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Some Protestant Christians say that Christmas is from the pagns. In the past, people would worship SUN GOD on that day.
Thus, as a Christian , we should not join Christmas in order to separate us pagns' God and Pagns' day /festival.
What do you think of it?
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« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2012, 04:16:13 PM » |
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Probably all days have been used as a holiday by one of the morethe many pagan sects. Does that mean that we can have no holiday?
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« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2012, 04:51:53 PM » |
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Present giving on that certain day might certainly be pagan, I'd say most of it however isn't. Santa is Saint Nicholaus, and the Christmas tree is from modern Germany. The Christmas tree has pre-Christian predecessors, but you will always find parallels. Nothing is new under the sun, these are human cultural traditions. This guy has a pretty good article: http://www.piousfabrications.com/2010/12/pagan-origins-of-christmas.htmlAaand here's a quote: "It is often said by the critics of Christian origins that certain ritual feasts, processions or dances are really of pagan origin. They might as well say that our legs are of pagan origin. Nobody ever disputed that humanity was human before it was Christian..." GK Chesterton. |
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« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2012, 05:36:19 PM » |
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Probably all days have been used as a holiday by one of the morethe many pagan sects. Does that mean that we can have no holiday?
Some Protestants believe in having no holidays. Theirs is a sad, weird faith. |
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If you spend long enough on this forum, you'll come away with all sorts of weird, untrue ideas of Orthodox Christianity.
I would suggest most persons in general avoid any question beginning with why.
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« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2012, 05:38:13 PM » |
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Probably all days have been used as a holiday by one of the morethe many pagan sects. Does that mean that we can have no holiday?
That is why we came up with Feb 29th |
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« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2012, 05:38:54 PM » |
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Some Protestant Christians say that Christmas is from the pagns. In the past, people would worship SUN GOD on that day.
Thus, as a Christian , we should not join Christmas in order to separate us pagns' God and Pagns' day /festival.
What do you think of it?
We worship God everyday, not just during Christmas. Their logic fails. |
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« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2012, 05:40:23 PM » |
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Probably all days have been used as a holiday by one of the morethe many pagan sects. Does that mean that we can have no holiday?
The JWs approve of this message. |
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« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2012, 05:43:24 PM » |
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Some Protestant Christians say that Christmas is from the pagns. In the past, people would worship SUN GOD on that day.
Thus, as a Christian , we should not join Christmas in order to separate us pagns' God and Pagns' day /festival.
What do you think of it? We didn't adopt a pagan festival, we stole the day on which it was celebrated and used it to celebrate our own festival, which had been previously celebrated on Jan 6 along with the baptism of our Lord. The same thing was done with all-saints in the west. It doesn't mean that we celebrate pagan festivals, only that we stole their place on the calendar to make a theological statement with our own feast days that we used to replace them with. |
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« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2012, 07:14:21 PM » |
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Probably all days have been used as a holiday by one of the morethe many pagan sects. Does that mean that we can have no holiday?
That is why we came up with Feb 29th Julius Ceasar was not a pagan? These calendar worshippers are becoming stranger and stranger. |
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« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2012, 07:29:57 PM » |
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I think it's time I wrote a book. It is going to be called "No!" It will have a page dedicated to each question about the faith that, if I get asked it again, will make me scream. There will be the question, then one of those fancy swirls like you see in calligraphy, and under that, the answer in huge letters. Because it's one thing to have different beliefs - it's another thing for absolutely no one to give a rip about the answer, no matter how many times it's been explained. How many years have to go by before people get the idea that this sort of thing isn't true? "Did you get your holidays from--" (squiggle squiggle) "No!" "Those pictures on the wall of your church, do you worship--" "No!" "Don't you really think televangelists are better than--" "No no no no!"  |
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« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2012, 07:38:31 PM » |
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Probably all days have been used as a holiday by one of the morethe many pagan sects. Does that mean that we can have no holiday?
That is why we came up with Feb 29th Julius Ceasar was not a pagan? These calendar worshippers are becoming stranger and stranger. Well, the Julian Calendar as we know it today didn't come from Julius Caesar directly. There were changes to the calendar he came up with. |
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« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2012, 07:51:49 PM » |
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Well, the Julian Calendar as we know it today didn't come from Julius Caesar directly. There were changes to the calendar he came up with.
29 February was introduced in 8 AD. |
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« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2012, 10:13:02 PM » |
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Well, the Julian Calendar as we know it today didn't come from Julius Caesar directly. There were changes to the calendar he came up with.
29 February was introduced in 8 AD. Just so that, every four years, St. John Cassian could be the only saint celebrated. It's a divine conspiracy. |
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If you spend long enough on this forum, you'll come away with all sorts of weird, untrue ideas of Orthodox Christianity.
I would suggest most persons in general avoid any question beginning with why.
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« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2012, 06:52:57 AM » |
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Any comment about this video ? |
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« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2012, 07:01:03 AM » |
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Any comment about this video ? Crap. |
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« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2012, 09:48:36 AM » |
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Any comment about this video ? Demonic or scam--take your pick. |
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« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2012, 11:04:06 AM » |
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Any comment about this video ? Five minutes of my time that I'll never get back. |
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« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2012, 01:10:28 PM » |
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We didn't adopt a pagan festival, we stole the day on which it was celebrated and used it to celebrate our own festival, which had been previously celebrated on Jan 6 along with the baptism of our Lord. The same thing was done with all-saints in the west. It doesn't mean that we celebrate pagan festivals, only that we stole their place on the calendar to make a theological statement with our own feast days that we used to replace them with.
According to that article posted by Aedificare we didn't even do that. It was very good and not as long as it seems. I'd recommend it. |
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« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2012, 01:11:22 PM » |
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What do you think of it?
Absolute fiction. |
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« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2012, 07:01:37 PM » |
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Any comment about this video ? Garbage! I have a Protestant friend who, sadly, believes this heretical tripe. Santa = Satan?!?  This comes from people who want to trash all traditions that are older than they are, save the Scriptures themselves, and have no knowledge of church history whatsoever. God save us from heretics and their false teaching! |
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« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2012, 07:12:57 PM » |
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Some Protestant Christians say that Christmas is from the pagns. In the past, people would worship SUN GOD on that day.
Thus, as a Christian , we should not join Christmas in order to separate us pagns' God and Pagns' day /festival.
What do you think of it? We didn't adopt a pagan festival, we stole the day on which it was celebrated and used it to celebrate our own festival, which had been previously celebrated on Jan 6 along with the baptism of our Lord. The same thing was done with all-saints in the west. It doesn't mean that we celebrate pagan festivals, only that we stole their place on the calendar to make a theological statement with our own feast days that we used to replace them with. Actually, interestingly enough, the pagan holiday in question, the "Dies Natalis" of Sol Invictus (the Roman sun god), does not appear in historical record until after the first recorded celebration of a certain Christian holiday on the same day.  In fact, Sol Invictus himself doesn't appear in any historical record until almost a full century after the birth of Christ. In all actuality, it seems that they stole the day from us. |
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« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2012, 10:09:18 PM » |
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I simply ask what pagans celebrated the birth of Christ on december the 25th?
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