mindset that I want to understand better.  I have not found much real, fundamental truth outside of Christianity.
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #19 on: December 29, 2012, 02:17:20 AM »
what other religions do you mix if any?

Jediism.

what is jediism?

Have you watched the movie Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi (aka Episodes 4, 5 and 6) and Star Wars Movies Episode 1, Episode 2 and Episode 3 (aka prequels)?
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #20 on: December 29, 2012, 02:29:11 AM »
I think there are admirable things in various faiths such as Taoism
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Darn (can I say that now? um...)   That's too bad. I think I could sit and listen to 'norm give commentary/analysis of the Tao Te Ching all night, lol.

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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #21 on: December 29, 2012, 02:37:07 AM »
I think there are admirable things in various faiths such as Taoism
Boy, you really missed out. Cav., Orthonorm and I had a profitable discussion on Taoism recently.  8)

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Darn (can I say that now? um...)   That's too bad. I think I could sit and listen to 'norm give commentary/analysis of the Tao Te Ching all night, lol.

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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #23 on: December 29, 2012, 08:38:38 AM »
I feel strongly that if someone is trying to incorporate (mix) other religions into Orthodox Christianity, then this person most likely doesn't understand Orthodox Christianity.  My understanding is that, as Orthodox Christians, we believe there are truths in other religions, only Orthodox Christianity contains the full, complete Truth.

I offer this not to be contentious or judgmental but to inspire us to delve deeper into Orthodoxy. 

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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #24 on: December 29, 2012, 10:51:27 AM »
what other religions do you mix if any?
I'm inspired by four great Traditions: Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Sufism.
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #25 on: December 29, 2012, 10:56:45 AM »
Well....sometimes I'll play praise and worship music on my guitar, if that counts for anything?


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When it comes to Hinduism and its philosophies, Paradvaita > all others :p When I was delving into Hinduism, Kashmir Shaivism and it's unique look at monism intrigued me (Advaita was waaay too impersonal).
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« Reply #26 on: December 29, 2012, 11:27:22 AM »
There are aspects of other religions that I find interesting.  Some of these pointed the way to Orthodoxy for me, and some help me understand certain aspects of Orthodoxy to this day.  While Orthodoxy may indeed be the complete repository of Truth, I have yet to find many parishes that even remotely come close to displaying that Truth.  Often, I have found some of these Truths in other religions before I found them in the Orthodox Church.  Not that they were not there.  They were just not as evident.  However, as my collection of Orthodox books increased, and as my exposure to more and more Orthodox Christians increased, my need for the writings of other religions grew less and less.  I still rely heavily on certain Lutheran Commentaries, and I use both Lutheran and Roman Catholic sources for my daily prayers and services.  But I cannot remember that last time that I read any Hindu, Taoist, Gnostic or other writings.  As tools, they did their job.  I no longer believe that I need them.
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #27 on: December 29, 2012, 12:17:15 PM »
what other religions do you mix if any?
I'm inspired by four great Traditions: Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Sufism.
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« Reply #28 on: December 29, 2012, 12:23:44 PM »
what other religions do you mix if any?
I'm inspired by four great Traditions: Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Sufism.
Cool.
Also Kabbalah/Judaism.
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« Reply #29 on: December 29, 2012, 12:24:44 PM »
Well....sometimes I'll play praise and worship music on my guitar, if that counts for anything?


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When it comes to Hinduism and its philosophies, Paradvaita > all others :p When I was delving into Hinduism, Kashmir Shaivism and it's unique look at monism intrigued me (Advaita was waaay too impersonal).
For me, Shaiva Siddhanta over Advaita, likewise.
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #30 on: December 29, 2012, 01:04:25 PM »
Also Kabbalah/Judaism.

The Kabbalah is amazing. A lot of it makes me go 'bzuh?' but what makes sense makes a lot of sense.

I've been practising yoga for over 20 years and I find the first 4 limbs of the eightfold path have absolutely nothing contradicting Christianity in general and Orthodoxy in particular. From pratyahara upwards, the waters can muddy a lot.
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #31 on: December 29, 2012, 08:18:28 PM »
what other religions do you mix if any?
I'm inspired by four great Traditions: Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Sufism.
Cool.
Also Kabbalah/Judaism.
cool. But if you believe them all religiously, how do you manage to make them agree with each other?
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« Reply #32 on: December 29, 2012, 08:20:27 PM »
Also Kabbalah/Judaism.

