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« on: November 17, 2012, 11:14:34 AM »

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Divorce is permitted in the Orthodox Church for various reasons. The more usual divorce occurs under the pastoral guidance of the spiritual director of the spouses when all attempts at salvaging a marriage have been exhausted. In such cases, remarriage may be possible but there is a special rite for a second marriage which contains a penitential element for the dissolution of the first, i.e. some of the more joyful aspects are removed.[1] Marriage is permitted up to three times in Orthodoxy but each divorce necessitates a short period of excommunication. The Orthodox Church, as the saying goes, "blesses the first marriage, performs the second, tolerates the third, and forbids the fourth".
Another type of divorce is what is known as an "ecclesiastical divorce", which does not signify the breakdown of the relationship but is a step taken for the sake of the theosis of the spouses and with the full support and blessing of the Church. This type of divorce may only take place where there is mutual agreement between the two spouses, and is usually carried out in cases where the husband is selected to be consecrated a bishop (as Orthodox bishops are monastic) or where one or both spouses wish to otherwise adopt the monastic lifestyle


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_the_Eastern_Orthodox_Church#Divorce

Why would Orthodox Church permit the  divorce ?

Why do Orthodox Christians allow to divorce and marry for up to three times?

Does the bible prohibit the divorce ?
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« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2012, 11:54:12 AM »

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Divorce is permitted in the Orthodox Church for various reasons. The more usual divorce occurs under the pastoral guidance of the spiritual director of the spouses when all attempts at salvaging a marriage have been exhausted. In such cases, remarriage may be possible but there is a special rite for a second marriage which contains a penitential element for the dissolution of the first, i.e. some of the more joyful aspects are removed.[1] Marriage is permitted up to three times in Orthodoxy but each divorce necessitates a short period of excommunication. The Orthodox Church, as the saying goes, "blesses the first marriage, performs the second, tolerates the third, and forbids the fourth".
Another type of divorce is what is known as an "ecclesiastical divorce", which does not signify the breakdown of the relationship but is a step taken for the sake of the theosis of the spouses and with the full support and blessing of the Church. This type of divorce may only take place where there is mutual agreement between the two spouses, and is usually carried out in cases where the husband is selected to be consecrated a bishop (as Orthodox bishops are monastic) or where one or both spouses wish to otherwise adopt the monastic lifestyle


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_the_Eastern_Orthodox_Church#Divorce

Why would Orthodox Church permit the  divorce ?
Adultery.
Why do Orthodox Christians allow to divorce and marry for up to three times?
The innocent shouldn't be punished with the guilty.  If you keep on picking (or causing?) adulterers, chances are, you are not so innocent.

Does the bible prohibit the divorce ?
not for adultery.
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« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2012, 12:29:18 PM »

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Divorce is permitted in the Orthodox Church for various reasons. The more usual divorce occurs under the pastoral guidance of the spiritual director of the spouses when all attempts at salvaging a marriage have been exhausted. In such cases, remarriage may be possible but there is a special rite for a second marriage which contains a penitential element for the dissolution of the first, i.e. some of the more joyful aspects are removed.[1] Marriage is permitted up to three times in Orthodoxy but each divorce necessitates a short period of excommunication. The Orthodox Church, as the saying goes, "blesses the first marriage, performs the second, tolerates the third, and forbids the fourth".
Another type of divorce is what is known as an "ecclesiastical divorce", which does not signify the breakdown of the relationship but is a step taken for the sake of the theosis of the spouses and with the full support and blessing of the Church. This type of divorce may only take place where there is mutual agreement between the two spouses, and is usually carried out in cases where the husband is selected to be consecrated a bishop (as Orthodox bishops are monastic) or where one or both spouses wish to otherwise adopt the monastic lifestyle


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_the_Eastern_Orthodox_Church#Divorce

Why would Orthodox Church permit the  divorce ?

Why do Orthodox Christians allow to divorce and marry for up to three times?

Does the bible prohibit the divorce ?

