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« on: January 09, 2013, 02:14:21 AM »

This picture (1925? Jerusalem?) shows clergy from Coptic, Syriac, Armenian along with Byzantine (Greek?) and Anglican (or is it RC?). And all of them are vested as well. Does anyone know who these clergy members are ? and what the occasion was?
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« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2013, 02:36:41 AM »

Those are definitely the Greek and Armenian Patriarchs of Jerusalem. The middle doesn't match Roman Catholic Patriarchs of the period, he may be Anglican. As for the others, I don't know.
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« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2013, 02:40:53 AM »

The two at the far left strike me as Ethiopian and Syrian.
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« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2013, 02:41:43 AM »

I know there's an Oriental Orthodox concelebration every so often. I once had a tape of it. Wonder if this could be from such an event? Maybe the Anglican prelate was there as a guest? Just a thought.
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« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2013, 11:47:22 AM »

Those are definitely the Greek and Armenian Patriarchs of Jerusalem. The middle doesn't match Roman Catholic Patriarchs of the period, he may be Anglican. As for the others, I don't know.

So are they:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriarch_Yeghishe_Tourian_of_Jerusalem
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http://orthodoxwiki.org/Damianus_of_Jerusalem
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« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2013, 12:32:21 PM »

If one of those bishops is Coptic, he's either Metropolitan Timothy I or Metropolitan Basilious III:

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There exists no detailed history of the archbishops of the see of Jerusalem. The following list of the archbishops since Basilios I is derived from manuscripts preserved in the patriarchal archives in Cairo, the library of the Coptic Museum in Old Cairo, and the patriarchate in Jerusalem (some gaps remain to be filled): 

1. Basilios I (1236-1260) was consecrated during the reign of Pope Cyril III. 

2. Butrus I (1271-1306) was consecrated during the reign of Patriarch JOHN VII. He took up residence in the Church of the Virgin Mary at Damascus and was joined there by the historian Ibn al-Makin Jirjis ibn al-‘Amid. 

3. Mikha’il I (1310-1324) was consecrated during the reign of JOHN VIII (1300-1320). 

4. Butrus II (1331-1362) was consecrated in the reign of PETER V (1340-1348). His name is cited in the Annunciation Codex in the Coptic Museum manuscript of the Gospels (no. 90), dated 1341. 

5. Zacharias I (1575-1600) was a contemporary of JOHN XIV (1570-1585) and GABRIEL VIII (1586-1601), in whose consecration he had the primary role. 

6. Yacobos the Hegumenos (1604-1628) was a contemporary of Mark V (1602-1618). In a document dated A.M. 12 Ba’unah 1320/A.D. 16 June 1604, it is stated that Mark appointed Yacobos pastor of all Coptic possessions in the Holy Land—the Church of the Resurrection and the Holy Places, the shrines, the sanctuaries, and monasteries outside the Church of the Resurrection. 

7. Christodoulos I (1631-1648) was a contemporary of MATTHEW III (1634-1649). 

8. Gabriel I (1680-1705) was a contemporary of JOHN XVI (1676-1718). 

9. Christodoulos II (1720-1725) was a contemporary of PETER VI (1718-1726). 

10. Athanasius I (1725-1766) was a contemporary of Patriarch Peter VI, who, according to the HISTORY OF THE PATRIARCHS, appointed him to succeed Christodoulos, whom he transferred to Ethiopia. 

11. Yusab I (1770-1796) was a contemporary of JOHN XVIII (1769-1796). 

12. Christodoulos III (1797-1819) was a contemporary of MARK VIII (1796-1809) and PETER VII al-Jawli (1809-1852). 

13. Abraham I (1820-1854) was a contemporary of Peter VII. He participated with Anba Sarabamun, known as Abu Tarhah, bishop of Minufiyyah, in promoting Dawud al-Antuni (later CYRIL IV) to the patriarchate. 

14. BASILIOS II (1856-1899), called "the Great," was consecrated by Patriarch CYRIL IV (1854-1861) and survived into the reigns of DEMETRIUS II (1862-1870) and CYRIL V (1874-1927). 

15. Timotheos I (1899-1925) was consecrated by Cyril V as bishop to aid Basilios II in 1896. He succeeded Basilios in 1899. 

16. BASILIOS III (1925-1935) was a contemporary of Cyril V and JOHN XIX (1928-1942). 

17. Theophilos I (1935-1945) was a contemporary of John XIX. 

18. YACOBOS II (1946-1956) was consecrated by Patriarch YUSAB II. 

19. Basilios IV (1959-) was consecrated in 1969 by CYRIL VI (1959-1971).

from http://ccdl.libraries.claremont.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/cce/id/1078/rec/4

The current Coptic Metropolitan Archbishop of Jerusalem is His Eminence Metropolitan Abraham (II?)

https://sites.google.com/site/copticorthodoxjerusalem/our-pastors
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« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2013, 01:21:13 PM »

Those are definitely the Greek and Armenian Patriarchs of Jerusalem. The middle doesn't match Roman Catholic Patriarchs of the period, he may be Anglican. As for the others, I don't know.

So are they:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriarch_Yeghishe_Tourian_of_Jerusalem
and
http://orthodoxwiki.org/Damianus_of_Jerusalem

Looks like it. Here are couple pictures to compare:

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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2013, 08:28:14 AM »

It's from an ecumenical meeting. From 1925.

Kipti,Süryani, Rus,Katolik,Ermeni ve en sağdaki Rum din adamları. (Turkish)

Coptic, Syriac, Russian, Catholic, Armenian, and the rightmost Greek/Rum clergy
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The Tur Abdin Timeline - A timeline of Tur Abdin (Syriac for "the Mountain of the Servants [of God]"), the heartland of the Syriac Orthodox Christians, a hilly region located in upper Mesopotamia, between the Tigris and Euphrates.
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« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2013, 03:15:52 PM »

It's from an ecumenical meeting. From 1925.

Kipti,Süryani, Rus,Katolik,Ermeni ve en sağdaki Rum din adamları. (Turkish)

Coptic, Syriac, Russian, Catholic, Armenian, and the rightmost Greek/Rum clergy
Suryoyutho,
Do you know what is the name of the Syriac clergy member on there is ?
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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2013, 03:19:34 AM »

Unfortunately not. I saw the photo on an Armenian page on Facebook with that Turkish text so that's pretty much what I know about it.
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The Tur Abdin Timeline - A timeline of Tur Abdin (Syriac for "the Mountain of the Servants [of God]"), the heartland of the Syriac Orthodox Christians, a hilly region located in upper Mesopotamia, between the Tigris and Euphrates.
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