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Mormon church wants more compassion for gays
« on: December 06, 2012, 09:51:45 PM »
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SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — Mormon leaders made their most significant outreach yet to gays and lesbians, unveiling a new website Thursday that encourages church members to be more compassionate in discussions about homosexuality.

Church officials insist they haven't changed the Mormon teaching that marriage is only between a man and a woman and that same-sex relationships are sinful. However, the website states that Mormons should be loving and respectful toward gays and lesbians, while appealing to gay and lesbian Mormons to stay in the church.
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Church leaders say in the presentation that gay and lesbian Mormons who are not in same-sex relationships can have "full fellowship in the church," including holding the priesthood and participating in temple rituals — a privilege reserved only for church members in good standing. And the church said it would no longer "necessarily advise" gays to "marry those of the opposite sex."

"Same-sex attraction itself is not a sin, but yielding to it is," the website states. "However, through repentance Jesus Christ will offer forgiveness."

OK, so in other words, the Mormons have the same position as the Catholics.
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Re: Mormon church wants more compassion for gays
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2012, 12:29:59 AM »
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SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — Mormon leaders made their most significant outreach yet to gays and lesbians, unveiling a new website Thursday that encourages church members to be more compassionate in discussions about homosexuality.

Church officials insist they haven't changed the Mormon teaching that marriage is only between a man and a woman and that same-sex relationships are sinful. However, the website states that Mormons should be loving and respectful toward gays and lesbians, while appealing to gay and lesbian Mormons to stay in the church.
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Church leaders say in the presentation that gay and lesbian Mormons who are not in same-sex relationships can have "full fellowship in the church," including holding the priesthood and participating in temple rituals — a privilege reserved only for church members in good standing. And the church said it would no longer "necessarily advise" gays to "marry those of the opposite sex."

"Same-sex attraction itself is not a sin, but yielding to it is," the website states. "However, through repentance Jesus Christ will offer forgiveness."

OK, so in other words, the Mormons have the same position as the Catholics.

Wow, I'm surprised they made such a radical shift.

I wonder if this means they're removing the part about homosexuality from the baptismal interview as well.
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Re: Mormon church wants more compassion for gays
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2012, 01:33:28 AM »
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SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — Mormon leaders made their most significant outreach yet to gays and lesbians, unveiling a new website Thursday that encourages church members to be more compassionate in discussions about homosexuality.

Church officials insist they haven't changed the Mormon teaching that marriage is only between a man and a woman and that same-sex relationships are sinful. However, the website states that Mormons should be loving and respectful toward gays and lesbians, while appealing to gay and lesbian Mormons to stay in the church.
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Church leaders say in the presentation that gay and lesbian Mormons who are not in same-sex relationships can have "full fellowship in the church," including holding the priesthood and participating in temple rituals — a privilege reserved only for church members in good standing. And the church said it would no longer "necessarily advise" gays to "marry those of the opposite sex."

"Same-sex attraction itself is not a sin, but yielding to it is," the website states. "However, through repentance Jesus Christ will offer forgiveness."

OK, so in other words, the Mormons have the same position as the Catholics.

Wow, I'm surprised they made such a radical shift.

I wonder if this means they're removing the part about homosexuality from the baptismal interview as well.

You shouldn't be surprised; I've been saying for a while that if you give it thirty years, the Mormons will have a revelation from God declaring gay marriage.
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Re: Mormon church wants more compassion for gays
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2012, 01:39:27 AM »
You shouldn't be surprised; I've been saying for a while that if you give it thirty years, the Mormons will have a revelation from God declaring gay marriage.
I think I'm more surprised over how sudden it was than surprised of it happening at all. I wonder if granting black access to priesthood was this sudden.

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Re: Mormon church wants more compassion for gays
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2012, 01:58:31 AM »
The irony is that the Mormon church is more Christian than most of the traditional Christians on this.
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Re: Mormon church wants more compassion for gays
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2012, 11:08:27 AM »
Why surprised, this is typical operating procedure.  A teaching is publicly debated and vigorously attacked/dissected/argued and the church after seeing the PR damage takes action to change/soften the official Church stance, and create an opportunity to retain or recruit new members.

Examples:
Blacks in the priesthood.
Pictures of Christ in Churches (For as long as I was a Mormon you would only see Joseph Smith pictures in churches, this changed a few years ago).
now Gays.

There has been discussions that crosses are not bad and there was never a church teaching to prohibit them. Watch given time you will see them in the churches and on Mormons.
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Re: Mormon church wants more compassion for gays
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2012, 03:24:17 PM »
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SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — Mormon leaders made their most significant outreach yet to gays and lesbians, unveiling a new website Thursday that encourages church members to be more compassionate in discussions about homosexuality.

