Let me summarise a few things:
A guy with some Orthodox backgrounds abandon his faith in favor of some Amish Protestantism. In many threads he writes he is an iconoclast, judaiser, does not believe in Jesus prayer, authority of the clergy etc. He also has outdated views on clothing and family models.
That's understandable and OK.
What is not understandable it's that he keeps saying what is Orthodox and what is not. According to him, the Orthodox things are: headscarves, calendars and antiecumenism. Funnily, icon veneration is not.
And here goes the most funny part:
He watches a documentary about a religious group he never was in contact before and that exists dozens of thousands of kms far from him. He immediately decides they are perfectly Orthodox and plans to join them after watching the film. He also products some arguments for their Orthodoxy and Apostolic succession and whatever.
After he is explained the group captured in the film has no priests he answers there are groups that dress similarly but have priests. That makes think that the most important factors of deciding whether a group is Orthodox or not are (in order of seniority): beards, funny clothes, old calendar, and antiecumenism.
I'm interested in 3 things:
- How will he unite his own iconoclasm and their iconodulism?
- How will he react if he meets them in real life and notices not all of them are medieval cosplayers?
- How will he react when he realises how they call Jesus in their language and not with some "Jeshua" name?
Finally somebody formalizes the Paradox.
How do you worship in communion with Bishops who engage in ecumensim?
How can you receive communion from the Orthodox in violation of that Canon of the Holy Apostles?
(clergy worshiping with non-Orthodox calls for deposing & excommunicating via Canon of Holy Apostles)
How do you venerate that which GOD has forbidden man to create?
So as much as I may be confused, perhaps there are no answers.
Sorry guys, I don't just get spoon fed something and go with it. I don't care who you are, you know some of the stuff I post has rough points, or else it would not arouse such hostile responses.
yes I have problems with icons. Read the 10 commandments.
yes I love the Orthodox worship & prayers in many ways.
yes I believe we should not call priests "father" bishops "master", because God told us not to.
yes I believe above all ecumenism is the greatest of all heresy.
yes I like how the old believers and Amish adhere more to the scriptures in their daily lives.
So rather than trying to rip apart my "confusion", perhaps if somebody would like to answer one simple question without hostility.
IF your bishop engages in WORSHIP with non-Orthodox that violates the Canons of the Holy Apostles, which calls for them to be defrocked and deposed - then HOW can you justify being with that bishop?
Can you really blame me for being confused?
Perhaps I'm just a person brave enough to walk away to re-analyze "what in the world" is going on.