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« on: December 05, 2012, 09:42:15 PM »

I read a collection of his works, "The Best of Jonathan's Corner" on the Kindle, and enjoyed it. Lots of interesting things about Orthodoxy.

So I decided to read another book that was available through the Kindle Owners Lending Library. The description made it sound really good, long and meaty and interesting.

Here's the review I posted:

http://www.amazon.com/Refutatio-Haeresium-Collected-Hayward-ebook/product-reviews/B007O85VPK/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

He hasn't stopped emailing me since (basically telling me how much smarter he is than me, and it's a Buddhist thing, plus he's poor and really needs the money, etc. etc.).

He's kind of bugging me. Anyone familiar with him?
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« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2012, 09:49:04 PM »

Christos Jonathan Seth Hayward wears many hats as a person: author, philosopher, theologian, artist, poet, wayfarer, philologist, inventor, web guru, teacher.
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« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2012, 09:57:43 PM »

Is he really a Buddhist? What type?
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« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2012, 10:03:14 PM »

Christos Jonathan Seth Hayward was contemplating the "big questions" of philosophy and theology before he could even speak. And you have the nerve to ask what kind of Buddhist?
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« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2012, 01:33:43 AM »

Before I make any more comments, perhaps I should ask if he is a member of this Forum, or a friend of anyone who is. I wouldn't want to offend anyone.
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« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2012, 10:25:21 AM »

Christos Jonathan Seth Hayward was contemplating the "big questions" of philosophy and theology before he could even speak. And you have the nerve to ask what kind of Buddhist?
Can someone really get the name "Christos" when converting to Orthodoxy?
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« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2012, 11:10:33 AM »

I found his email on his website so I wrote to him about my complaint before I posted the review (remember, my complaint was I paid $2.99 for a book which turned out to consist of ONE WORD  Angry).

His response:

"It is said that when Buddha was asked one last question, he picked a flower. All but one of his disciples listened, waiting for an explanation. The one disciple smiled, and Buddha smiled back.

On this point Buddhism has something in common with the silence of Orthodoxy."


To which I replied, "Yes, but did Buddha charge his disciples $2.99 per smile?"

To which he replied:

"I do not, like Buddha, demand the full surrender of possessions in extinguishing desire. You have a lesson before you. Whether or not it will be learned is your call, not mine."

There was another response later, but I'll save it for the coup de grace.  Grin
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« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2012, 11:17:44 AM »

I found his email on his website so I wrote to him about my complaint before I posted the review (remember, my complaint was I paid $2.99 for a book which turned out to consist of ONE WORD  Angry).

His response:

"It is said that when Buddha was asked one last question, he picked a flower. All but one of his disciples listened, waiting for an explanation. The one disciple smiled, and Buddha smiled back.

On this point Buddhism has something in common with the silence of Orthodoxy."


To which I replied, "Yes, but did Buddha charge his disciples $2.99 per smile?"

To which he replied:

"I do not, like Buddha, demand the full surrender of possessions in extinguishing desire. You have a lesson before you. Whether or not it will be learned is your call, not mine."

There was another response later, but I'll save it for the coup de grace.  Grin
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« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2012, 11:28:22 AM »

I'd recommend reporting it to Amazon - there's an option further down the page to do so.
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« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2012, 11:49:47 AM »

Already did, Nephi, and they are going to allow me to check out a 2nd book this month. :-)

So can I safely assume then that this gentleman is not, after all, a highly respected and well-known Orthodox apologist?
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« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2012, 11:53:56 AM »

Already did, Nephi, and they are going to allow me to check out a 2nd book this month. :-)

So can I safely assume then that this gentleman is not, after all, a highly respected and well-known Orthodox apologist?
After reading his amazon books, I would suspect not.
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« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2012, 11:54:51 AM »

This guy is a living saint. You should address him as "Elder."
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« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2012, 11:59:24 AM »

Well, since he also emailed me a photo of his bedroom, to prove his poverty,  I guess I should venerate it as a holy relic.
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« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2012, 01:00:20 PM »

Well, since he also emailed me a photo of his bedroom, to prove his poverty,  I guess I should venerate it as a holy relic.

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« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2012, 01:59:54 PM »

Christos Jonathan Seth Hayward was contemplating the "big questions" of philosophy and theology before he could even speak. And you have the nerve to ask what kind of Buddhist?
Can someone really get the name "Christos" when converting to Orthodoxy?

