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Has this image been photoshopped to make the Chalice and Diskos larger than usual? Or do they use super-sized items during the Paschal Patriarchal Liturgy? |
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« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2012, 10:03:05 AM » |
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No, it's not 'shopped. Large chalices and patens are made for use where there are large numbers of communicants. The one in the photo is by no means the largest I've seen.  |
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« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2012, 10:08:12 AM » |
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Has this image been photoshopped to make the Chalice and Diskos larger than usual? Or do they use super-sized items during the Paschal Patriarchal Liturgy? Sometimes there may be over a thousand people at a Liturgy. In the Slavic tradition. the Communion is from the gifts offered at that service from one Chalice (and Diskos), after they are sanctified, the Communion is divided to other chalices to speed up the Communion of the people. |
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« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2012, 12:44:12 PM » |
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I've attended plenty of liturgies with well over a 100 communicants, but even then, the Gifts were prepared in one Chalice and transferred to others (with more wine being added accordingly). Still, it's interesting to know that.
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« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2012, 12:56:52 PM » |
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In the Slavic tradition. the Communion is from the gifts offered at that service from one Chalice (and Diskos), after they are sanctified, the Communion is divided to other chalices to speed up the Communion of the people.
How is it done in other traditions then? Multiple chalices during consecration? |
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LOL! That's funny!
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« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2013, 11:49:32 AM » |
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In the Slavic tradition. the Communion is from the gifts offered at that service from one Chalice (and Diskos), after they are sanctified, the Communion is divided to other chalices to speed up the Communion of the people.
How is it done in other traditions then? Multiple chalices during consecration? At my church when we have two priests for comunion, one chalice is consecrated at the consecration and then, at the priests' communion, blood from the consecrated chalice is added to the second chalice to consecrate the wine therein. |
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Maybe they are made in Texas HAHA  Look at the size of that Lamb! I wonder if one priest will finish that off after everyone else partakes.  I was picking on a friend of mine talking about big Chalices and how heavy they must be. His reply was "and they are filled with wine so there is extra weight." My reply was, "yeah, and Blood is even denser than wine!"  |
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« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2013, 02:51:22 AM » |
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Maybe they are made in Texas HAHA Look at the size of that Lamb! I wonder if one priest will finish that off after everyone else partakes. I was picking on a friend of mine talking about big Chalices and how heavy they must be. His reply was "and they are filled with wine so there is extra weight." My reply was, "yeah, and Blood is even denser than wine!" Like my joke years ago when the subject of how much money our parish was spending per year on incense came up. "All that money going up in smoke." That didn't go over very well. |
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Maybe they are made in Texas HAHA If they were so lucky!!! |
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I don't think joking about communion in any shape or form is funny.
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First of all this was most certainly was not meant as a joke. The statement was a quite tongue in cheek as to the pride of anything created in Texas. Many would consider it a distinct honor to utilize any sacred vessel created in that grand state and blessed for Gods sacred service. For others who are perhaps from less prideful origins it is completely understandable and to this end, in Christian love, I accept your admonishment. Blessings.
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First of all this was most certainly was not meant as a joke. The statement was a quite tongue in cheek as to the pride of anything created in Texas. Many would consider it a distinct honor to utilize any sacred vessel created in that grand state and blessed for Gods sacred service. For others who are perhaps from less prideful origins it is completely understandable and to this end, in Christian love, I accept your admonishment. Blessings.
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« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2013, 09:06:42 AM » |
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I don't think joking about communion in any shape or form is funny.
Please forgive me if any of my comments caused you any anger or stress. I ensure you, I would never make jokes about the very Body and Blood of our Lord. Read carefully, my comment about how big the lamb was in that picture was an honest question. It's so big I really want to know if one priest might consume it all or if it's split up with other priest if there is still a large portion after all partake of it. Now regarding the comment about wine and Blood and the weight of the chalice. Asking and pondering the weight of that big of a chalice is sincere, most of them are made of gold or silver and could get very heavy. My friend who made the comment that it would be even heavier with wine is a catechumen of about five to six months. I was reassuring him that there is no wine, but the Blood of our Lord in the chalice. He smiled and understood because he is still learning and I wanted to teach that point in a friendly manor as to not cause him to fall into sin. Again, I humbly get on my knees and beg you, forgive me if I have caused you any anger or stress with my comments. Lord have mercy on me, a sinner! |
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I don't think joking about communion in any shape or form is funny.
Usually when someone starts off a sentence with those three words, I am pretty sure they are telling me the truth. |
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« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2013, 03:01:06 PM » |
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At my church when we have two priests for comunion, one chalice is consecrated at the consecration and then, at the priests' communion, blood from the consecrated chalice is added to the second chalice to consecrate the wine therein.
 I thought this is a Protestant practice. So basically consecrated and non-consecrated wines are mixed? |
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« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2013, 03:34:52 PM » |
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At my church when we have two priests for comunion, one chalice is consecrated at the consecration and then, at the priests' communion, blood from the consecrated chalice is added to the second chalice to consecrate the wine therein.
