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« on: November 30, 2012, 01:27:03 AM »

Just a question out of curiousity. Why do Protestant sects who adhere to Sola-Scriptura--that is, Bible Only, believe in the doctrine of the Trinity? The Trinity was developed by the Church and is never explicitely explained in the Bible. Sure, it may have been briefly implied in certain instances, but there are not any smoking-gun proof passages in the Bible that support the Trinity as far as I know. Most of the purely Biblical arguments in support of the Trinity seem rather unconvincing and built more on speculation than the actual Bible to be honest. I don't see how you can believe these arguments and believe in the Trinity UNLESS you accepted the authority of the Church and extra-biblical sources--something that most Protestant sects refuse to do.

In a sense, it seems like as time goes on, more and more Protestants are actually trying to return back to the Sacraments, fasts and "traditional Christianity"--yet, they are doing it by trying to isolate the Church from it and desperately trying to form these strange, enourmously implicit arguments to prove that their practice is "rooted in the Bible" by twisting, isolating and using even the most basic, obscure, shortest passage there is in the Bible in ways that you would never think to use that scripture before, in order to support some odd theological practice that is more rooted in speculation and a desire for order than actually in the Bible. Such as the "Daniel Fast"--which is a half-butted attempt at having their own form of the Church's official Lent, to all these weird "spiritual retreat Jesus camp" thingys that seem to be a knockoff of the Church's monastic practices, to belief in the doctrine of the Trinity--which is purely rooted in the Church.

How long till they throw in the towel and just return back to proper Christianity instead of all these desperate attempts to recreate it?
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« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2012, 02:19:10 AM »

Okay, an attempt at a relatively simple answer based on my experience. One, many Protestants believe strongly the Roman Church is wrong. Two, many Protestants have never heard of the Eastern Orthodox Church or if they have only a cursory exposure to it, believe it to be virtually the same as the Roman Church, see point one. None the less, three, they have their own tradition to follow even if many may not realize that. Four, their tradition springs from the Reformers who generally had some very specific things they were rejecting about the Roman Church, of which things the Trinity was not one. Five, they feel drawn back to the old ways because that as they way God intended things to be in the first place. But, six, see points one and two.  So, seven, what else are they to do to regain the old ways with the limited resources available to them. This of course is not all Protestants and is based on my experience and observations as a former Protestant minister. Your milage may vary.
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« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2012, 06:25:07 AM »

Maybe God has still mercy on their mind and he enlightens it although it's "against" the Bible?!

Good question.
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« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2012, 12:44:10 PM »

There is an interesting chart on this page.

http://bible-truth.org/Trinity.html
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« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2012, 12:48:17 PM »

You can easily find the Trinity in the Scriptures, unless you're reading with blindfolds on, that is.
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« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2012, 12:52:36 PM »

You can easily find the Trinity in the Scriptures, unless you're reading with blindfolds on, that is.

Then non trinitarian Christians would be blinding themselves on purpose?, I'm inclined to agree with that question myself
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« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2012, 12:53:50 PM »

You can easily find the Trinity in the Scriptures, unless you're reading with blindfolds on, that is.

Then non trinitarian Christians would be blinding themselves on purpose?, I'm inclined to agree with that question myself

They would have to rip out (or intentionally mistranslate) the first chapter of John at the very least.
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« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2012, 01:00:25 PM »

You can easily find the Trinity in the Scriptures, unless you're reading with blindfolds on, that is.

Then non trinitarian Christians would be blinding themselves on purpose?, I'm inclined to agree with that question myself

There are 2.2 Billion Christians in the world, a very small percentage don't believe in the trinity. The vast majority of that 2.2 billion (probably 95+ percent) faithfully believe in the trinity.
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« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2012, 01:04:41 PM »

Jehovah Witness does not believe in Trinity.
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« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2012, 01:06:08 PM »

Jehovah Witness does not believe in Trinity.

Their impiety is widely known, yes.
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« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2012, 01:09:09 PM »

Jehovah Witness does not believe in Trinity.

I just looked at the numbers, Jehovah Witness and Mormons combined are about 1% of that 2.2 Billion number.
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« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2012, 01:35:25 PM »

Jehovah Witness does not believe in Trinity.

I just looked at the numbers, Jehovah Witness and Mormons combined are about 1% of that 2.2 Billion number.
Huh Since when are Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons Christian?

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« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2012, 01:53:14 PM »

Jehovah Witness does not believe in Trinity.

I just looked at the numbers, Jehovah Witness and Mormons combined are about 1% of that 2.2 Billion number.
Huh Since when are Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons Christian?

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I actually agree but I'm pretty sure they are included in the numbers I posted plus Walter brought them up which is what I responded to.
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« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2012, 01:59:41 PM »

And according to current Mormon thought they are, and didn't a well known evangelical say they were just recently.
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« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2012, 02:12:08 PM »

Jehovah Witness does not believe in Trinity.

I just looked at the numbers, Jehovah Witness and Mormons combined are about 1% of that 2.2 Billion number.
Huh Since when are Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons Christian?

