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« on: December 02, 2012, 07:03:53 PM »

It just seems like with almost every Roman Catholic I have met, whenever they discover that I am Orthodox, they end up acting real friendly and ecumenical--saying that we're "the same" or that the differences aren't really that big. The most false ecumenism I get comes from Roman Catholics--not even "non-denominationals" are as ecumenical as the Roman Catholics I have met. They're kind of like that annoying kid at school who no one in your group of friends really likes, but he still hangs around you and follows your group anyway acting like he's all a part of the gang and everything.

Is this sense of false ecumenism with the Orthodox a normal trend for Roman Catholics, or is it just something among the American Roman Catholic world? Like, maybe the reason they are so friendly and falsely ecumenical with the Orthodox is because we're both religious minorities in their eyes in the domain of Evangelical Protestantism?
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« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2012, 07:06:02 PM »

Aren't friendly Catholics better than the Fortescue type of Catholics?
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« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2012, 07:09:05 PM »

I would be happy to give my opinion on the questions asked in the OP... once I figure out what the title means  Cool
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« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2012, 07:39:38 PM »

It just seems like with almost every Roman Catholic I have met, whenever they discover that I am Orthodox, they end up acting real friendly and ecumenical--saying that we're "the same" or that the differences aren't really that big. The most false ecumenism I get comes from Roman Catholics--not even "non-denominationals" are as ecumenical as the Roman Catholics I have met. They're kind of like that annoying kid at school who no one in your group of friends really likes, but he still hangs around you and follows your group anyway acting like he's all a part of the gang and everything.

I'd rather have that sort of Roman Catholic than an ultra trad that believes we're condemned to hellfire.

And non-denominationals are doctrinally Protestant (or some derivative), so of course they're less inclined to act like we're just the same - Orthodox are idolatrous with their cave paintings, after all. Wink
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« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2012, 07:43:38 PM »

Don't worry...I'm an RC and I don't feel ecumenical toward the EO. I used to a bit, but this forum brought me out of that. There are real differences that separate us.
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« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2012, 08:15:52 PM »

It's true. I went to an OCA church this afternoon for lunch and I totally jacked all their baked mac n cheese. Plus half a bottle of zinfandel and 3 brochures about Orthodoxy. Sweet swag!!
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« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2012, 08:22:57 PM »

No one on the corner has swagger like Orthodoxy, swagger like Orthodoxy........  laugh
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« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2012, 08:46:09 PM »

Swag is what I like to smoke Shocked
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Re: James' OP. Can I get a finger snap and a "Child, please!"??

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« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2012, 09:24:27 PM »

Swag is what I like to smoke Shocked

Isn't that sCHwag not swag? It's been a while since I delt with those terms
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They're kind of like that annoying kid at school who no one in your group of friends really likes, but he still hangs around you and follows your group anyway acting like he's all a part of the gang and everything.

Best description of the situation I ever heard.

The issue is that this is the non-official official discourse these days, even among some Orthodox. Here in Brazil, with the exception of the Russians, it's the rule of the line "the only difference is the filioque and pope, and even that is just a lame excuse for politics, but we're so loving and past that". It's common that anyone take communion - *anyone*, in some cases not even being a Christian.

Truth is that there is a certain kind of ecumenists who want to force union through a "ex post facto" strategy, that is, we will simply act as if we were already united - because the differences are "irrelevant" - and the lot of you gotta deal with it after it is already happening in fact. They know that study and conversation would forbid that, so let's just "skip" all this bureaucracy.

The "we are not that different at all" discourse is what fundaments and prepare people for this "ex post facto" union. The priests and lay people - Roman or Orthodox - who raise their hand to say it's wrong will be treated as evil unloving medievals because "everybody knows we're not that different".

Traditional schismastics think we are going to hell because they can't see what is common. Ecumenists think nobody is going to hell because they can't see what is different. I don't want any of these two schools.