I thought this is a Protestant practice. So basically consecrated and non-consecrated wines are mixed? Still better than other sollutions. |
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« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2013, 04:41:42 PM » |
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At my church when we have two priests for comunion, one chalice is consecrated at the consecration and then, at the priests' communion, blood from the consecrated chalice is added to the second chalice to consecrate the wine therein.
I thought this is a Protestant practice. So basically consecrated and non-consecrated wines are mixed? How can this be a protestant practice when protestants do not believe the wine becomes the blood of Christ? Once the consecrated blood is added to the wine in the other chalice it becomes consecrated, it transforms the wine just as it transforms us when we partake. |
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« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2013, 04:48:24 PM » |
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At my church when we have two priests for comunion, one chalice is consecrated at the consecration and then, at the priests' communion, blood from the consecrated chalice is added to the second chalice to consecrate the wine therein.
I thought this is a Protestant practice. So basically consecrated and non-consecrated wines are mixed? How can this be a protestant practice when protestants do not believe the wine becomes the blood of Christ? Once the consecrated blood is added to the wine in the other chalice it becomes consecrated, it transforms the wine just as it transforms us when we partake. I love this explanation and it is very consistent with our beliefs. |
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At my church when we have two priests for comunion, one chalice is consecrated at the consecration and then, at the priests' communion, blood from the consecrated chalice is added to the second chalice to consecrate the wine therein.
I thought this is a Protestant practice. So basically consecrated and non-consecrated wines are mixed? How can this be a protestant practice when protestants do not believe the wine becomes the blood of Christ? Some do. Most of the Protestants in my country do. |
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« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2013, 05:27:09 PM » |
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At my church when we have two priests for comunion, one chalice is consecrated at the consecration and then, at the priests' communion, blood from the consecrated chalice is added to the second chalice to consecrate the wine therein.
I thought this is a Protestant practice. So basically consecrated and non-consecrated wines are mixed? How can this be a protestant practice when protestants do not believe the wine becomes the blood of Christ? Once the consecrated blood is added to the wine in the other chalice it becomes consecrated, it transforms the wine just as it transforms us when we partake. Or It dilutes... |
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At my church when we have two priests for comunion, one chalice is consecrated at the consecration and then, at the priests' communion, blood from the consecrated chalice is added to the second chalice to consecrate the wine therein.
I thought this is a Protestant practice. So basically consecrated and non-consecrated wines are mixed? How can this be a protestant practice when protestants do not believe the wine becomes the blood of Christ? Once the consecrated blood is added to the wine in the other chalice it becomes consecrated, it transforms the wine just as it transforms us when we partake. Or It dilutes... It cannot be diluted. |
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At my church when we have two priests for comunion, one chalice is consecrated at the consecration and then, at the priests' communion, blood from the consecrated chalice is added to the second chalice to consecrate the wine therein.
I thought this is a Protestant practice. So basically consecrated and non-consecrated wines are mixed? How can this be a protestant practice when protestants do not believe the wine becomes the blood of Christ? Once the consecrated blood is added to the wine in the other chalice it becomes consecrated, it transforms the wine just as it transforms us when we partake. Post of the month? |
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« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2013, 10:13:06 PM » |
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I don't think joking about communion in any shape or form is funny.
Usually when someone starts off a sentence with those three words, I am pretty sure they are telling me the truth. Just grew up taught joking about communion was one of the biggest no nos. saw a kid kicked immediately out of my high school for pocketing communion. It is different for those who grew up in the tradition versus those who are new to it. |
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At my church when we have two priests for comunion, one chalice is consecrated at the consecration and then, at the priests' communion, blood from the consecrated chalice is added to the second chalice to consecrate the wine therein.
I thought this is a Protestant practice. So basically consecrated and non-consecrated wines are mixed? How can this be a protestant practice when protestants do not believe the wine becomes the blood of Christ? Once the consecrated blood is added to the wine in the other chalice it becomes consecrated, it transforms the wine just as it transforms us when we partake. Or It dilutes... I don't know if this is applicable but - "Broken and distributed is the Lamb of God; broken but never divided; ever eaten, yet never consumed, but hallowing those who partake." (The Divine Liturgy of St John Chrysostom) Could it dilute if the body is broken but never divided? |
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« Reply #30 on: January 31, 2013, 12:51:34 AM » |
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Now I'm curious.
How in the world could the priest's lift the chalice of that size? Obviously there would be many people partaking and he would have to hold it for a very long while (with one hand) while giving communion with the other.
Do they divide out of these huge chalices to other smaller ones?
I just can't believe somebody could hold a brass/silver lined chalice with what, a gallon of wine/bread for 20-25 minutes with one arm....
Forgive my ignorance, but I've NEVER seen a chalice that big. WOW, it's like an entire loaf on the discos!
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a gallon of wine/bread for 20-25 minutes with one arm....
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I just can't believe somebody could hold a brass/silver lined chalice with what, a gallon of wine/bread for 20-25 minutes with one arm....
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