The Orthodox Church does not allow divorce.  Basically the Church doesn't allow sin, but man sins anyway. And when man sins, the Church then finds a way to get man back on the right path to God.  So when divorce happens, it happens.  It is a sin that needs to be dealt with.  And if it is spiritually more advantageous to let the person remarry rather than force them to remain unmarried and yet they would fornicate/commit adultery, then through ekonomia they are allowed to remarry.  This is not a blanket privilege, rather a case-to-case granting of mercy.
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« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2012, 12:30:52 PM »

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Divorce is permitted in the Orthodox Church for various reasons. The more usual divorce occurs under the pastoral guidance of the spiritual director of the spouses when all attempts at salvaging a marriage have been exhausted. In such cases, remarriage may be possible but there is a special rite for a second marriage which contains a penitential element for the dissolution of the first, i.e. some of the more joyful aspects are removed.[1] Marriage is permitted up to three times in Orthodoxy but each divorce necessitates a short period of excommunication. The Orthodox Church, as the saying goes, "blesses the first marriage, performs the second, tolerates the third, and forbids the fourth".
Another type of divorce is what is known as an "ecclesiastical divorce", which does not signify the breakdown of the relationship but is a step taken for the sake of the theosis of the spouses and with the full support and blessing of the Church. This type of divorce may only take place where there is mutual agreement between the two spouses, and is usually carried out in cases where the husband is selected to be consecrated a bishop (as Orthodox bishops are monastic) or where one or both spouses wish to otherwise adopt the monastic lifestyle


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_the_Eastern_Orthodox_Church#Divorce

Why would Orthodox Church permit the  divorce ?

Why do Orthodox Christians allow to divorce and marry for up to three times?

Does the bible prohibit the divorce ?

The Orthodox Church does not allow divorce.  Basically the Church doesn't allow sin, but man sins anyway. And when man sins, the Church then finds a way to get man back on the right path to God.  So when divorce happens, it happens.  It is a sin that needs to be dealt with.  And if it is spiritually more advantageous to let the person remarry rather than force them to remain unmarried and yet they would fornicate/commit adultery, then through ekonomia they are allowed to remarry.  This is not a blanket privilege, rather a case-to-case granting of mercy.
Yes.  The question is not if the Church allows divorce, but if it allows remarriage.
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« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2012, 12:37:11 PM »

 An Orthodox can marry up to three times but can only be divorced only once.

Examples: One can remarry again if their spouse dies (2nd marriage) and remarry if the second spouse dies (3rd marriage).
One can remarry again if their spouse dies (2nd marriage) and divorces the the 2nd spouse for cause can remarry (3rd marriage) and visa versa.
One can remarry if spouse has committed adultery, or is abusive. (one and only divorce)
One can remarry if spouse has committed mental abuse, is forcebly wanting to join another religion etc. (one and only divorce)

As a rule: twice divorces cannot remarry, but any divorce to remarry must be reviewed by the parish priest and bishop for approval.

This is the mechanics of the marriage rule without getting into the spiritual aspect of it.
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« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2012, 02:18:50 PM »

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Divorce is permitted in the Orthodox Church for various reasons. The more usual divorce occurs under the pastoral guidance of the spiritual director of the spouses when all attempts at salvaging a marriage have been exhausted. In such cases, remarriage may be possible but there is a special rite for a second marriage which contains a penitential element for the dissolution of the first, i.e. some of the more joyful aspects are removed.[1] Marriage is permitted up to three times in Orthodoxy but each divorce necessitates a short period of excommunication. The Orthodox Church, as the saying goes, "blesses the first marriage, performs the second, tolerates the third, and forbids the fourth".
Another type of divorce is what is known as an "ecclesiastical divorce", which does not signify the breakdown of the relationship but is a step taken for the sake of the theosis of the spouses and with the full support and blessing of the Church. This type of divorce may only take place where there is mutual agreement between the two spouses, and is usually carried out in cases where the husband is selected to be consecrated a bishop (as Orthodox bishops are monastic) or where one or both spouses wish to otherwise adopt the monastic lifestyle


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_the_Eastern_Orthodox_Church#Divorce

Why would Orthodox Church permit the  divorce ?