The Kabbalah is amazing. A lot of it makes me go 'bzuh?' but what makes sense makes a lot of sense.

I've been practising yoga for over 20 years and I find the first 4 limbs of the eightfold path have absolutely nothing contradicting Christianity in general and Orthodoxy in particular. From pratyahara upwards, the waters can muddy a lot.
some priests however condemn the practice of yoga. They think of it as worshipping demons. Even if this is not what is really happenning.
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« Reply #33 on: December 29, 2012, 08:36:51 PM »
some priests however condemn the practice of yoga. They think of it as worshipping demons. Even if this is not what is really happenning.

No, they think of it as a Hindu religious practice, and at its higher levels it is. The same accusation has been levelled against martial arts. The practice styles can vary widely, in both disciplines, that's why there's no consensus on their cult status.
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #34 on: December 29, 2012, 08:52:17 PM »
what other religions do you mix if any?
I'm inspired by four great Traditions: Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Sufism.
Cool.
Also Kabbalah/Judaism.
cool. But if you believe them all religiously, how do you manage to make them agree with each other?
They agree at the Heart, in the realm of Silence.
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #35 on: January 02, 2013, 07:52:23 AM »
what other religions do you mix if any?
I'm inspired by four great Traditions: Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Sufism.
Cool.
Also Kabbalah/Judaism.
cool. But if you believe them all religiously, how do you manage to make them agree with each other?
They agree at the Heart, in the realm of Silence.

Just curious Jetavan, why do you seem cool with Orthodoxy when it holds exclusivistic beliefs you wouldn't agree with?
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #36 on: January 02, 2013, 08:02:31 AM »
Most of them, or at least a significant number. Every religion has an aspect of truth, and if understood in unison and in the context of a collective and universal human spirituality, serve as the prismatic colors that come together to form a single ray of white light that is WISDOM-RELIGION.

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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #37 on: January 02, 2013, 08:05:16 AM »
Most of them, or at least a significant number. Every religion has an aspect of truth, and if understood in unison and in the context of a collective and universal human spirituality, serve as the prismatic colors that come together to form a single ray of white light that is WISDOM-RELIGION.

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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #38 on: January 02, 2013, 08:08:16 AM »
Most of them, or at least a significant number. Every religion has an aspect of truth, and if understood in unison and in the context of a collective and universal human spirituality, serve as the prismatic colors that come together to form a single ray of white light that is WISDOM-RELIGION.

How the mighty have fallen...

The theosophy graphic in his sig line is the giveaway. Though I do wonder how and why he has gone from a hardline Orthodox to a syncretist ...
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #39 on: January 02, 2013, 08:23:47 AM »
what other religions do you mix if any?
I'm inspired by four great Traditions: Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Sufism.
Cool.
Also Kabbalah/Judaism.
cool. But if you believe them all religiously, how do you manage to make them agree with each other?
They agree at the Heart, in the realm of Silence.

Just curious Jetavan, why do you seem cool with Orthodoxy when it holds exclusivistic beliefs you wouldn't agree with?
Orthodoxy is exclusivistic? I think Orthodoxy is the most inclusivistic of the Christian traditions.
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #40 on: January 02, 2013, 08:25:42 AM »
Most of them, or at least a significant number. Every religion has an aspect of truth, and if understood in unison and in the context of a collective and universal human spirituality, serve as the prismatic colors that come together to form a single ray of white light that is WISDOM-RELIGION.

How the mighty have fallen...

The theosophy graphic in his sig line is the giveaway. Though I do wonder how and why he has gone from a hardline Orthodox to a syncretist ...

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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #41 on: January 02, 2013, 10:43:03 AM »
Well....sometimes I'll play praise and worship music on my guitar, if that counts for anything?