Yes, they can, and the name is common among cradles as well. Christ is Χριστός, the similar-sounding, but not identical Greek man's name is Χρήστος. Note the difference in spelling and position of the accent mark. The two words therefore sound different, and cannot be confused. The meanings are also distinct: Χριστός means anointed one; Χρήστος is derived from a word meaning good, virtuous. The root word can be found in Psalm 33:

γεύσασθε καὶ ἴδετε ὅτι χρηστὸς ὁ Κύριος· μακάριος ἀνήρ, ὃς ἐλπίζει ἐπ᾿ αὐτόν. (v.9)

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« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2012, 02:09:25 PM »

Yes, they can, and the name is common among cradles as well. Christ is Χριστός, the similar-sounding, but not identical Greek man's name is Χρήστος. Note the difference in spelling and position of the accent mark. The two words therefore sound different, and cannot be confused.

It's the same with other names. The common name Στάυρος, for example, is distinct from the word Σταυρός, which refers only to the Holy Cross.
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« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2012, 02:10:29 PM »

Well, since he also emailed me a photo of his bedroom, to prove his poverty,  I guess I should venerate it as a holy relic.
This sounds really strange.  I would stay away.
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« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2012, 02:00:03 PM »

This guy is a living saint. You should address him as "Elder."

are you serious?
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« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2012, 02:01:38 PM »

Christos Jonathan Seth Hayward was contemplating the "big questions" of philosophy and theology before he could even speak. And you have the nerve to ask what kind of Buddhist?
Can someone really get the name "Christos" when converting to Orthodoxy?

Yes, they can, and the name is common among cradles as well. Christ is Χριστός, the similar-sounding, but not identical Greek man's name is Χρήστος. Note the difference in spelling and position of the accent mark. The two words therefore sound different, and cannot be confused. The meanings are also distinct: Χριστός means anointed one; Χρήστος is derived from a word meaning good, virtuous. The root word can be found in Psalm 33:

γεύσασθε καὶ ἴδετε ὅτι χρηστὸς ὁ Κύριος· μακάριος ἀνήρ, ὃς ἐλπίζει ἐπ᾿ αὐτόν. (v.9)

O taste and see that the Lord is good; blessed is the man who hopes in Him.

sometimes the name is spelled like christ. "xristos"
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« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2012, 03:25:33 PM »

This guy is a living saint. You should address him as "Elder."

are you serious?
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« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2012, 05:39:11 PM »

Christos Jonathan Seth Hayward was contemplating the "big questions" of philosophy and theology before he could even speak. And you have the nerve to ask what kind of Buddhist?
Can someone really get the name "Christos" when converting to Orthodoxy?

Yes, they can, and the name is common among cradles as well. Christ is Χριστός, the similar-sounding, but not identical Greek man's name is Χρήστος. Note the difference in spelling and position of the accent mark. The two words therefore sound different, and cannot be confused. The meanings are also distinct: Χριστός means anointed one; Χρήστος is derived from a word meaning good, virtuous. The root word can be found in Psalm 33:

γεύσασθε καὶ ἴδετε ὅτι χρηστὸς ὁ Κύριος· μακάριος ἀνήρ, ὃς ἐλπίζει ἐπ᾿ αὐτόν. (v.9)

O taste and see that the Lord is good; blessed is the man who hopes in Him.

sometimes the name is spelled like christ. "xristos"

It shouldn't be. They are two separate words, with different spellings and accents.
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« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2012, 06:44:04 PM »

Christos Jonathan Seth Hayward was contemplating the "big questions" of philosophy and theology before he could even speak. And you have the nerve to ask what kind of Buddhist?
Can someone really get the name "Christos" when converting to Orthodoxy?

Yes, they can, and the name is common among cradles as well. Christ is Χριστός, the similar-sounding, but not identical Greek man's name is Χρήστος. Note the difference in spelling and position of the accent mark. The two words therefore sound different, and cannot be confused. The meanings are also distinct: Χριστός means anointed one; Χρήστος is derived from a word meaning good, virtuous. The root word can be found in Psalm 33:

γεύσασθε καὶ ἴδετε ὅτι χρηστὸς ὁ Κύριος· μακάριος ἀνήρ, ὃς ἐλπίζει ἐπ᾿ αὐτόν. (v.9)

O taste and see that the Lord is good; blessed is the man who hopes in Him.
In other words, the Jewish author of Psalms is saying that "the Lord is Christ".

Now, I know the Psalmic author is not *really* saying that, but has this Psalm been used to defend the messiahship of Jesus, as a sort of prophetic Psalm?
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In other words, the Jewish author of Psalms is saying that "the Lord is Christ".