Just on a sidenote, I do suppose that this discourse is an attempt at social engineering by some hierarchs and intellectuals in both sides.
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« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2012, 10:02:18 PM »

Is there a middle ground consisting of people who know the differences are serious but want to keep the lines of communication open for charity's sake?
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« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2012, 10:15:35 PM »

I know exactly what you mean, the only difference is that when I tell them I'm an old calendarist they either have no idea what I'm talking about or assume that I'm a matthewite and that I hate them or something and slowly back away.  I just don't understand anything in the RCs anymore...

Also, swag=Secretly We Are Gay... Just saying
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« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2012, 10:21:19 PM »

1.    swag   
Orginally from the Scottish slang word "swagger" which was a description of the way some Scots walk (in a swaying motion), the word was then misinterpreted by the English as "the way someone presents themselves". Eg, whether someone looks cool.
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I know exactly what you mean, the only difference is that when I tell them I'm an old calendarist they either have no idea what I'm talking about or assume that I'm a matthewite and that I hate them or something and slowly back away.  I just don't understand anything in the RCs anymore...

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« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2012, 10:24:18 PM »

and by "jack" I suppose it's hijack.

Translating from "Adolescenteese" to English the title of the thread could be

"Why are Roman Catholics always trying to act as if they had the same traits and characteristics that make us unique and special and as if we were the same thing?" hence the very proper comparison with the kid who wants to hang with the cooller older boys but has absolutely nothing to do with them, clueless about his own identity.
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I know exactly what you mean, the only difference is that when I tell them I'm an old calendarist they either have no idea what I'm talking about or assume that I'm a matthewite

So what jurisdiction are you?
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James, high quality OP.
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« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2012, 10:43:50 PM »

It just seems like with almost every Roman Catholic I have met, whenever they discover that I am Orthodox, they end up acting real friendly and ecumenical--saying that we're "the same" or that the differences aren't really that big. The most false ecumenism I get comes from Roman Catholics--not even "non-denominationals" are as ecumenical as the Roman Catholics I have met. They're kind of like that annoying kid at school who no one in your group of friends really likes, but he still hangs around you and follows your group anyway acting like he's all a part of the gang and everything.

Is this sense of false ecumenism with the Orthodox a normal trend for Roman Catholics, or is it just something among the American Roman Catholic world? Like, maybe the reason they are so friendly and falsely ecumenical with the Orthodox is because we're both religious minorities in their eyes in the domain of Evangelical Protestantism?
One of my really good friends is Roman Catholic, but he acts like a Protestant. He says we "are the same" too, and look we can partake of their eucharist as well.

Their eccelsiology is kinda screwed up.
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« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2012, 10:44:16 PM »

It just seems like with almost every Roman Catholic I have met, whenever they discover that I am Orthodox, they end up acting real friendly and ecumenical--saying that we're "the same" or that the differences aren't really that big. The most false ecumenism I get comes from Roman Catholics--not even "non-denominationals" are as ecumenical as the Roman Catholics I have met. They're kind of like that annoying kid at school who no one in your group of friends really likes, but he still hangs around you and follows your group anyway acting like he's all a part of the gang and everything.

Is this sense of false ecumenism with the Orthodox a normal trend for Roman Catholics, or is it just something among the American Roman Catholic world? Like, maybe the reason they are so friendly and falsely ecumenical with the Orthodox is because we're both religious minorities in their eyes in the domain of Evangelical Protestantism?
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It just seems like with almost every Roman Catholic I have met, whenever they discover that I am Orthodox, they end up acting real friendly and ecumenical--saying that we're "the same" or that the differences aren't really that big. The most false ecumenism I get comes from Roman Catholics--not even "non-denominationals" are as ecumenical as the Roman Catholics I have met. They're kind of like that annoying kid at school who no one in your group of friends really likes, but he still hangs around you and follows your group anyway acting like he's all a part of the gang and everything.