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When it comes to Hinduism and its philosophies, Paradvaita > all others :p When I was delving into Hinduism, Kashmir Shaivism and it's unique look at monism intrigued me (Advaita was waaay too impersonal).
For me, Shaiva Siddhanta over Advaita, likewise.

Have you ever heard of the Himalayan Academy?
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #42 on: January 02, 2013, 11:20:30 AM »
Well....sometimes I'll play praise and worship music on my guitar, if that counts for anything?


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I'm inspired by four great Traditions: Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Sufism.

When it comes to Hinduism and its philosophies, Paradvaita > all others :p When I was delving into Hinduism, Kashmir Shaivism and it's unique look at monism intrigued me (Advaita was waaay too impersonal).
For me, Shaiva Siddhanta over Advaita, likewise.

Have you ever heard of the Himalayan Academy?
Yep. Hard-core Shaivas.
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #43 on: January 02, 2013, 12:18:55 PM »
Well....sometimes I'll play praise and worship music on my guitar, if that counts for anything?


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I'm inspired by four great Traditions: Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Sufism.

When it comes to Hinduism and its philosophies, Paradvaita > all others :p When I was delving into Hinduism, Kashmir Shaivism and it's unique look at monism intrigued me (Advaita was waaay too impersonal).
For me, Shaiva Siddhanta over Advaita, likewise.

Have you ever heard of the Himalayan Academy?
Yep. Hard-core Shaivas.

Agh, tell me about it. Their teachings on women especially.
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #44 on: January 02, 2013, 12:52:26 PM »
I try to mix the faith of EARLY Christians and what they practiced.

The lifestyle and family life of the Anabaptists is pretty close (other than language)
The Sabbath keeping practices of the Messianic Jews & Ebionites.
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #45 on: January 02, 2013, 12:58:57 PM »

The Sabbath keeping practices of the Messianic Jews & Ebionites.


Never read St. Justin Martyr?
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #46 on: January 02, 2013, 01:26:45 PM »

The Sabbath keeping practices of the Messianic Jews & Ebionites.


Never read St. Justin Martyr?

Yes, he was after the Ebionites.
He was also after Christ, who taught in the temple on the Sabbath.
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #47 on: January 02, 2013, 01:30:41 PM »

The Sabbath keeping practices of the Messianic Jews & Ebionites.


Never read St. Justin Martyr?

Yes, he was after the Ebionites.

The Ebionites were the ones who bewitched the Galatians. Hardly deserving of praise, I think.
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #48 on: January 02, 2013, 01:40:27 PM »
I am a pretty poor-quality Christian-in-training at this point. I try not to mix other faiths in with mine. I do enjoy reading about other faiths. I just don't believe in them.

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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #49 on: January 02, 2013, 01:42:17 PM »
To add: Acts 20:5-7 seems to say that they gathered on Sunday for the breaking of bread; and the Didache speaks of a "Lord's Day" and not a sabbath, which would make more sense if it were a Sunday.


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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #50 on: January 02, 2013, 03:02:48 PM »
I take my Orthodoxy straight.
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #51 on: January 02, 2013, 03:18:47 PM »
I am a pretty poor-quality Christian-in-training at this point. I try not to mix other faiths in with mine. I do enjoy reading about other faiths. I just don't believe in them.


Same as me!  :angel:  What's your favorite one to learn about?
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #52 on: January 02, 2013, 03:27:32 PM »
I am a pretty poor-quality Christian-in-training at this point. I try not to mix other faiths in with mine. I do enjoy reading about other faiths. I just don't believe in them.


Same as me!  :angel:  What's your favorite one to learn about?

Judaism, and paganism, especially the European varieties. Lots of interesting stories.

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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #53 on: January 02, 2013, 03:30:11 PM »
Judaism, and paganism, especially the European varieties. Lots of interesting stories.

We should get a study group going. ;)
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #54 on: January 02, 2013, 03:33:23 PM »
I am a pretty poor-quality Christian-in-training at this point. I try not to mix other faiths in with mine. I do enjoy reading about other faiths. I just don't believe in them.


Same as me!  :angel:  What's your favorite one to learn about?

Judaism, and paganism, especially the European varieties. Lots of interesting stories.