No, because the word used in the Psalm is spelled differently and has a different meaning.
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« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2014, 10:44:45 AM »

Also the Hebrew word would be different than the Greek word, and probably has no relation to Hebrew Mashiach

I like some of CJS Hayward's work. It's a shame that he seems to be rather spiteful in person, but I don't think that it lessens the value of his work necessarily. Sorry you had to deal with that, though.
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« Reply #24 on: June 25, 2014, 04:09:17 AM »

$5 or so New Zealand dollars (3$.70 US) for a book that is only 22 pages and digital... Seems totally worth it.
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« Reply #25 on: June 25, 2014, 09:39:13 AM »

I found his email on his website so I wrote to him about my complaint before I posted the review (remember, my complaint was I paid $2.99 for a book which turned out to consist of ONE WORD  Angry).

That book has 5 reviews - all of them terrible and none above a single star.  None indicated that there was only one word in the book, though.  From the the reviews, perhaps you should be thankful to have lost only $2.99.  You could have wasted $2.99 plus the time it would have taken to read through all of his nonsense. Wink 
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« Reply #26 on: June 25, 2014, 09:57:18 AM »

I googled this guy, Whoo boy!  He is a legend in his own mind. lol
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« Reply #27 on: June 25, 2014, 10:13:22 AM »

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Christos Jonathan Seth Hayward wears many hats as a person: author, philosopher, theologian, artist, poet, wayfarer, philologist, inventor, web guru, teacher.

Some have asked, "If a (much lesser) C.S. Lewis were Orthodox, what would he be like?" And the answer may well be, "C.J.S. Hayward."

Hayward has lived in the U.S., Malaysia, England, and France, and holds master's degrees bridging math and computers (UIUC), and philosophy and theology (Cambridge).
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Some have asked, "If a (much lesser) C.S. Lewis were Orthodox, what would he be like?" And the answer may well be, "C.J.S. Hayward."

I have the disturbing impression that the "some" who have asked this question and the one giving the answer are one and the same CJS Hayward.  I hope I'm wrong. 
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« Reply #29 on: June 25, 2014, 10:19:21 AM »

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Christos Jonathan Seth Hayward wears many hats as a person: author, philosopher, theologian, artist, poet, wayfarer, philologist, inventor, web guru, teacher.

Some have asked, "If a (much lesser) C.S. Lewis were Orthodox, what would he be like?" And the answer may well be, "C.J.S. Hayward."

Hayward has lived in the U.S., Malaysia, England, and France, and holds master's degrees bridging math and computers (UIUC), and philosophy and theology (Cambridge).
The best part is that that statement comes from his own "award winning" website that he maintains.  laugh



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Christos Jonathan Seth Hayward wears many hats as a person: author, philosopher, theologian, artist, poet, wayfarer, philologist, inventor, web guru, teacher.

Some have asked, "If a (much lesser) C.S. Lewis were Orthodox, what would he be like?" And the answer may well be, "C.J.S. Hayward."

Hayward has lived in the U.S., Malaysia, England, and France, and holds master's degrees bridging math and computers (UIUC), and philosophy and theology (Cambridge).
The best part is that that statement comes from his own "award winning" website that he maintains.  laugh


As it turns out, Mr. Hayward's venerable appearance has been displayed on this site before as a member of the fictional prayer rope militia that was to descend upon PtA's parish to confront his priest who banned prayer ropes from liturgical services:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,53784.msg980783.html#msg980783
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« Reply #31 on: June 25, 2014, 10:33:37 AM »

WOW!!! That whole page is so full of win, I don't even know what to say!  Tongue

http://jonathanscorner.com/pictures/
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WOW!!! That whole page is so full of win, I don't even know what to say!  Tongue

http://jonathanscorner.com/pictures/

Someone once asked "If C.S. Lewis used a prayer rope, what would that look like?"  They are still asking.   Wink
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« Reply #33 on: June 25, 2014, 10:37:27 AM »

If only I knew how to photoshop a neon pink prayer rope onto a picture of CS Lewis, this thread would be complete.  I assign that task to Justin/*
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« Reply #34 on: June 25, 2014, 09:19:58 PM »

If only I knew how to photoshop a neon pink prayer rope onto a picture of CS Lewis, this thread would be complete.  I assign that task to Justin/*

ZealousZeal is the Queen of 'Shop around here.  Grin
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If only I knew how to photoshop a neon pink prayer rope onto a picture of CS Lewis, this thread would be complete.  I assign that task to Justin/*

ZealousZeal is the Queen of 'Shop around here.  Grin

Yeah, especially with pink items. 
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If only I knew how to photoshop a neon pink prayer rope onto a picture of CS Lewis, this thread would be complete.  I assign that task to Justin/*

ZealousZeal is the Queen of 'Shop around here.  Grin

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