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« on: December 06, 2012, 06:50:57 PM »
Since the Entrance has passed accordingly to both calendars I think it's OK to start a carol thread.

For a start my favourite carol indigenous to my father's home village (however sung in Ukrainian, not in the local Belarusian dialect and in some pseudo-pop version).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZEI_kjdRyw#t=0m10s
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« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2012, 06:59:00 PM »
Christmas carols? My favorite:

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« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2012, 07:04:56 PM »
My favorite is undoubtedly O Come, O Come, Emmanuel
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Re: Carols
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2012, 07:37:34 PM »
Does it have to be a religious-themed carol?

Because my all-time favorite is an old Spike Jones piece called "I'm Gettin' Nothin' for Christmas ('Cause I Ain't Been Nothin' But Bad)".

Though if you think about it, that's just another way of saying "I'm the greatest of sinners" - right?

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Re: Carols
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2012, 07:42:14 PM »
"Angels We Have Heard on High"

Nobody plays that anymore.  :-[

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« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2012, 07:48:48 PM »
"Come all ye faithful..."  and "Joy to the World."  I sing them (among other traditional western Christmas carols) during the distribution of the antidoron following the Divine Liturgy for the Feast of the Nativity of our Lord, after "Thy Birth O Christ our God..." and "The Virgin Today..."
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Re: Carols
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2012, 08:00:01 PM »
Dobry vechir tobi...

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« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2012, 09:49:03 PM »
The first Noel, the angels did say...
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Re: Carols
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2012, 12:11:40 AM »
I've always been partial to "Carol of the bells". I agree on "O Come, O Come, Emmanuel". Also I would list "What child is this?" and "Silent Night".  :)
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Re: Carols
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2012, 01:08:23 AM »
Silent Night has been rendered in various languages from the original German. Here's a superb Russian version, sung by a choir of nuns:

http://dl.biblion.realin.ru/audio/36_Russkaya_duhovnaya_muzyka._YAko_blagochestivago_korene/15_Tihaya_noch.mp3

And this truly gorgeous carol, sung by the same choir:

http://dl.biblion.realin.ru/audio/36_Russkaya_duhovnaya_muzyka._YAko_blagochestivago_korene/13_Skiniya_zlataya.mp3
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Re: Carols
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2012, 01:28:35 AM »
Christmas carols? My favorite:

God Rest Ye Merry, Gentlemen

Mine, too. I like the one sung by Barenaked Ladies, combined with We Three Kings.
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Re: Carols
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2012, 01:47:04 AM »
We Three Kings

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« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2012, 01:56:41 AM »
my all-time favorite is an old Spike Jones piece ....
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« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2012, 02:24:15 AM »
I'll throw in my vote for We Three Kings. A wonderful melody...very calming and beautiful without being drowsy or overly saccharine.

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Re: Carols
« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2012, 09:35:55 AM »
I don’t listen to Carols until the day of Christmas Eve, however I can present my favourite carols (as you can seeu, they’re generally one of my favourite songs)

Dobry vechir tobi is absolutely my favourite carols (it was also one of the first "Orthodox carols" as Ukrainian/Belarussia/Lemko carols are called in Poland - I've heard it many years ago and I fell in love).
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KMg6VAjpW8 - that's my favourite recording (video is created by me) however I have a lot of them

The second my favourite carol is a Spanish one "La marimorena" (ande ande ande la marimorena que es la nochebuena)

Others from "the first ten":
Anarchos Theos (not only in Greek, but also in Macedonian, Arabic, Romanian...)
Slava sa aiba (Romanian carol)
Soubhaban kalima (Arabic version of Syriac hymn Shoub Lhaw Qolo)
Nova Radist Stala (Ukrainian)
Eta noc sviataja (Russian? Ukrainian?)
Oj badnjace (Serbian)
O radosne vesti (Serbian)
Dobro doso Hriste (Serbian)