Hinduism, especially the monistic sects, are my favorite to learn about. Buddhism as well, but I know very little about it.
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #55 on: January 02, 2013, 03:35:52 PM »
Full disclosure: half the reason I liked Bulfinch's Mythology was that lots of the gods were strapping young fellows with no shirts.

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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #56 on: January 02, 2013, 03:42:47 PM »
+1

I use some Roman Catholic prayers and hymns in my private devotion, but I suppose they're used by Orthodox WR.

This, but not that often.

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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #57 on: January 02, 2013, 03:44:12 PM »
Full disclosure: half the reason I liked Bulfinch's Mythology was that lots of the gods were strapping young fellows with no shirts.

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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #58 on: January 02, 2013, 03:44:43 PM »
Full disclosure: half the reason I liked Bulfinch's Mythology was that lots of the gods were strapping young fellows with no shirts.

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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #59 on: January 02, 2013, 03:48:17 PM »
Full disclosure: half the reason I liked Bulfinch's Mythology was that lots of the gods were strapping young fellows with no shirts.

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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #60 on: January 02, 2013, 03:53:37 PM »
Full disclosure: half the reason I liked Bulfinch's Mythology was that lots of the gods were strapping young fellows with no shirts.

 :o

In case you're concerned, I'm a girl. :)

I suspect it was the 'full disclosure' bit that did it... :angel:
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #61 on: January 02, 2013, 04:20:38 PM »
I used to study a variety of different religions here and there, nothing too crazy.  The older I become and now that I have found the true Church, I have no desire to learn of the heresies of man.  I honestly don’t care much of what they have to say anymore.

Exactly. That's how I feel.
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #62 on: January 02, 2013, 04:31:26 PM »
I don't really follow other religions, but I do observe them and take what I see to be good and apply it to myself.  For example, my courage to wear a crucifix visibly outside my shirt came from observing the fight for rights by Sikhs to exempt them from helmet laws so they don't have to take their turbans off.  They can even get their passport photos taken wearing their turbans.  I think it is a great fight for religious rights and that we as Christians shouldn't shy away from our symbol of faith, that is the cross.

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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #63 on: January 02, 2013, 06:26:48 PM »
Full disclosure: half the reason I liked Bulfinch's Mythology was that lots of the gods were strapping young fellows with no shirts.

 :o

In case you're concerned, I'm a girl. :)

Little better  :)
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #64 on: January 02, 2013, 08:47:58 PM »
Am I the only follower of Tarvuism here?  Hebbo!

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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #65 on: January 02, 2013, 08:58:43 PM »
I also like to search out really obscure religions too and pretend to be a know-it-all to my friends  :laugh:
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #66 on: January 02, 2013, 11:02:56 PM »
what other religions do you mix if any?
I'm inspired by four great Traditions: Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Sufism.
Cool.
Also Kabbalah/Judaism.
cool. But if you believe them all religiously, how do you manage to make them agree with each other?
They agree at the Heart, in the realm of Silence.

Just curious Jetavan, why do you seem cool with Orthodoxy when it holds exclusivistic beliefs you wouldn't agree with?
Orthodoxy is exclusivistic? I think Orthodoxy is the most inclusivistic of the Christian traditions.

How so?
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #67 on: January 02, 2013, 11:07:42 PM »
what other religions do you mix if any?
I'm inspired by four great Traditions: Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Sufism.
Cool.
Also Kabbalah/Judaism.
cool. But if you believe them all religiously, how do you manage to make them agree with each other?
They agree at the Heart, in the realm of Silence.

Just curious Jetavan, why do you seem cool with Orthodoxy when it holds exclusivistic beliefs you wouldn't agree with?
Orthodoxy is exclusivistic? I think Orthodoxy is the most inclusivistic of the Christian traditions.

How so?
Orthodoxy gives Communion to *babies*, who can't even think rationally yet. No other Church does that: they all limit Communion to "rational" thinkers. Orthodoxy includes even the pre-rational beings (and non-rational beings, therefore).
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #68 on: January 03, 2013, 01:29:00 AM »
To add: Acts 20:5-7 seems to say that they gathered on Sunday for the breaking of bread; and the Didache speaks of a "Lord's Day" and not a sabbath, which would make more sense if it were a Sunday.

