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Patriarch Maxim of Bulgaria has passed away
« on: November 06, 2012, 03:34:13 AM »
Patriarch Maxim of Bulgaria passed away early this morning, a few days after his 98th birthday.

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Re: Patriarch Maxim of Bulgaria has passed away
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2012, 03:42:05 AM »
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Will this resolve the situation in Bulgaria?
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Re: Patriarch Maxim of Bulgaria has passed away
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2012, 03:55:54 AM »
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Re: Patriarch Maxim of Bulgaria has passed away
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2012, 05:15:22 AM »
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Re: Patriarch Maxim of Bulgaria has passed away
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2012, 06:09:48 AM »
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Re: Patriarch Maxim of Bulgaria has passed away
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2012, 07:29:40 AM »
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Re: Patriarch Maxim of Bulgaria has passed away
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2012, 09:23:36 AM »
"Eternal Memory" and may God grant him a blessed respose "among the saints." He and the Holy Church of Bulgaria certainly experienced his "Many Years," a 41 year patriarchal tenure. His Beatitude was elected the year I graduated from high school.  He is the last of the Orthodox Patriarchs who were elected while his church was under the oversight of a Communist government.  There was some controversy about this after the fall of Communism, and some Old Calendar schisms, but His Beatitude endured.  At the request of the Holy Synod of the Bulgarian Patriarchate, the Ecumenical Patriarch convened an Extraordinary Pan-Orthodox Synod, which supported his patriarchy.
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Re: Patriarch Maxim of Bulgaria has passed away
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2012, 09:54:24 AM »
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Re: Patriarch Maxim of Bulgaria has passed away
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2012, 10:43:29 AM »
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Re: Patriarch Maxim of Bulgaria has passed away
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2012, 12:03:44 PM »
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Will this resolve the situation in Bulgaria?

What situation are you referring to? If you are referring to the Synod's meeting over the past month, then yes, it resolves that since the whole questions was about asking Patriarch Maxim to resign due to his health. They decided not to since he was on his deathbed; situation resolved. 
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Re: Patriarch Maxim of Bulgaria has passed away
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2012, 04:21:20 PM »
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Re: Patriarch Maxim of Bulgaria has passed away
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2012, 04:22:09 PM »
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Re: Patriarch Maxim of Bulgaria has passed away
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2012, 04:48:32 PM »
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Will this resolve the situation in Bulgaria?

What situation are you referring to? If you are referring to the Synod's meeting over the past month, then yes, it resolves that since the whole questions was about asking Patriarch Maxim to resign due to his health. They decided not to since he was on his deathbed; situation resolved. 

He propably meant the Alternative Synod and their objections against Patriarch Maxim.

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Re: Patriarch Maxim of Bulgaria has passed away
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2012, 04:50:06 PM »
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Re: Patriarch Maxim of Bulgaria has passed away
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2012, 06:14:13 PM »
Metropolitan Gregory of Veliko Tarnovo has become the temporary Synod President (until the locum tenens will have been chosen). Metropolitan Nicholas of Plovdiv has become the Sophia diocese administrator.

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Re: Patriarch Maxim of Bulgaria has passed away
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2012, 06:44:45 PM »
Eternal memory!
(Why the heck should these words be on opposite order? Adjective first is correct English, and it's the same in Greek and Church Slavonic...)



He is the last of the Orthodox Patriarchs who were elected while his church was under the oversight of a Communist government.
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Metropolitan Nicholas of Plovdiv has become the Sophia diocese administrator.
Now that is bad news. He served as a vicar bishop in Sofia before and is extremely controversial there. Also, priests in his own diocese already complain that he is doing too much church politics and not caring enough about his parishes, so imagine he has to handle two dioceses...

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Re: Patriarch Maxim of Bulgaria has passed away
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2012, 06:46:04 PM »
Now that is bad news. He served as a vicar bishop in Sofia before and is extremely controversial there. Also, priests in his own diocese already complain that he is doing too much church politics and not caring enough about his parishes, so imagine he has to handle two dioceses...

I suppose new patriarch will be elected quickly so the problem will be solved.

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Re: Patriarch Maxim of Bulgaria has passed away
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2012, 07:32:50 PM »
Eternal memory!
(Why the heck should these words be on opposite order? Adjective first is correct English, and it's the same in Greek and Church Slavonic...)