Well, I love A LOT of carols (generally from Orthodox countries), so now maybe by the language:
Spanish: Los peces en el rio, Ya vienen los Reyes Magos, Pastores venid
Eastern-Slavian: Anheli v nebi, Noc tiha nad Palestinaj, Wstawajtie wstawajtie, Oj na mori mori, Tri slavnije carije, Nebo i zemlia (in Polish known as Dzisiaj w Betlejem)
Greek: Kalanta protochonias, kalanta pontou,
Romanian/Moldovan: La poarta la stefan voda, Inchinarea magilor, La viflem colo-njos, La Lina Fantana, Rataceam printr o gradina
Arabic: A3tini elkalam, Al-majd lika Al-Masseeh, Arsal Allah, Ya Mariam el bekr
Polish: Gdy śliczna Panna, Wśród nocnej ciszy, Bóg się rodzi,
Others: Adeste fideles, O pastiri vjerni cuvari (Croatian ;)), Tri mudreci (Macedonian), God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen
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Re: Carols
« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2012, 12:51:19 PM »
This is my favorite, pre-Christmas hymn:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4cNnZgMW18
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Re: Carols
« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2012, 03:25:41 PM »
Since the Entrance has passed accordingly to both calendars I think it's OK to start a carol thread.

For a start my favourite carol indigenous to my father's home village (however sung in Ukrainian, not in the local Belarusian dialect and in some pseudo-pop version).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZEI_kjdRyw#t=0m10s

I like this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H94Z9FASV8E

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« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2012, 03:30:55 PM »
I like this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H94Z9FASV8E

If you want it folk, do it folk, if you want it pop - do it pop, if you want to mix pod and folk - think about that because it's very difficult to make something hearable. For me it's not, sorry.

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Re: Carols
« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2012, 04:09:38 PM »
Since the Entrance has passed accordingly to both calendars I think it's OK to start a carol thread.

For a start my favourite carol indigenous to my father's home village (however sung in Ukrainian, not in the local Belarusian dialect and in some pseudo-pop version).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZEI_kjdRyw#t=0m10s

this is really lovely, thanks for cheering my evening  :)

i also loved dominika's Dobry vechir tobi.

i'm going to go now and listen to some of the others.

i would also love it if people posted some orthodox Christmas songs in english (or translated into english).

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« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2012, 04:16:39 PM »
i would also love it if people posted some orthodox Christmas songs in english (or translated into english).

    Your Nativity, O Christ our God,
    Has shone to the world the Light of wisdom!
    For by it, those who worshipped the stars,
    Were taught by a Star to adore You,
    The Sun of Righteousness,
    And to know You, the Orient from on High.
    O Lord, glory to You!

    Today the Virgin gives birth to the Transcendent One,
    And the earth offers a cave to the Unapproachable One!
    Angels with shepherds glorify Him!
    The wise men journey with a star!
    Since for our sake the Eternal God was born as a Little Child!

http://orthodoxwiki.org/Nativity

These are the only orthodox Christmas songs I know about.
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Re: Carols
« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2012, 04:29:52 PM »
that's lovely, could anyone send a link with a tune?
i may use it with some people from our church.

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« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2012, 06:30:57 PM »
i would also love it if people posted some orthodox Christmas songs in english (or translated into english).

    Your Nativity, O Christ our God,
    Has shone to the world the Light of wisdom!
   
http://orthodoxwiki.org/Nativity

These are the only orthodox Christmas songs I know about.
Michał Kalina, this isn't about your ESL - you copied the text faithfully from another site. I'm the one who needs help understanding the language of these two lines. They make sense only if I read them as "Your Nativity has shown to the world the Light of wisdom!" or "Your Nativity has shone on the world the Light of wisdom!" Is it one of these, or am I missing something?

I looked up Nassar's text and found "Thy Nativity hath given rise to the light of knowledge in the world." That one I understand, and it could be argued that what I understand from Nassar's text could be paraphrased either way that I suggested. I'd appreciate some help from someone who can refer to versions in other languages, especially the ancient ones.