I'll post a couple of links on these from churches I do not go to. I ask all to read the content, and not just judge labels.

About the Sabbath:
http://www.sdanet.org/atissue/books/27/27-19.htm

About Acts 20, 1 Corinthians 16:2, Revelation 1:10, Romans 14:5, Galations 4:9-11, Colossians 2:14 :
http://www.yrm.org/popular.htm

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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #69 on: January 03, 2013, 01:44:39 AM »
About the Sabbath:
http://www.sdanet.org/atissue/books/27/27-19.htm
Their "when was the Sabbath changed" relies entirely on a Roman-focused historical view that places the Church of Rome at the centre of Christendom, and its history as the "history of the church." In other words, if Roman Catholicism claims that Sunday worship is due to its transferrence (over time, or whatever) of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday, and such was the case in the Roman Church - well, then that's why the Church worships on Sunday!

Of course, that doesn't explain why the rest of Christendom worships on Sunday but believes the Sabbath to still be Saturday - Sunday, in these churches, did not become "the new Sabbath" as many Westerners believe. What of the Christians in the far east that are Sunday-observant? I don't see how they were distantly dominated by the Pope and Roman sun cults. These are points that Seventh-day Adventists in particular never pick up on since much of their faith-history is built on a view that revolves around the Church of Rome, and leaves little to no room for other perspectives on Church history. This was Ellen White's view of history, and will continue to be their view of history until the SDA "progressives" take over.

Actually, I brought this point up with a SDA pastor when I was inquiring into the SDA church, and he wasn't prepared at all to deal with any other history that didn't have the evil Catholic church at the head of things.

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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #70 on: January 03, 2013, 06:30:02 AM »
If the claims of the SDA about the role of the Church of Rome in the early Church are true we should all be RC  :D
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #71 on: January 03, 2013, 10:46:29 AM »
I think there are admirable things in various faiths such as Taoism
Boy, you really missed out. Cav., Orthonorm and I had a profitable discussion on Taoism recently.  8)

http://www.chiinnature.com/

Darn (can I say that now? um...)   That's too bad. I think I could sit and listen to 'norm give commentary/analysis of the Tao Te Ching all night, lol.

The true exegete is found in that link I gave you.

Check out the Tao Gun.

Thanks for this. That's hysterical. It's kind of sad though how almost every representation of "Taoism" in the West is fraudulent.

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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #72 on: January 03, 2013, 11:04:04 AM »
RE: Mixing faiths:

Some might have a bit of truth, but then again, the Devil comes as an Angel of Light. IMHO, if you call yourself Orthodox, yet you mix aspect of other faiths, you're not Orthodox, and you should be very careful. Then again my opinions and a quarter will buy you a cup of coffee.....

RE: Roman Catholic prayers and WR:
Yeah, we use some of them, but they are modified to remove heresies.

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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #73 on: January 03, 2013, 11:10:18 AM »
Full disclosure: half the reason I liked Bulfinch's Mythology was that lots of the gods were strapping young fellows with no shirts.
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #74 on: January 03, 2013, 11:11:52 AM »
I enjoy reading about different religions, learning more about Zorastrianism and Sikhism, two monotheistic religions.
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #75 on: January 03, 2013, 11:17:38 AM »
Full disclosure: half the reason I liked Bulfinch's Mythology was that lots of the gods were strapping young fellows with no shirts.
+1
Why does that not surprise me? ::) :D
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #76 on: January 03, 2013, 11:31:03 AM »
I know next to nothing about Sikhism, but on my path searching through the Dharmic religions, I came across Carvaka. Now that's a fascinating "anti-religion" if I ever saw one! Kind of like Lavayan Satanism without Satan.
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #77 on: January 03, 2013, 11:40:33 AM »
I know next to nothing about Sikhism, but on my path searching through the Dharmic religions, I came across Carvaka. Now that's a fascinating "anti-religion" if I ever saw one! Kind of like Lavayan Satanism without Satan.

