Topic: Lossky, Frs. Schemm. and Meyendorff not reliable?

[LBK]

*slow clap*

Was this sarcastic?

Devin is a devotee of the Fr Thomas Hopko and Jeannie Constantinou school of thought. 

[Thomas]

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[Carl Kraeff (Second Chance)]

There are folks in this world who for reasons that are important to them criticize and or condemn perfectly orthodox theologians and leaders, such as Fathers Lossky, Schmemann and Meyendorff. They have even attacked Father Alexander Men of blessed memory and current hierarchs, such as Metropolitans Kallistos (Ware) and Hilarion (Alfayev). These folks are zealots and tend to believe that they are (a) better than the rest of Orthodox and/or (b) the true Orthodox, with the rest being heretical.

or c) *fanfare* without conspiracy theories or any other hullabaloo just happen to disagree with them.

We don't believe in infallible clerics. People make mistakes.

I agree with you in the main. However, isn't there a difference between disagreement and condemnation? I think that this difference is clearly shown in the works by Father Andrew Philips (disagreement) and Father Daniel Sysoiev (condemnation).

[Alpo]

Ok, liberal enough for you? 

I don't consider that liberal. In my opinion all those are wrong (though not really that unheard in my local church) but by "liberal" I mean more radical thoughts. Like bishop Spong and the like.

I agree with you in the main. However, isn't there a difference between disagreement and condemnation? I think that this difference is clearly shown in the works by Father Andrew Philips (disagreement) and Father Daniel Sysoiev (condemnation).

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There is a difference but I know just about nothing about those two Fathers.

[Gunnarr]

The majority of the articles on the Orthodox England site must be treated with great caution. Some don't even stand up to basic scrutiny.

I'm shocked at the article posted. It attributes the views of these authors as being innovation and western. Yet actually things like the idea of "sacred liturgical language", priesthood being exclusive to hierarchy are both actually Western influences on Russia and not the idea of vernacular language and priesthood of all believers.

He even condemns his-holiness Metropolitan Hilarion Alfeyev as a heretic which is Quite unfortunate. God-willing, Metropolitan Hilarion Alfeyev will be the next Patriarch of Moscow.

Metropolitan Hilarion is no saint, and I hope he is never patriarch. Recently he gave his blessing to an Archpriest to hold join an joint service with the anglicans, letting the anglican priest into the altar and let him read the epistles and joint prayer with anglicans. He is ignoring the agreement with ROCOR and is ignoring canons.

you can see more about that here:

http://blagogon.ru/digest/364/

[Gunnarr]

but anyway to talk about the OP, I know nothing about any of them. I don't see the point in reading them, just read the holy fathers and then you will not be confused as to who is right or wrong because you know they are right.