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« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2012, 06:43:23 PM »
I like almost anything from the 40s or 50s.  Bing, Frank, Dean, etc.  Love those guys!

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« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2012, 06:54:12 PM »
that's lovely, could anyone send a link with a tune?
i may use it with some people from our church.

Two hymns that Michal has posted are the troparion of the Nativity (the first one) and kontakion of the Nativity (the second one. They're known also in Coptic Church, especially the second one (E-parthenos). There are many melodies for them (depending on the tradition e.g Greek, Romanian, Serbian etc.), you can find easily various recordings in the Internet of them.

As we're talking about Orthodox hymn for Nativity, I would like to present my 3 favourite pieces. The first one is the troparion for the Christmas Eve:

Once Mary, pregnant with a seedless pregnancy, was registered in Bethlehem with the elder Joseph, as being of the seed of David. And while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered, but there was no room for them in the inn. But the cave showed itself to be a beauteous palace for the Queen, and Christ is born to raise up the image that fell of old!
here it is in English: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYkoXYa2aM4
and there is my video of the same hymn in Church Slavonic (I prefer this arragment as it's more traditional): www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sZFpoHSMh8&feature=g-crec-u

The other two are from the Canon of the Nativity. The irmos of the first ode:
Christ is born; glorify Him!
Christ comes from heaven; go to meet Him!
Christ is on earth; be exalted!
Sing to the Lord, all the earth!
And praise Him in gladness, all people, for He has been glorified!
And my video of it in different languages: www.youtube.com/watch?v=a13uGpyL8RA&feature=g-crec-u
In my video I used byzantine setting for it in English, here you have Eastern-Slavic (Russian) melody: www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JBzWNOvq-U

And the irmos of the ninth ode (however, the translation does not show the depth of e.g Church Slavonic text):
O my soul, magnify Her, Who is more honorable and Who is more glorious than the Heavenly Hosts.
A mystery I behold which is strange and wondrous.
The Cave is Heaven, and the Virgin is the Throne of the Cherubim;
in the confines of the manger is laid the Infinite Christ our God,
Whom we praise and magnify.
And again, my video of it in different languages: www.youtube.com/watch?v=etw_ekHBJY0&feature=g-crec-u
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Re: Carols
« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2012, 07:09:11 PM »
I like some secular pop Christmas stuff, especially by Rat Pack type guys.

Then there's Veni Veni, Emmanuel, God Rest Ye Merry, Gentlemen, What Child is This? and the Carol of the Bells.
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« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2012, 09:03:14 PM »
I like some secular pop Christmas stuff, especially by Rat Pack type guys.

Then there's Veni Veni, Emmanuel, God Rest Ye Merry, Gentlemen, What Child is This? and the Carol of the Bells.

What Child is This? is really great.
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« Reply #29 on: December 08, 2012, 06:20:53 AM »

Two hymns that Michal has posted are the troparion of the Nativity (the first one) and kontakion of the Nativity (the second one. They're known also in Coptic Church, especially the second one (E-parthenos). There are many melodies for them (depending on the tradition e.g Greek, Romanian, Serbian etc.), you can find easily various recordings in the Internet of them.


thanks for explaining this! i thought there was just one hymn there, but it is two short hymns.
i found a link for eparthenos with the english here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmFZg_89wO4

i had not realised our hymns were so similar. i looked up those tunes on the internet, but they are mainly choral arrangements.

does anyone have any easy to sing orthodox Christmas hymns?
i don't mean 'catchy' or 'pop' music, just something that does not require a trained choir to sing it! our 'eparthenos' is not in that category either, as it is very melismatic and will take me until Pascha to learn how to sing it!
mmm, that reminds me, it's about time to learn some more of the difficult songs for the paschal season...