Yes, I was quite intriqued by them during my atheist/materialist period. :)

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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #78 on: January 03, 2013, 12:27:45 PM »
Am I the only follower of Tarvuism here?  Hebbo!

what tarvuism?
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #79 on: January 03, 2013, 02:08:57 PM »
what other religions do you mix if any?
I'm inspired by four great Traditions: Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Sufism.
Cool.
Also Kabbalah/Judaism.
cool. But if you believe them all religiously, how do you manage to make them agree with each other?
They agree at the Heart, in the realm of Silence.

Just curious Jetavan, why do you seem cool with Orthodoxy when it holds exclusivistic beliefs you wouldn't agree with?
Orthodoxy is exclusivistic? I think Orthodoxy is the most inclusivistic of the Christian traditions.

How so?
Orthodoxy gives Communion to *babies*, who can't even think rationally yet. No other Church does that: they all limit Communion to "rational" thinkers. Orthodoxy includes even the pre-rational beings (and non-rational beings, therefore).
Bzzzt...Byzantine Catholics do that too. I personally witnessed it. in fact my 18-month son almost had an early "First Communion" time before last I went. I was not sure what that would mean for him in my regular (Roman) parish so I didn't have him receive it.
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #80 on: January 03, 2013, 02:33:05 PM »
This sums it up nicely..

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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #81 on: January 03, 2013, 03:18:22 PM »
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Orthodoxy gives Communion to *babies*, who can't even think rationally yet. No other Church does that: they all limit Communion to "rational" thinkers. Orthodoxy includes even the pre-rational beings (and non-rational beings, therefore)
And?

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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #82 on: January 03, 2013, 03:32:39 PM »
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Orthodoxy gives Communion to *babies*, who can't even think rationally yet. No other Church does that: they all limit Communion to "rational" thinkers. Orthodoxy includes even the pre-rational beings (and non-rational beings, therefore)
And?

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This may require a 'level of intelligence' verse 'God's grace' face-off thread.

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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #83 on: January 03, 2013, 04:15:28 PM »
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Orthodoxy gives Communion to *babies*, who can't even think rationally yet. No other Church does that: they all limit Communion to "rational" thinkers. Orthodoxy includes even the pre-rational beings (and non-rational beings, therefore)
And?

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...and that is more inclusive than limiting Communion to rational thinkers.
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #84 on: January 03, 2013, 04:26:03 PM »
But when it comes to rational thinkers 97% of the population is automatically excluded (99.7% in America)... ;)

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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #85 on: January 03, 2013, 04:31:59 PM »
But when it comes to rational thinkers 97% of the population is automatically excluded (99.7% in America)... ;)

Reason is antithetical to thought.
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #86 on: January 03, 2013, 09:12:10 PM »
If the claims of the SDA about the role of the Church of Rome in the early Church are true we should all be RC  :D

Well from the perspective of the largest body of Christians in the world, the Roman Catholic church, which out numbers EO Christians about 3 to 1, the SDA do see the embodiment of the RC church in this matter.

Since RC & EO were united pre-Great Schism, it applies.

Most of the writings against the "Roman Catholics" are applied that way to convert the larger body.  The Eastern Orthodox Catholic Church & Roman Catholic Church are one in the same early on.
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #87 on: January 03, 2013, 09:28:49 PM »
Well from the perspective of the largest body of Christians in the world, the Roman Catholic church, which out numbers EO Christians about 3 to 1, the SDA do see the embodiment of the RC church in this matter.
What does the size of current Roman Catholicism have to do with the pre-Schism topic? Just because RC is currently large and thinks it is the main continuing church doesn't mean an offshoot can take its claims as authoritative.

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Since RC & EO were united pre-Great Schism, it applies.

Most of the writings against the "Roman Catholics" are applied that way to convert the larger body.  The Eastern Orthodox Catholic Church & Roman Catholic Church are one in the same early on.
Except it doesn't apply. They're retrofitting a papal-dominant ecclesiology that doesn't exist prior to the schism, and definitely not the sort that existed in the 19th century of Ellen White. So what can be said of Rome cannot be said of the rest of the churches just because they "were united."