Is this sense of false ecumenism with the Orthodox a normal trend for Roman Catholics, or is it just something among the American Roman Catholic world? Like, maybe the reason they are so friendly and falsely ecumenical with the Orthodox is because we're both religious minorities in their eyes in the domain of Evangelical Protestantism?
Speak for yourself Schismatic..........how's that better?  Grin
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It just seems like with almost every Roman Catholic I have met, whenever they discover that I am Orthodox, they end up acting real friendly and ecumenical--saying that we're "the same" or that the differences aren't really that big. The most false ecumenism I get comes from Roman Catholics--not even "non-denominationals" are as ecumenical as the Roman Catholics I have met. They're kind of like that annoying kid at school who no one in your group of friends really likes, but he still hangs around you and follows your group anyway acting like he's all a part of the gang and everything.

Is this sense of false ecumenism with the Orthodox a normal trend for Roman Catholics, or is it just something among the American Roman Catholic world? Like, maybe the reason they are so friendly and falsely ecumenical with the Orthodox is because we're both religious minorities in their eyes in the domain of Evangelical Protestantism?
One of my really good friends is Roman Catholic, but he acts like a Protestant. He says we "are the same" too, and look we can partake of their eucharist as well.
Their eccelsiology is kinda screwed up.
No, not really.
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It just seems like with almost every Roman Catholic I have met, whenever they discover that I am Orthodox, they end up acting real friendly and ecumenical--saying that we're "the same" or that the differences aren't really that big. The most false ecumenism I get comes from Roman Catholics--not even "non-denominationals" are as ecumenical as the Roman Catholics I have met. They're kind of like that annoying kid at school who no one in your group of friends really likes, but he still hangs around you and follows your group anyway acting like he's all a part of the gang and everything.

Is this sense of false ecumenism with the Orthodox a normal trend for Roman Catholics, or is it just something among the American Roman Catholic world? Like, maybe the reason they are so friendly and falsely ecumenical with the Orthodox is because we're both religious minorities in their eyes in the domain of Evangelical Protestantism?
One of my really good friends is Roman Catholic, but he acts like a Protestant. He says we "are the same" too, and look we can partake of their eucharist as well.
Their eccelsiology is kinda screwed up.
No, not really.
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" maybe the reason they are so friendly and falsely ecumenical with the Orthodox is because we're both religious minorities in their eyes in the domain of Evangelical Protestantism?"- OP

What's this "we" stuff sucka, we outnumber you and the heretics two to one at least.
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What's this "we" stuff sucka, we outnumber you and the heretics two to one at least.

He means in the United States, I'm pretty sure.
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" maybe the reason they are so friendly and falsely ecumenical with the Orthodox is because we're both religious minorities in their eyes in the domain of Evangelical Protestantism?"- OP

What's this "we" stuff sucka, we outnumber you and the heretics two to one at least.
not in this neck of the woods.  and there's a real question on your numbers in your stronghold (at least formerly) of Latin America.
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« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2012, 10:53:28 PM »

It just seems like with almost every Roman Catholic I have met, whenever they discover that I am Orthodox, they end up acting real friendly and ecumenical--saying that we're "the same" or that the differences aren't really that big. The most false ecumenism I get comes from Roman Catholics--not even "non-denominationals" are as ecumenical as the Roman Catholics I have met. They're kind of like that annoying kid at school who no one in your group of friends really likes, but he still hangs around you and follows your group anyway acting like he's all a part of the gang and everything.

Is this sense of false ecumenism with the Orthodox a normal trend for Roman Catholics, or is it just something among the American Roman Catholic world? Like, maybe the reason they are so friendly and falsely ecumenical with the Orthodox is because we're both religious minorities in their eyes in the domain of Evangelical Protestantism?
One of my really good friends is Roman Catholic, but he acts like a Protestant. He says we "are the same" too, and look we can partake of their eucharist as well.
Their eccelsiology is kinda screwed up.
No, not really.
We can't?