Why do Orthodox Christians allow to divorce and marry for up to three times?

Does the bible prohibit the divorce ?

The Orthodox Church does not allow divorce.  Basically the Church doesn't allow sin, but man sins anyway. And when man sins, the Church then finds a way to get man back on the right path to God.  So when divorce happens, it happens.  It is a sin that needs to be dealt with.  And if it is spiritually more advantageous to let the person remarry rather than force them to remain unmarried and yet they would fornicate/commit adultery, then through ekonomia they are allowed to remarry.  This is not a blanket privilege, rather a case-to-case granting of mercy.
Yes.  The question is not if the Church allows divorce, but if it allows remarriage.

Isa, I've asked this before out of curiosity and I don't think I received an answer as I am struck with the same question again at the moment.

How to formulate it this time?

Are these marriages strictly those which occur within the Church or in a Christian body much like how Baptism is recognized by Bishops when it is done in a Trinitarian manner in another body professing to be Christian?

Or to put it more simply, lets take the absurd case:

Say someone enjoys getting married every year in a purely secular sense to then divorce the next month to be able to marry again the next year.

Would those numerous marriages been seen as marriage within the Church, if they were to later convert?

Hate to get all Westerny, but where does the Church draw the line on marriage outside the Church?
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« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2012, 02:34:16 PM »

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Divorce is permitted in the Orthodox Church for various reasons. The more usual divorce occurs under the pastoral guidance of the spiritual director of the spouses when all attempts at salvaging a marriage have been exhausted. In such cases, remarriage may be possible but there is a special rite for a second marriage which contains a penitential element for the dissolution of the first, i.e. some of the more joyful aspects are removed.[1] Marriage is permitted up to three times in Orthodoxy but each divorce necessitates a short period of excommunication. The Orthodox Church, as the saying goes, "blesses the first marriage, performs the second, tolerates the third, and forbids the fourth".
Another type of divorce is what is known as an "ecclesiastical divorce", which does not signify the breakdown of the relationship but is a step taken for the sake of the theosis of the spouses and with the full support and blessing of the Church. This type of divorce may only take place where there is mutual agreement between the two spouses, and is usually carried out in cases where the husband is selected to be consecrated a bishop (as Orthodox bishops are monastic) or where one or both spouses wish to otherwise adopt the monastic lifestyle


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_the_Eastern_Orthodox_Church#Divorce

Why would Orthodox Church permit the  divorce ?

Why do Orthodox Christians allow to divorce and marry for up to three times?

Does the bible prohibit the divorce ?

The Orthodox Church does not allow divorce.  Basically the Church doesn't allow sin, but man sins anyway. And when man sins, the Church then finds a way to get man back on the right path to God.  So when divorce happens, it happens.  It is a sin that needs to be dealt with.  And if it is spiritually more advantageous to let the person remarry rather than force them to remain unmarried and yet they would fornicate/commit adultery, then through ekonomia they are allowed to remarry.  This is not a blanket privilege, rather a case-to-case granting of mercy.
Yes.  The question is not if the Church allows divorce, but if it allows remarriage.

Isa, I've asked this before out of curiosity and I don't think I received an answer as I am struck with the same question again at the moment.

How to formulate it this time?

Are these marriages strictly those which occur within the Church or in a Christian body much like how Baptism is recognized by Bishops when it is done in a Trinitarian manner in another body professing to be Christian?

Or to put it more simply, lets take the absurd case:

Say someone enjoys getting married every year in a purely secular sense to then divorce the next month to be able to marry again the next year.

Would those numerous marriages been seen as marriage within the Church, if they were to later convert?