To their further discredit, it doesn't apply to the Assyrian Church of the East and the Oriental Orthodox.
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #88 on: January 03, 2013, 10:58:41 PM »
Am I the only follower of Tarvuism here?  Hebbo!

what tarvuism?

I'm glad you asked!  This video will explain everything.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-t7MV-Z6Pc

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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #89 on: January 04, 2013, 11:40:20 AM »
what other religions do you mix if any?
I'm inspired by four great Traditions: Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Sufism.
Cool.
Also Kabbalah/Judaism.
cool. But if you believe them all religiously, how do you manage to make them agree with each other?
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #90 on: January 04, 2013, 12:33:16 PM »
I used to study a variety of different religions here and there, nothing too crazy.  The older I become and now that I have found the true Church, I have no desire to learn of the heresies of man.  I honestly don’t care much of what they have to say anymore.

Exactly. That's how I feel.

I am of the same inclination.

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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #91 on: January 04, 2013, 08:15:23 PM »
To add: Acts 20:5-7 seems to say that they gathered on Sunday for the breaking of bread; and the Didache speaks of a "Lord's Day" and not a sabbath, which would make more sense if it were a Sunday.

I'll post a couple of links on these from churches I do not go to. I ask all to read the content, and not just judge labels.

About the Sabbath:
http://www.sdanet.org/atissue/books/27/27-19.htm

About Acts 20, 1 Corinthians 16:2, Revelation 1:10, Romans 14:5, Galations 4:9-11, Colossians 2:14 :
http://www.yrm.org/popular.htm

Again people PLEASE read the content and not just form labels on others.  Point out where their logic is wrong and interpretations in context of their CONTENT.



http://www.yrm.org/sacrifice-qa.htm this specific page is stupid though. It says that at the kingdom the role of jesus will change, and people who haven't received him as salvation, until then, will have to start the sacrifices again, because his blood will not do anything. And it uses some scriptures from the old testament, to prove its weird point.
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #92 on: January 04, 2013, 08:23:39 PM »
http://www.yrm.org/sacrifice-qa.htm this specific page is stupid though. It says that at the kingdom the role of jesus will change...

That's all the further I got. They're not aware that the kingdom is already here?

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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #93 on: January 04, 2013, 08:26:59 PM »
http://www.yrm.org/sacrifice-qa.htm this specific page is stupid though. It says that at the kingdom the role of jesus will change...

That's all the further I got. They're not aware that the kingdom is already here?

Maybe that's my problem. I need to make some animal sacrifices... does KFC count?

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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #94 on: January 04, 2013, 08:47:25 PM »
http://www.yrm.org/sacrifice-qa.htm this specific page is stupid though. It says that at the kingdom the role of jesus will change...

That's all the further I got. They're not aware that the kingdom is already here?

Maybe that's my problem. I need to make some animal sacrifices... does KFC count?

If you say the pre-meal prayer first. :)

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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #95 on: January 05, 2013, 09:34:52 PM »
http://www.yrm.org/sacrifice-qa.htm this specific page is stupid though. It says that at the kingdom the role of jesus will change...

That's all the further I got. They're not aware that the kingdom is already here?

Maybe that's my problem. I need to make some animal sacrifices... does KFC count?

lol!!!!
absolutely. Have you got any yet?
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #96 on: January 05, 2013, 09:37:12 PM »
http://www.yrm.org/sacrifice-qa.htm this specific page is stupid though. It says that at the kingdom the role of jesus will change...

That's all the further I got. They're not aware that the kingdom is already here?

Maybe that's my problem. I need to make some animal sacrifices... does KFC count?
Chick-Fil-A might be more appropriate.
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Re: what other faiths do you mix?
« Reply #97 on: January 05, 2013, 09:40:10 PM »
http://www.yrm.org/sacrifice-qa.htm this specific page is stupid though. It says that at the kingdom the role of jesus will change...

That's all the further I got. They're not aware that the kingdom is already here?

ask them? how should I know?
But by kingdom they meant after he comes back. After that day. You will have to go back to the sacrifices of the OT, if you haven't accepted him as salvation by then. Because his blood will no longer do anything. At least that is what I got out of it. It's weird I am telling you.
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