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"Catholic ministers may licitly administer the sacraments of penance, Eucharist and anointing of the sick to members of the oriental churches which do not have full Communion with the Catholic Church, if they ask on their own for the sacraments and are properly disposed. This holds also for members of other churches, which in the judgment of the Apostolic See are in the same condition as the oriental churches as far as these sacraments are concerned" (CIC 844 § 3).
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« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2012, 10:56:46 PM »

It just seems like with almost every Roman Catholic I have met, whenever they discover that I am Orthodox, they end up acting real friendly and ecumenical--saying that we're "the same" or that the differences aren't really that big. The most false ecumenism I get comes from Roman Catholics--not even "non-denominationals" are as ecumenical as the Roman Catholics I have met. They're kind of like that annoying kid at school who no one in your group of friends really likes, but he still hangs around you and follows your group anyway acting like he's all a part of the gang and everything.

Is this sense of false ecumenism with the Orthodox a normal trend for Roman Catholics, or is it just something among the American Roman Catholic world? Like, maybe the reason they are so friendly and falsely ecumenical with the Orthodox is because we're both religious minorities in their eyes in the domain of Evangelical Protestantism?
One of my really good friends is Roman Catholic, but he acts like a Protestant. He says we "are the same" too, and look we can partake of their eucharist as well.
Their eccelsiology is kinda screwed up.
No, not really.
We can't?

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However, there are circumstances when non-Catholics may receive Communion from a Catholic priest. This is especially the case when it comes to Eastern Orthodox Christians, who share the same faith concerning the nature of the sacraments:

"Catholic ministers may licitly administer the sacraments of penance, Eucharist and anointing of the sick to members of the oriental churches which do not have full Communion with the Catholic Church, if they ask on their own for the sacraments and are properly disposed. This holds also for members of other churches, which in the judgment of the Apostolic See are in the same condition as the oriental churches as far as these sacraments are concerned" (CIC 844 § 3).
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« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2012, 10:58:08 PM »

" maybe the reason they are so friendly and falsely ecumenical with the Orthodox is because we're both religious minorities in their eyes in the domain of Evangelical Protestantism?"- OP

What's this "we" stuff sucka, we outnumber you and the heretics two to one at least.
not in this neck of the woods.  and there's a real question on your numbers in your stronghold (at least formerly) of Latin America.
Whatever we might have lost there, we've more than made up for it on the African continent. And the Far East.
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« Reply #28 on: December 02, 2012, 10:59:21 PM »

It just seems like with almost every Roman Catholic I have met, whenever they discover that I am Orthodox, they end up acting real friendly and ecumenical--saying that we're "the same" or that the differences aren't really that big. The most false ecumenism I get comes from Roman Catholics--not even "non-denominationals" are as ecumenical as the Roman Catholics I have met. They're kind of like that annoying kid at school who no one in your group of friends really likes, but he still hangs around you and follows your group anyway acting like he's all a part of the gang and everything.

Is this sense of false ecumenism with the Orthodox a normal trend for Roman Catholics, or is it just something among the American Roman Catholic world? Like, maybe the reason they are so friendly and falsely ecumenical with the Orthodox is because we're both religious minorities in their eyes in the domain of Evangelical Protestantism?
One of my really good friends is Roman Catholic, but he acts like a Protestant. He says we "are the same" too, and look we can partake of their eucharist as well.
Their eccelsiology is kinda screwed up.
No, not really.
We can't?