They aren't.
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« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2012, 02:34:51 PM »

Where can a reasonable line be drawn? When does a group pass from Christian to non-Christian
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Where can a reasonable line be drawn? When does a group pass from Christian to non-Christian

Are Muslims Christians?
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« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2012, 02:46:49 PM »

Let us open a KJ Bible. For example 1 John 5:7

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« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2012, 03:01:26 PM »

Jehovah Witness does not believe in Trinity.

well duh!!!! They are not even christians.
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« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2012, 03:17:12 PM »

Where can a reasonable line be drawn? When does a group pass from Christian to non-Christian
I am very hesitant to extend the title of Christian to anyone outside of Orthodoxy. I realize this is a rather unpopular thing to say.

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Where can a reasonable line be drawn? When does a group pass from Christian to non-Christian

Didn't our fathers get together and write some kind of creed to answer this question? Grin
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Where can a reasonable line be drawn? When does a group pass from Christian to non-Christian

Didn't our fathers get together and write some kind of creed to answer this question? Grin

But what to do about those that recite a different version?
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Where can a reasonable line be drawn? When does a group pass from Christian to non-Christian

Didn't our fathers get together and write some kind of creed to answer this question? Grin

Yes and then that would exclude, anyone outside the apostolic church, so that leave many groups falling outside the line of Christian, if this is truely the case then many many many people are in danger, This I believe  includes myself.
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Didn't our fathers get together and write some kind of creed to answer this question? Grin

Yes and then that would exclude, anyone outside the apostolic church, so that leave many groups falling outside the line of Christian, if this is truely the case then many many many people are in dainger, This I believe  includes myself.
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« Reply #25 on: November 30, 2012, 04:40:56 PM »

Coming from a protestant background, I became convinced of a roughly orthodox understanding of Heaven and Hell, based on Scripture alone (it came as a big surprise to me that when I later discovered that other Christians already believed this).

Likewise, if you take all scripture, Old and New Testaments, as inspired and essential for establishing doctrine, the basic three in one and one in three is a reasonable conclusion to come to. Having said that, I'm not sure "without mixing, "without separation" etc is quite so obvious.
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« Reply #26 on: November 30, 2012, 04:49:16 PM »

Coming from a protestant background, I became convinced of a roughly orthodox understanding of Heaven and Hell, based on Scripture alone (it came as a big surprise to me that when I later discovered that other Christians already believed this).


Orthodox understanding of Heaven and Hell is a suprise to me as well.Hell  describe as a place which god(s) create(s) in order to punish and torture the devils and wicked men in the Protestant , Catholic , Islam , Buddism or even all traditional myths in different countries.And all savage and voilence torments that you can think are in the Hell!

Only Orthodox does not hold this notion of Hell!
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« Reply #27 on: November 30, 2012, 05:29:33 PM »

Probably because they recognise the theological importance of the doctrine, in terms of the incarnation, the person of Christ and various other factors. Though the sola scripturist would moan at a unitarian (for good reason mind you), without the constant tradition of the church their argument falls flat.
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« Reply #28 on: November 30, 2012, 06:40:15 PM »

"Sola Scriptura" doesn't mean that the Bible is the only source of teaching and doctrine. It means that it is the only infallible source(I know you folks hate that word) and that all that is necessary for salvation can be found within it.
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« Reply #29 on: November 30, 2012, 07:14:35 PM »

"Sola Scriptura" doesn't mean that the Bible is the only source of teaching and doctrine. It means that it is the only infallible source(I know you folks hate that word) and that all that is necessary for salvation can be found within it.

I believe I'd give you that point. I also believe many of my Protestant friends would not, at least at first glance. Though I do think some would likely be open minded enough to hear you out and agree after some consideration. Others, not so much.
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« Reply #30 on: November 30, 2012, 09:44:07 PM »

"Sola Scriptura" doesn't mean that the Bible is the only source of teaching and doctrine. It means that it is the only infallible source(I know you folks hate that word) and that all that is necessary for salvation can be found within it.
If that's so (and I'm sure you know there are Protestants who will disagree with you on that), then why do they have the fallible interpret the infallible? BTW, I hate the word folks. Wink

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« Reply #31 on: November 30, 2012, 11:20:42 PM »

"Sola Scriptura" doesn't mean that the Bible is the only source of teaching and doctrine. It means that it is the only infallible source(I know you folks hate that word) and that all that is necessary for salvation can be found within it.

Can we define infallible please!?!
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« Reply #32 on: November 30, 2012, 11:39:59 PM »

"Sola Scriptura" doesn't mean tht the Bible is the only source of teaching and doctrine. It means that it is the only infallible source(I know you folks hate that word) and that all that is necessary for salvation can be found within it.

Can we define infallible please!?!

The Scripture is the the word of God, so what the bible say and the teaching in it must be 100% correct.
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« Reply #33 on: December 01, 2012, 12:51:46 AM »

"Sola Scriptura" doesn't mean that the Bible is the only source of teaching and doctrine. It means that it is the only infallible source(I know you folks hate that word) and that all that is necessary for salvation can be found within it.