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Re: Carols
« Reply #30 on: December 08, 2012, 03:55:00 PM »

does anyone have any easy to sing orthodox Christmas hymns?
i don't mean 'catchy' or 'pop' music, just something that does not require a trained choir to sing it! our 'eparthenos' is not in that category either, as it is very melismatic and will take me until Pascha to learn how to sing it!
mmm, that reminds me, it's about time to learn some more of the difficult songs for the paschal season...

I think the Nativity Canon chanted in the simple byzantine 1st tone is quite easy (I know there are different arrangements even of this type of chanting this hymn, but believe me, it's not so difficult to sing it) and the troparion of the Nativity chanted in the 4th tone of Russian (synodal) melody - try to find the simplest fragment. This hymn is sung by EO families before the supper on Christmas Eve and before the dinner on Christmas day, so it's not so difficult ;)
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« Reply #32 on: December 10, 2012, 01:17:52 PM »
What version do you prefer (take into account that Animal is tolling according to the Orthodox way, not the RC one)?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQjhPZUfl6g (my godfather being the conductor  8))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysIzPF3BfpQ
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« Reply #33 on: December 11, 2012, 07:50:06 PM »
i would also love it if people posted some orthodox Christmas songs in english (or translated into english).

O Come, O Come Emmanuel is Orthodox, as it's pre-schism
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« Reply #34 on: December 11, 2012, 08:37:45 PM »
i would also love it if people posted some orthodox Christmas songs in english (or translated into english).

O Come, O Come Emmanuel is Orthodox, as it's pre-schism
I doubt it is pre-Chalcedon thogh :o

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« Reply #35 on: December 11, 2012, 08:42:01 PM »
My favorite is undoubtedly O Come, O Come, Emmanuel

I like that one too!
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« Reply #36 on: December 11, 2012, 09:03:49 PM »
i would also love it if people posted some orthodox Christmas songs in english (or translated into english).

O Come, O Come Emmanuel is Orthodox, as it's pre-schism
I doubt it is pre-Chalcedon thogh :o

It's post-Constantinople (5th council) though.

My favorite is undoubtedly O Come, O Come, Emmanuel

I like that one too!

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« Reply #37 on: December 12, 2012, 12:03:57 AM »
I've always loved "Good King Wenceslas".

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Generally speaking for me most anything by Mannheim Steamroller is good.
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« Reply #39 on: December 12, 2012, 04:11:10 PM »
For a start my favourite carol indigenous to my father's home village (however sung in Ukrainian, not in the local Belarusian dialect and in some pseudo-pop version).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZEI_kjdRyw#t=0m10s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EhZ9b-iJVU&feature=autoshare

Slightly better version.
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« Reply #40 on: December 12, 2012, 04:18:44 PM »
I've always loved "Good King Wenceslas".
visited his shrine in prague a few years ago  :)
(sfaty vaclav- sorry for wrong spelling). i don't know if the shrine is of him or his father who bore the same name, but it was very exciting to be there.
the story of the page boy putting his feet into the step of 'king' (he was actually a duke) wenceslas / vaclav is actually true. the young man was very cold, and as he put his feet into the places where 'king' wenceslas trod, he warmed up by the power of God. 'king' / saint wenceslas was a holy and good duke who used to give gifts to the poor and rule wisely.

maybe our central european friends know even more about the story.
 :)

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Re: Carols
« Reply #41 on: December 12, 2012, 04:23:49 PM »
And now for something completely different:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_VAlVZ0F3M

Sacred Harp singing - "Hark the glad sound..."
"If but ten of us lead a holy life, we shall kindle a fire which shall light up the entire city."

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« Reply #42 on: December 13, 2012, 02:39:55 PM »
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Re: Carols
« Reply #43 on: December 14, 2012, 09:28:29 AM »
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the people on this forum have to stop taking themselves so seriously. None of us are some modern-day Athanasius, we all just have nothing better to do.

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Re: Carols
« Reply #44 on: December 14, 2012, 10:25:17 AM »
The unworthy hierodeacon, Vasyl