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However, there are circumstances when non-Catholics may receive Communion from a Catholic priest. This is especially the case when it comes to Eastern Orthodox Christians, who share the same faith concerning the nature of the sacraments:

"Catholic ministers may licitly administer the sacraments of penance, Eucharist and anointing of the sick to members of the oriental churches which do not have full Communion with the Catholic Church, if they ask on their own for the sacraments and are properly disposed. This holds also for members of other churches, which in the judgment of the Apostolic See are in the same condition as the oriental churches as far as these sacraments are concerned" (CIC 844 § 3).
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/who-can-receive-communion
That's the Vatican's story. We don't buy it.
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« Reply #29 on: December 02, 2012, 11:01:51 PM »

" maybe the reason they are so friendly and falsely ecumenical with the Orthodox is because we're both religious minorities in their eyes in the domain of Evangelical Protestantism?"- OP

What's this "we" stuff sucka, we outnumber you and the heretics two to one at least.
not in this neck of the woods.  and there's a real question on your numbers in your stronghold (at least formerly) of Latin America.
Whatever we might have lost there, we've more than made up for it on the African continent. And the Far East.

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« Reply #30 on: December 02, 2012, 11:04:08 PM »

It just seems like with almost every Roman Catholic I have met, whenever they discover that I am Orthodox, they end up acting real friendly and ecumenical--saying that we're "the same" or that the differences aren't really that big. The most false ecumenism I get comes from Roman Catholics--not even "non-denominationals" are as ecumenical as the Roman Catholics I have met. They're kind of like that annoying kid at school who no one in your group of friends really likes, but he still hangs around you and follows your group anyway acting like he's all a part of the gang and everything.

Is this sense of false ecumenism with the Orthodox a normal trend for Roman Catholics, or is it just something among the American Roman Catholic world? Like, maybe the reason they are so friendly and falsely ecumenical with the Orthodox is because we're both religious minorities in their eyes in the domain of Evangelical Protestantism?
One of my really good friends is Roman Catholic, but he acts like a Protestant. He says we "are the same" too, and look we can partake of their eucharist as well.
Their eccelsiology is kinda screwed up.
No, not really.
We can't?

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However, there are circumstances when non-Catholics may receive Communion from a Catholic priest. This is especially the case when it comes to Eastern Orthodox Christians, who share the same faith concerning the nature of the sacraments:

"Catholic ministers may licitly administer the sacraments of penance, Eucharist and anointing of the sick to members of the oriental churches which do not have full Communion with the Catholic Church, if they ask on their own for the sacraments and are properly disposed. This holds also for members of other churches, which in the judgment of the Apostolic See are in the same condition as the oriental churches as far as these sacraments are concerned" (CIC 844 § 3).
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/who-can-receive-communion
That's the Vatican's story. We don't buy it.
Post Vatican II drivel that is.
LOL.
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« Reply #31 on: December 02, 2012, 11:25:25 PM »

I know exactly what you mean, the only difference is that when I tell them I'm an old calendarist they either have no idea what I'm talking about or assume that I'm a matthewite

So what jurisdiction are you?
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« Reply #32 on: December 02, 2012, 11:26:35 PM »

I know exactly what you mean, the only difference is that when I tell them I'm an old calendarist they either have no idea what I'm talking about or assume that I'm a matthewite

So what jurisdiction are you?
HOTCA

Makes difference.
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« Reply #33 on: December 03, 2012, 12:19:22 AM »

" maybe the reason they are so friendly and falsely ecumenical with the Orthodox is because we're both religious minorities in their eyes in the domain of Evangelical Protestantism?"- OP

What's this "we" stuff sucka, we outnumber you and the heretics two to one at least.

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Edit to JamesR: They act like that and say those things because they believe it, because that's the RC line; "We have nearly everything in common...", as one of their encyclicals said. I don't see it, but then I left that behind some time ago, so of course I wouldn't see it that way. Personally, I can't really imagine two more dissimilar churches, but hey...~450 (or ~1054) years of history isn't nothing, so it'd probably be best to use those times when you're annoyed at your RC friends' assertions to explain to them the Orthodox viewpoint on these matters. If you don't, maybe they'll never hear it and continue to believe the Vatican when they say that we're like two peas in a pod.