Hate to get all Westerny, but where does the Church draw the line on marriage outside the Church?
Morever, the orthodox faith in the Asia, including Hong Kong is still very weak. If Orthodox Christians can only marry with the others who also stay in Orthodox faith, how can Orthodox Christians in Hong Kong have a marriage?
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« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2012, 03:00:43 PM »

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Divorce is permitted in the Orthodox Church for various reasons. The more usual divorce occurs under the pastoral guidance of the spiritual director of the spouses when all attempts at salvaging a marriage have been exhausted. In such cases, remarriage may be possible but there is a special rite for a second marriage which contains a penitential element for the dissolution of the first, i.e. some of the more joyful aspects are removed.[1] Marriage is permitted up to three times in Orthodoxy but each divorce necessitates a short period of excommunication. The Orthodox Church, as the saying goes, "blesses the first marriage, performs the second, tolerates the third, and forbids the fourth".
Another type of divorce is what is known as an "ecclesiastical divorce", which does not signify the breakdown of the relationship but is a step taken for the sake of the theosis of the spouses and with the full support and blessing of the Church. This type of divorce may only take place where there is mutual agreement between the two spouses, and is usually carried out in cases where the husband is selected to be consecrated a bishop (as Orthodox bishops are monastic) or where one or both spouses wish to otherwise adopt the monastic lifestyle


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_the_Eastern_Orthodox_Church#Divorce

Why would Orthodox Church permit the  divorce ?

Why do Orthodox Christians allow to divorce and marry for up to three times?

Does the bible prohibit the divorce ?

The Orthodox Church does not allow divorce.  Basically the Church doesn't allow sin, but man sins anyway. And when man sins, the Church then finds a way to get man back on the right path to God.  So when divorce happens, it happens.  It is a sin that needs to be dealt with.  And if it is spiritually more advantageous to let the person remarry rather than force them to remain unmarried and yet they would fornicate/commit adultery, then through ekonomia they are allowed to remarry.  This is not a blanket privilege, rather a case-to-case granting of mercy.
Yes.  The question is not if the Church allows divorce, but if it allows remarriage.

Isa, I've asked this before out of curiosity and I don't think I received an answer as I am struck with the same question again at the moment.

How to formulate it this time?

Are these marriages strictly those which occur within the Church or in a Christian body much like how Baptism is recognized by Bishops when it is done in a Trinitarian manner in another body professing to be Christian?

Or to put it more simply, lets take the absurd case:

Say someone enjoys getting married every year in a purely secular sense to then divorce the next month to be able to marry again the next year.

Would those numerous marriages been seen as marriage within the Church, if they were to later convert?

Hate to get all Westerny, but where does the Church draw the line on marriage outside the Church?
Not all Westerny: the emirs of Kuweit, and other rich Muslims, can and do marry weekly.

Historically, the Church has required polygamists, for instance, to give up all the wives except for one, i.e. they didn't count those numerous marriages as marriage within the Church, but did accept one with the conversion. There have been cases, however (e.g. St. Vladimir) where the person put off all marriages outside the Church for one inside the Church once converted.

In general one marriage contracted outside the Church is taken into the Church at conversion.

I would say that such behavior as serial marriages would be a red flag warranting attention during the catechumenate.
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How is serial marrying different from promiscuity? St. Paul says that one becomes one flesh even with prostitutes. Is there a difference between beoming one flesh and non-sacramental marriage?
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How is serial marrying different from promiscuity? St. Paul says that one becomes one flesh even with prostitutes. Is there a difference between beoming one flesh and non-sacramental marriage?

You are getting to my point which I think I didn't pose well to Isa.

Would the Church even consider a purely secular marriage which ended in divorce as a previous marriage.
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« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2012, 12:22:03 AM »

How is serial marrying different from promiscuity? St. Paul says that one becomes one flesh even with prostitutes. Is there a difference between beoming one flesh and non-sacramental marriage?

You are getting to my point which I think I didn't pose well to Isa.

Would the Church even consider a purely secular marriage which ended in divorce as a previous marriage.

No.
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« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2012, 12:40:14 AM »

There have been cases, however (e.g. St. Vladimir) where the person put off all marriages outside the Church for one inside the Church once converted.

ANd his 3xgreatgrandaughter from such a pagan marriage become a Saint. Go, figure.
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