Because you are simply abbreviating the longer phrase "Let his memory be eternal", eliding the understood words and leaving the most important. (If Orthodox ever grows significantly enough in English to start actually impacting the language, it will probably eventually just shorten to "memory").
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Re: Patriarch Maxim of Bulgaria has passed away
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2012, 07:41:50 PM »
(Why the heck should these words be on opposite order? Adjective first is correct English, and it's the same in Greek and Church Slavonic...)

It sounds better that way (stress & rhythm).

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Re: Patriarch Maxim of Bulgaria has passed away
« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2012, 10:13:18 PM »
(Why the heck should these words be on opposite order? Adjective first is correct English, and it's the same in Greek and Church Slavonic...)

It sounds better that way (stress & rhythm).

English is hardly dogmatic about adjective placement, especially when it comes to poetic language.
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Re: Patriarch Maxim of Bulgaria has passed away
« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2012, 04:54:02 AM »
Memory Eternal!

Will this resolve the situation in Bulgaria?

What situation are you referring to? If you are referring to the Synod's meeting over the past month, then yes, it resolves that since the whole questions was about asking Patriarch Maxim to resign due to his health. They decided not to since he was on his deathbed; situation resolved.  

He propably meant the Alternative Synod and their objections against Patriarch Maxim.

The Alternative Synod has become virtually nonexistent during the past ten years, so generally there is no problem to resolve with it. There are several Old-Calendarist groups, the largest of which is the Bulgarian Old-Calendar Orthodox Church, headed by Bishop Photios, which is in communion with the Cyprianists and used to be in communion with ROCOR for some time, but these groups have their own reasons for not being part of "canonical Orthodoxy".

If you are referring to the problems of the Bulgarian Orthodox Church generally, I think the election of a new Patriarch is not enough to resolve them, there is a need for a whole new vision and attitude from all the hierarchs and clergy.
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Re: Patriarch Maxim of Bulgaria has passed away
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2012, 05:09:56 AM »
Eternal memory!
(Why the heck should these words be on opposite order? Adjective first is correct English, and it's the same in Greek and Church Slavonic...)
Interestingly in Romanian you say 'Veșnica pomenire' - veșnic corresponding to eternal and pomenire to memory. Normal Romanian word order, though, is adjective second, so it still fits the pattern you noticed in that it's backwards for the norms of the language. However, in Romanian if you put the adjective first it has the effect of stressing it, so it doesn't seem quite so odd as the English.

Anyway, Memory Eternal!

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Re: Patriarch Maxim of Bulgaria has passed away
« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2012, 05:38:56 AM »
Now that is bad news. He served as a vicar bishop in Sofia before and is extremely controversial there. Also, priests in his own diocese already complain that he is doing too much church politics and not caring enough about his parishes, so imagine he has to handle two dioceses...

I suppose new patriarch will be elected quickly so the problem will be solved.

According to the current Constitution of the Bulgarian Patriarchate a new Patriarch has to be elected in a four-month term after the death of the Patriarch, so it might not be so quickly as the latest date is March 6.

As for Metropolitan Nicholas of Plovdiv there are priests and faithful, who are quite happy with such kind of Orthodoxy - ultra conservative, strong anti-ecumenist polemics, some of them dreaming about returning to the Old Calendar, etc., but all these things are a turn off for most Bulgarians in my opinion. Besides he is also very controversial for his personal life. According the current Constitution only those Diocesan Bishops, i.e. Metropolitans who are at least 50 years old and have been Metropolitans for at least 5 years are eligible to be elected Patriarch. That makes two of the 14 Bulgarian Metrolipotans not eligible to be elected. Metropolitan Nicholas was born in 1969 and Metropolitan Ambrose of Silistra (Dorostolum) has been Metropolitan since 2010.
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Re: Patriarch Maxim of Bulgaria has passed away
« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2012, 12:56:50 PM »
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Re: Patriarch Maxim of Bulgaria has passed away
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Re: Patriarch Maxim of Bulgaria has passed away
« Reply #25 on: November 14, 2012, 05:50:22 PM »
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Re: Patriarch Maxim of Bulgaria has passed away
« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2012, 09:02:35 PM »
It looks like some Bulgarian bishops want to introduce OCA-styla into their Church:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OrthodoxNews/message/17147

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Re: Patriarch Maxim of Bulgaria has passed away
« Reply #27 on: November 28, 2012, 03:32:03 PM »
Bulgaria's New Patriarch To Be Elected Febr 24 2013
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