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« Reply #34 on: December 03, 2012, 12:21:49 AM »

I know exactly what you mean, the only difference is that when I tell them I'm an old calendarist they either have no idea what I'm talking about or assume that I'm a matthewite

So what jurisdiction are you?
HOTCA

Makes difference.

I went to the HOTCA web site.  Are they considered Orthodox by most Orthodox?  It appears there are some disagreements between them and the (official?) Greek Orthodox.  I get a little muddled when trying to figure out which Churches commune with which other Churches.
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« Reply #35 on: December 03, 2012, 12:26:09 AM »

HOTCA is not in communion with any world Orthodox Churches.
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« Reply #36 on: December 03, 2012, 12:29:55 AM »

Speak for yourself Schismatic..........how's that better?  Grin

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« Reply #37 on: December 03, 2012, 11:37:52 AM »

So you would prefer we say you're all heretics and schismatics because you don't believe in the filioque and papal infallibility and immaculate conception?  Huh
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« Reply #38 on: December 03, 2012, 11:42:44 AM »

So you would prefer we say you're all heretics and schismatics because you don't believe in the filioque and papal infallibility and immaculate conception?  Huh

That would be sincere.
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« Reply #39 on: December 03, 2012, 11:47:07 AM »

Is there a middle ground consisting of people who know the differences are serious but want to keep the lines of communication open for charity's sake?
If there is, I'd be in it.

After all if the differences weren't serious then we wouldn't be out of communion, would we? But we can attempt to talk through them and maybe eventually one side will realize it is wrong. With God all things are possible, right?

But saying there isn't much difference over issues that were anathema-worthy at the time is highly disingenuous. And...adding the filioque unilaterally was clearly the biggest mistake Rome ever made.
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« Reply #40 on: December 03, 2012, 11:51:40 AM »

You might be surprised to find a lot of Roman Catholics who agree with you on that point, Justin.
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« Reply #41 on: December 03, 2012, 11:53:02 AM »

And here lies the big issue. Currently, Rome is unable to confess it made any mistake. John Paull II did apologize for some things, clearly opening precedents for people to accept that yes, Rome may commit mistakes. But as of now, to confess that a doctrine that existed in only one see by definition cannot be catholic, and yet, it was adopted as infallible, is far too much.

Is there a middle ground consisting of people who know the differences are serious but want to keep the lines of communication open for charity's sake?
If there is, I'd be in it.

After all if the differences weren't serious then we wouldn't be out of communion, would we? But we can attempt to talk through them and maybe eventually one side will realize it is wrong. With God all things are possible, right?

But saying there isn't much difference over issues that were anathema-worthy at the time is highly disingenuous. And...adding the filioque unilaterally was clearly the biggest mistake Rome ever made.
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« Reply #42 on: December 03, 2012, 11:56:08 AM »

So you would prefer we say you're all heretics and schismatics because you don't believe in the filioque and papal infallibility and immaculate conception?  Huh

That would be sincere.
Well we agree on one thing then. That would be consistent with what our Councils say.

Instead, seems like we Catholics are in an era of treating "infallible" Catholic ecumenical councils as not quite so infallible, even as far back as Chalcedon, for the sake of "promoting Christian unity". It's a bit of a denial that the Church is the mystical Body of the Way, the Truth and the Life, don't you think?
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« Reply #43 on: December 03, 2012, 12:00:17 PM »

Speak for yourself Schismatic..........how's that better?  Grin

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You know, it's comments like that , that make me want to go right out and join the Orthodox Church.......

Ahh, better yet, I'll hang out with Benedict and Satan for eternity.  Grin
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« Reply #44 on: December 03, 2012, 12:02:29 PM »

I really do feel bad for you James, if you have to endure the horrible experience of Catholics saying we have a lot in common. There is nothing worse than a Catholic who points out all the things that Eastern Orthodoxy and Catholicism have in common. In fact, what you should do is start crafting differences that don't exist for the purpose of throwing these Catholics off your trail.
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