Church officials insist they haven't changed the Mormon teaching that marriage is only between a man and a woman and that same-sex relationships are sinful. However, the website states that Mormons should be loving and respectful toward gays and lesbians, while appealing to gay and lesbian Mormons to stay in the church.
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Church leaders say in the presentation that gay and lesbian Mormons who are not in same-sex relationships can have "full fellowship in the church," including holding the priesthood and participating in temple rituals — a privilege reserved only for church members in good standing. And the church said it would no longer "necessarily advise" gays to "marry those of the opposite sex."

"Same-sex attraction itself is not a sin, but yielding to it is," the website states. "However, through repentance Jesus Christ will offer forgiveness."

OK, so in other words, the Mormons have the same position as the Catholics.

Wow, I'm surprised they made such a radical shift.

I wonder if this means they're removing the part about homosexuality from the baptismal interview as well.
Where's the radical shift? Did Mormonism officially teach that simply "being homosexual" itself was a sin?
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Re: Mormon church wants more compassion for gays
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2012, 05:16:28 PM »
Where's the radical shift? Did Mormonism officially teach that simply "being homosexual" itself was a sin?
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Church leaders say in the presentation that gay and lesbian Mormons who are not in same-sex relationships can have "full fellowship in the church," including holding the priesthood and participating in temple rituals — a privilege reserved only for church members in good standing.

They couldn't do these things before. So I'd say yes, even if not "officially."

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Re: Mormon church wants more compassion for gays
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2012, 05:18:43 PM »
Where's the radical shift? Did Mormonism officially teach that simply "being homosexual" itself was a sin?
In the article:

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Church leaders say in the presentation that gay and lesbian Mormons who are not in same-sex relationships can have "full fellowship in the church," including holding the priesthood and participating in temple rituals — a privilege reserved only for church members in good standing.

They couldn't do these things before. So I'd say yes, even if not "officially."
I believe it has been done before.
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Re: Mormon church wants more compassion for gays
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2012, 05:22:32 PM »
Something like it been done before.
Interesting. Maybe the shift has been more gradual than I was aware of, but I'm sure one could still find more instances of members losing their temple recommends over it than not. Until now, at least.

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Re: Mormon church wants more compassion for gays
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2012, 09:05:39 PM »
Why surprised, this is typical operating procedure.  A teaching is publicly debated and vigorously attacked/dissected/argued and the church after seeing the PR damage takes action to change/soften the official Church stance, and create an opportunity to retain or recruit new members.

Examples:
Blacks in the priesthood.
Pictures of Christ in Churches (For as long as I was a Mormon you would only see Joseph Smith pictures in churches, this changed a few years ago).
now Gays.

There has been discussions that crosses are not bad and there was never a church teaching to prohibit them. Watch given time you will see them in the churches and on Mormons.

Don't forget though that both with blacks in the priesthood and this issue, much of the debate and arguing and attack has come from members of the Mormon Church.
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Re: Mormon church wants more compassion for gays
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2012, 09:48:51 PM »
Why surprised, this is typical operating procedure.  A teaching is publicly debated and vigorously attacked/dissected/argued and the church after seeing the PR damage takes action to change/soften the official Church stance, and create an opportunity to retain or recruit new members.

Examples:
Blacks in the priesthood.
Pictures of Christ in Churches (For as long as I was a Mormon you would only see Joseph Smith pictures in churches, this changed a few years ago).
now Gays.

There has been discussions that crosses are not bad and there was never a church teaching to prohibit them. Watch given time you will see them in the churches and on Mormons.

Don't forget though that both with blacks in the priesthood and this issue, much of the debate and arguing and attack has come from members of the Mormon Church.
The two issues are a bit different: one (the Black priesthood issue) involves returning to a previous position, whereas the other (the gay issue) involves greater empathy towards a group of people (who are still prohibited from being sexually active). Black priests did exist until Brigham Young prohibited them; the LDS church returned to its previous position on Black priesthood, in 1978.
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Re: Mormon church wants more compassion for gays
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2012, 10:25:18 PM »
The two issues are a bit different: one (the Black priesthood issue) involves returning to a previous position, whereas the other (the gay issue) involves greater empathy towards a group of people (who are still prohibited from being sexually active). Black priests did exist until Brigham Young prohibited them; the LDS church returned to its previous position on Black priesthood, in 1978.
I didn't realize that Brigham Young was the one to prohibit it, but it does explain why the non-LDS branches never, to the best of my knowledge, had a similar prohibition.