Can we define infallible please!?!

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"Sola Scriptura" doesn't mean tht the Bible is the only source of teaching and doctrine. It means that it is the only infallible source(I know you folks hate that word) and that all that is necessary for salvation can be found within it.

Can we define infallible please!?!

The Scripture is the the word of God, so what the bible say and the teaching in it must be 100% correct.

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« Reply #35 on: December 01, 2012, 01:38:06 AM »

Jehovah Witness does not believe in Trinity.

well duh!!!! They are not even christians.
Your reasoning seems kinda circular to me. You consider Mormons and JW's non-Christian because they don't believe in the Trinity, which then leads you to exclude them from the list of Christians who don't believe in the Trinity because they (Mormons and JW's) are not Christian.
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« Reply #36 on: December 01, 2012, 02:04:05 AM »

Jehovah Witness does not believe in Trinity.

well duh!!!! They are not even christians.
Your reasoning seems kinda circular to me. You consider Mormons and JW's non-Christian because they don't believe in the Trinity, which then leads you to exclude them from the list of Christians who don't believe in the Trinity because they (Mormons and JW's) are not Christian.
Yeah, I think I would go with something along the lines of non-Trinitarian heretical Christian sect.
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« Reply #37 on: December 01, 2012, 07:10:59 AM »

"Sola Scriptura" doesn't mean tht the Bible is the only source of teaching and doctrine. It means that it is the only infallible source(I know you folks hate that word) and that all that is necessary for salvation can be found within it.

Can we define infallible please!?!

The Scripture is the the word of God, so what the bible say and the teaching in it must be 100% correct.

Scandalous!
This is exactly what Protestant teaches!
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« Reply #39 on: December 01, 2012, 11:32:52 PM »

"Sola Scriptura" doesn't mean tht the Bible is the only source of teaching and doctrine. It means that it is the only infallible source(I know you folks hate that word) and that all that is necessary for salvation can be found within it.

Can we define infallible please!?!

The Scripture is the the word of God, so what the bible say and the teaching in it must be 100% correct.

Scandalous!
This is exactly what Protestant teaches!

He was being sarcastic.
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« Reply #40 on: December 02, 2012, 01:58:26 AM »

"Sola Scriptura" doesn't mean tht the Bible is the only source of teaching and doctrine. It means that it is the only infallible source(I know you folks hate that word) and that all that is necessary for salvation can be found within it.

Can we define infallible please!?!

The Scripture is the the word of God, so what the bible say and the teaching in it must be 100% correct.

Scandalous!
This is exactly what Protestant teaches!

He was being sarcastic.
Protestant say that Bible is the word of God,    and claim that Holy spirit would guide them to read and interpret the Scriptures Cool  , So, bible is infallible.
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« Reply #41 on: December 02, 2012, 02:46:11 AM »

But among various Protestant denominations and individual Church, their interpretation of Scripture are still difference and even contradict with each other under the guidance of the same Holy Spirit.
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« Reply #42 on: December 08, 2012, 08:18:19 AM »

Just a question out of curiousity. Why do Protestant sects who adhere to Sola-Scriptura--that is, Bible Only, believe in the doctrine of the Trinity?

Hi James. The difficulty with questions like ^^ this is that protestants are not one group. (So it's kind of like asking "What do non-Americans think about democracy?") The fact that you limited your question to protestants who adhere to Sola-Scriptura helps a little, since it excludes e.g. Anglo-Catholics.
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« Reply #43 on: December 08, 2012, 10:54:07 AM »

Just a question out of curiousity. Why do Protestant sects who adhere to Sola-Scriptura--that is, Bible Only, believe in the doctrine of the Trinity?

Hi James. The difficulty with questions like ^^ this is that protestants are not one group. (So it's kind of like asking "What do non-Americans think about democracy?") The fact that you limited your question to protestants who adhere to Sola-Scriptura helps a little, since it excludes e.g. Anglo-Catholics.
I didn't think he was talking about them as one group. It seems like he qualified it pretty well (using "Protestant sects who adhere to Sola Scriptura").

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"I will pour out my prayer unto the Lord, and to Him will I proclaim my grief; for with evils my soul is filled, and my life unto hades hath drawn nigh, and like Jonah I will pray: From corruption raise me up, O God." -Ode VI, Irmos of the Supplicatory Canon to the Theotokos
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« Reply #44 on: December 08, 2012, 11:04:18 AM »

Just a question out of curiousity. Why do Protestant sects who adhere to Sola-Scriptura--that is, Bible Only, believe in the doctrine of the Trinity?

Hi James. The difficulty with questions like ^^ this is that protestants are not one group. (So it's kind of like asking "What do non-Americans think about democracy?") The fact that you limited your question to protestants who adhere to Sola-Scriptura helps a little, since it excludes e.g. Anglo-Catholics.
I didn't think he was talking about them as one group. It seems like he qualified it pretty well (using "Protestant sects who adhere to Sola Scriptura").

In Christ,
Andrew

Yes. As I said, that helps a little, since it excludes e.g. Anglo-Catholics.
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