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« on: December 05, 2012, 09:42:15 PM » |
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I read a collection of his works, "The Best of Jonathan's Corner" on the Kindle, and enjoyed it. Lots of interesting things about Orthodoxy. So I decided to read another book that was available through the Kindle Owners Lending Library. The description made it sound really good, long and meaty and interesting. Here's the review I posted: http://www.amazon.com/Refutatio-Haeresium-Collected-Hayward-ebook/product-reviews/B007O85VPK/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1He hasn't stopped emailing me since (basically telling me how much smarter he is than me, and it's a Buddhist thing, plus he's poor and really needs the money, etc. etc.). He's kind of bugging me. Anyone familiar with him? |
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« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2012, 09:49:04 PM » |
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Christos Jonathan Seth Hayward wears many hats as a person: author, philosopher, theologian, artist, poet, wayfarer, philologist, inventor, web guru, teacher.
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« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2012, 09:57:43 PM » |
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Is he really a Buddhist? What type?
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If you will, you can become all flame.
Extra caritatem nulla salus.
In order to become whole, take the "I" out of "holiness".
I'm not a witch.
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"Those who say religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion is." -- Mohandas Gandhi
Y dduw bo'r diolch.
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« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2012, 10:03:14 PM » |
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Christos Jonathan Seth Hayward was contemplating the "big questions" of philosophy and theology before he could even speak. And you have the nerve to ask what kind of Buddhist?
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theistgal
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« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2012, 01:33:43 AM » |
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Before I make any more comments, perhaps I should ask if he is a member of this Forum, or a friend of anyone who is. I wouldn't want to offend anyone.
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« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2012, 10:25:21 AM » |
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Christos Jonathan Seth Hayward was contemplating the "big questions" of philosophy and theology before he could even speak. And you have the nerve to ask what kind of Buddhist?
Can someone really get the name "Christos" when converting to Orthodoxy? |
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If you will, you can become all flame.
Extra caritatem nulla salus.
In order to become whole, take the "I" out of "holiness".
I'm not a witch.
Ἄνω σχῶμεν τὰς καρδίας
"Those who say religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion is." -- Mohandas Gandhi
Y dduw bo'r diolch.
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« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2012, 11:10:33 AM » |
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I found his email on his website so I wrote to him about my complaint before I posted the review (remember, my complaint was I paid $2.99 for a book which turned out to consist of ONE WORD  ). His response: "It is said that when Buddha was asked one last question, he picked a flower. All but one of his disciples listened, waiting for an explanation. The one disciple smiled, and Buddha smiled back.
On this point Buddhism has something in common with the silence of Orthodoxy."To which I replied, "Yes, but did Buddha charge his disciples $2.99 per smile?" To which he replied: "I do not, like Buddha, demand the full surrender of possessions in extinguishing desire. You have a lesson before you. Whether or not it will be learned is your call, not mine."There was another response later, but I'll save it for the coup de grace.  |
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« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2012, 11:17:44 AM » |
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I found his email on his website so I wrote to him about my complaint before I posted the review (remember, my complaint was I paid $2.99 for a book which turned out to consist of ONE WORD ). His response: "It is said that when Buddha was asked one last question, he picked a flower. All but one of his disciples listened, waiting for an explanation. The one disciple smiled, and Buddha smiled back.
On this point Buddhism has something in common with the silence of Orthodoxy."To which I replied, "Yes, but did Buddha charge his disciples $2.99 per smile?" To which he replied: "I do not, like Buddha, demand the full surrender of possessions in extinguishing desire. You have a lesson before you. Whether or not it will be learned is your call, not mine."There was another response later, but I'll save it for the coup de grace. Nice....  |
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If you will, you can become all flame.
Extra caritatem nulla salus.
In order to become whole, take the "I" out of "holiness".
I'm not a witch.
Ἄνω σχῶμεν τὰς καρδίας
"Those who say religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion is." -- Mohandas Gandhi
Y dduw bo'r diolch.
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« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2012, 11:28:22 AM » |
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I'd recommend reporting it to Amazon - there's an option further down the page to do so.
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theistgal
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« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2012, 11:49:47 AM » |
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Already did, Nephi, and they are going to allow me to check out a 2nd book this month. :-)
So can I safely assume then that this gentleman is not, after all, a highly respected and well-known Orthodox apologist?
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« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2012, 11:53:56 AM » |
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Already did, Nephi, and they are going to allow me to check out a 2nd book this month. :-)
So can I safely assume then that this gentleman is not, after all, a highly respected and well-known Orthodox apologist?
After reading his amazon books, I would suspect not. |
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If you will, you can become all flame.
Extra caritatem nulla salus.
In order to become whole, take the "I" out of "holiness".
I'm not a witch.
Ἄνω σχῶμεν τὰς καρδίας
"Those who say religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion is." -- Mohandas Gandhi
Y dduw bo'r diolch.
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« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2012, 11:54:51 AM » |
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This guy is a living saint. You should address him as "Elder."
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« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2012, 11:59:24 AM » |
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Well, since he also emailed me a photo of his bedroom, to prove his poverty, I guess I should venerate it as a holy relic.
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« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2012, 01:00:20 PM » |
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Well, since he also emailed me a photo of his bedroom, to prove his poverty, I guess I should venerate it as a holy relic.
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« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2012, 01:59:54 PM » |
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Christos Jonathan Seth Hayward was contemplating the "big questions" of philosophy and theology before he could even speak. And you have the nerve to ask what kind of Buddhist?
