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« on: December 26, 2012, 07:28:25 PM »

There is a Saint somewhere who practiced Mystical Conception of Jesus in the Heart.
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« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2012, 07:36:40 PM »

I'll just leave this right here  Wink Tongue
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« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2012, 07:45:19 PM »

No offense but this sounds like some 1990s Evangelical teenage girl "I <3 Jesus" mumbo jumbo
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« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2012, 08:11:06 PM »

There is a Saint somewhere who practiced Mystical Conception of Jesus in the Heart.

So....?

No name of alleged saint and no explanation of whatever the heck "Mystical Conception of Jesus in the Heart" is. The name sounds foreign to Orthodox terminology. Maybe you would like to explain it so that we can know what you want to talk about.
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« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2012, 08:13:24 PM »

Wut?
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« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2012, 08:33:03 PM »

Never heard of it.
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« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2012, 10:39:56 PM »

Well, I can see why the "Ask Jesus into your heart" is being rejected.
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« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2012, 10:54:06 PM »

There is a Saint somewhere who practiced Mystical Conception of Jesus in the Heart.

So....?

No name of alleged saint and no explanation of whatever the heck "Mystical Conception of Jesus in the Heart" is. The name sounds foreign to Orthodox terminology. Maybe you would like to explain it so that we can know what you want to talk about.

Well, I thought my understanding of Jesus would translate properly.
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« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2012, 10:55:40 PM »

Well, I can see why the "Ask Jesus into your heart" is being rejected.

Again, we are hampered by the fact that we cannot get into your head to understand your context. We are left only with a couple cryptic sentences. They appear to be in English, but if you do not provide explanations and context and all that, I'm going to need some kind of Rosetta Stone to understand what you're talking about, I'm afraid.
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« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2012, 11:04:41 PM »

Well, I can see why the "Ask Jesus into your heart" is being rejected.

My heart isn't big enough for him, but if you want to talk to him he's in my nous cleansing it. (this is a joke, not a jab at you)

Again, we are hampered by the fact that we cannot get into your head to understand your context.

This.

WPM, many of your posts seem to be this way, where you say something as though everyone understands what you are talking about, when we really don't. I'm not saying this to be a jerk or judge you. In fact it makes perfect sense to me that some people would relate to others that way. I'm just saying that we need more.  Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2012, 11:09:58 PM »

Its translated result of the Jesus Prayer.

Its the monk wandering the forest or the desert that lives in a different reality.

The Evangelical Thing "Ask Jesus into your heart" actually works when it takes on the conception of the Jesus Prayer.
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« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2012, 11:15:16 PM »

Never heard of it.

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Its not me ... its the monk wandering around in the desert.
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« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2012, 11:17:30 PM »

Well, I can see why the "Ask Jesus into your heart" is being rejected.

My heart isn't big enough for him, but if you want to talk to him he's in my nous cleansing it. (this is a joke, not a jab at you)

Again, we are hampered by the fact that we cannot get into your head to understand your context.

This.

WPM, many of your posts seem to be this way, where you say something as though everyone understands what you are talking about, when we really don't. I'm not saying this to be a jerk or judge you. In fact it makes perfect sense to me that some people would relate to others that way. I'm just saying that we need more.  Smiley


You need more ... Do you need context and systematic outline -
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« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2012, 11:24:26 PM »

No offense but this sounds like some 1990s Evangelical teenage girl "I <3 Jesus" mumbo jumbo

No, that's not what that is.
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« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2012, 11:26:22 PM »

You said:

There is a Saint somewhere who practiced Mystical Conception of Jesus in the Heart.

Here is what comes to mind when I read that in the OP:

- What saint? Does he want us to tell him the name? Is this thread about finding out who this saint is?

- What is this "Mystical Conception" thing? Is that what this is about? Why didn't he explain it? Am I supposed to know already?

- Is this an Orthodox thing or not? It's not in faith issues, but rather religious topics. What exactly is it all about, eh?
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« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2012, 11:30:01 PM »

- What is this "Mystical Conception" thing?

Why do you need a Treatise and Explanation for that?...
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« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2012, 11:32:11 PM »

Okay. I'm understanding a little more now. Thank you!

WPM, when I read the subject "mystical concpetion of Jesus in the heart" I thought it meant conception as in conceiving a child. But conception can also relate to concept. Were you referring to the latter?

Yes, I see a correlation between the Jesus Prayer and the Protestants wanting people to "ask Jesus into their hearts." There is a difference, however, in that most of that type of Protestants, I gather, see this as a one-time thing and would look down on the Jesus Prayer as being "vain repetition." True, it can be done in vain, but calling upon the Lord with humility and faith is never in vain, and God never tires of the soul that trusts in Him.
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« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2012, 11:33:05 PM »

- What is this "Mystical Conception" thing?

Why do you need a Treatise and Explanation for that?...

A summation would have sufficed--though you've now given us enough bread crumbs that we found the way  angel
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« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2012, 11:37:13 PM »

I didn't know you needed a Treatise and a Philosophical Explanation.
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« Reply #19 on: December 26, 2012, 11:38:01 PM »

Well now you know, and knowing is half the battle!
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« Reply #20 on: December 26, 2012, 11:39:12 PM »

Patriarch Athenagoras of Mt. Athos?
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« Reply #21 on: December 26, 2012, 11:41:54 PM »

Patriarch Athenagoras of Mt. Athos?

Patriarch Athenagoras I was never of Mt. Athos, AFAIK, something for which many Athonites are grateful, I'm sure.
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« Reply #22 on: December 26, 2012, 11:44:53 PM »

You said:

There is a Saint somewhere who practiced Mystical Conception of Jesus in the Heart.

Here is what comes to mind when I read that in the OP:

- What saint? Does he want us to tell him the name? Is this thread about finding out who this saint is?

- What is this "Mystical Conception" thing? Is that what this is about? Why didn't he explain it? Am I supposed to know already?

- Is this an Orthodox thing or not? It's not in faith issues, but rather religious topics. What exactly is it all about, eh?

That is something that happens after you go through the Mystagogy process of the Holy Spirit ... Its not contingent on whether is accepted by clergy or not.
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« Reply #23 on: December 26, 2012, 11:48:33 PM »

Yes, I'm aware of your DIY/Cafeteria/loner approach, you don't have to defend it to me.  Smiley
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« Reply #24 on: December 26, 2012, 11:56:13 PM »

Well, the Internet makes for a poor social function.
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« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2012, 03:43:00 PM »

What on God's green earth did I just read.
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« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2012, 06:57:42 PM »

Let me correct the first post.

What I was speaking of is related to The Monk and the Jesus Prayer - After a verbal recitation of the Jesus Prayer is translated as "prayer activity" in the Nousia/Heart area.
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« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2012, 11:13:47 PM »

Let me correct the first post.

What I was speaking of is related to The Monk and the Jesus Prayer - After a verbal recitation of the Jesus Prayer is translated as "prayer activity" in the Nousia/Heart area.

WPM,

Most English readers when reading English are going to think that when you write:

A String of Words which are Underlined and have the "Important" Words Capitalized

You are referring to titles of titles of magazines, books, newspapers, academic journals, films, television shows, long poems, plays, operas, musical albums, works of art, etc.

Technically, they should be italicized when you can and we can here, but underlining conveys the meaning.

Are you referring to any of the above when you are "emphasizing" what you are saying?

EDIT: If you merely want to emphasize something use bold without any odd capitalization preferably or  ALL CAPS. Or both if you really want to scream something at someone.
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