Can someone really get the name "Christos" when converting to Orthodoxy? Yes, they can, and the name is common among cradles as well. Christ is Χριστός, the similar-sounding, but not identical Greek man's name is Χρήστος. Note the difference in spelling and position of the accent mark. The two words therefore sound different, and cannot be confused. The meanings are also distinct: Χριστός means anointed one; Χρήστος is derived from a word meaning good, virtuous. The root word can be found in Psalm 33: γεύσασθε καὶ ἴδετε ὅτι χρηστὸς ὁ Κύριος· μακάριος ἀνήρ, ὃς ἐλπίζει ἐπ᾿ αὐτόν. (v.9) O taste and see that the Lord is good; blessed is the man who hopes in Him. |
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« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2012, 02:09:25 PM » |
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Yes, they can, and the name is common among cradles as well. Christ is Χριστός, the similar-sounding, but not identical Greek man's name is Χρήστος. Note the difference in spelling and position of the accent mark. The two words therefore sound different, and cannot be confused. It's the same with other names. The common name Στάυρος, for example, is distinct from the word Σταυρός, which refers only to the Holy Cross. |
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« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2012, 02:10:29 PM » |
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Well, since he also emailed me a photo of his bedroom, to prove his poverty, I guess I should venerate it as a holy relic.
This sounds really strange. I would stay away. |
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« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2012, 02:00:03 PM » |
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This guy is a living saint. You should address him as "Elder."
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« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2012, 02:01:38 PM » |
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Christos Jonathan Seth Hayward was contemplating the "big questions" of philosophy and theology before he could even speak. And you have the nerve to ask what kind of Buddhist?
Can someone really get the name "Christos" when converting to Orthodoxy? Yes, they can, and the name is common among cradles as well. Christ is Χριστός, the similar-sounding, but not identical Greek man's name is Χρήστος. Note the difference in spelling and position of the accent mark. The two words therefore sound different, and cannot be confused. The meanings are also distinct: Χριστός means anointed one; Χρήστος is derived from a word meaning good, virtuous. The root word can be found in Psalm 33: γεύσασθε καὶ ἴδετε ὅτι χρηστὸς ὁ Κύριος· μακάριος ἀνήρ, ὃς ἐλπίζει ἐπ᾿ αὐτόν. (v.9) O taste and see that the Lord is good; blessed is the man who hopes in Him. sometimes the name is spelled like christ. "xristos" |
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« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2012, 03:25:33 PM » |
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This guy is a living saint. You should address him as "Elder."
are you serious? No. |
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If you will, you can become all flame.
Extra caritatem nulla salus.
In order to become whole, take the "I" out of "holiness".
I'm not a witch.
Ἄνω σχῶμεν τὰς καρδίας
"Those who say religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion is." -- Mohandas Gandhi
Y dduw bo'r diolch.
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« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2012, 05:39:11 PM » |
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Christos Jonathan Seth Hayward was contemplating the "big questions" of philosophy and theology before he could even speak. And you have the nerve to ask what kind of Buddhist?
Can someone really get the name "Christos" when converting to Orthodoxy? Yes, they can, and the name is common among cradles as well. Christ is Χριστός, the similar-sounding, but not identical Greek man's name is Χρήστος. Note the difference in spelling and position of the accent mark. The two words therefore sound different, and cannot be confused. The meanings are also distinct: Χριστός means anointed one; Χρήστος is derived from a word meaning good, virtuous. The root word can be found in Psalm 33: γεύσασθε καὶ ἴδετε ὅτι χρηστὸς ὁ Κύριος· μακάριος ἀνήρ, ὃς ἐλπίζει ἐπ᾿ αὐτόν. (v.9) O taste and see that the Lord is good; blessed is the man who hopes in Him. sometimes the name is spelled like christ. "xristos" It shouldn't be. They are two separate words, with different spellings and accents. |
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« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2012, 06:44:04 PM » |
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Christos Jonathan Seth Hayward was contemplating the "big questions" of philosophy and theology before he could even speak. And you have the nerve to ask what kind of Buddhist?
Can someone really get the name "Christos" when converting to Orthodoxy? Yes, they can, and the name is common among cradles as well. Christ is Χριστός, the similar-sounding, but not identical Greek man's name is Χρήστος. Note the difference in spelling and position of the accent mark. The two words therefore sound different, and cannot be confused. The meanings are also distinct: Χριστός means anointed one; Χρήστος is derived from a word meaning good, virtuous. The root word can be found in Psalm 33: γεύσασθε καὶ ἴδετε ὅτι χρηστὸς ὁ Κύριος· μακάριος ἀνήρ, ὃς ἐλπίζει ἐπ᾿ αὐτόν. (v.9) O taste and see that the Lord is good; blessed is the man who hopes in Him. In other words, the Jewish author of Psalms is saying that "the Lord is Christ". Now, I know the Psalmic author is not *really* saying that, but has this Psalm been used to defend the messiahship of Jesus, as a sort of prophetic Psalm? |
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If you will, you can become all flame.
Extra caritatem nulla salus.
In order to become whole, take the "I" out of "holiness".
I'm not a witch.
Ἄνω σχῶμεν τὰς καρδίας
"Those who say religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion is." -- Mohandas Gandhi
Y dduw bo'r diolch.
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« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2012, 09:40:10 AM » |
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In other words, the Jewish author of Psalms is saying that "the Lord is Christ".
No, because the word used in the Psalm is spelled differently and has a different meaning. |
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