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« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2012, 11:04:53 PM » |
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It is "interesting" how the UGCC has taken to him,
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« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2012, 11:51:37 PM » |
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It is "interesting" how the UGCC has taken to him,
You and I may not agree on very much, Ialmisry; but regarding this issue I must say that I myself have had trouble understanding the attitude of many Catholics toward him. What do you mean? |
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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2012, 12:55:44 PM » |
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It is "interesting" how the UGCC has taken to him,
You and I may not agree on very much, Ialmisry; but regarding this issue I must say that I myself have had trouble understanding the attitude of many Catholics toward him. Towards him or Bobola. |
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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2012, 01:30:34 PM » |
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It is "interesting" how the UGCC has taken to him,
You and I may not agree on very much, Ialmisry; but regarding this issue I must say that I myself have had trouble understanding the attitude of many Catholics toward him. I always find it helpful to disregard the propaganda of either side, so I dismiss Orthodox propoganda about Catholic saints and I dismiss Latin Catholic propaganda about Orthodox saints and when it comes to Eastern Catholic saints I dismiss both. |
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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2012, 04:08:06 PM » |
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It is "interesting" how the UGCC has taken to him,
You and I may not agree on very much, Ialmisry; but regarding this issue I must say that I myself have had trouble understanding the attitude of many Catholics toward him. Towards him or Bobola. To quote Fredrick from The Pirates of Penzance ... Who? |
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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2012, 04:55:00 PM » |
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It is "interesting" how the UGCC has taken to him,
You and I may not agree on very much, Ialmisry; but regarding this issue I must say that I myself have had trouble understanding the attitude of many Catholics toward him. Towards him or Bobola. To quote Fredrick from The Pirates of Penzance ... Who? Him: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Bobola |
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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2012, 09:54:29 PM » |
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It is "interesting" how the UGCC has taken to him,
You and I may not agree on very much, Ialmisry; but regarding this issue I must say that I myself have had trouble understanding the attitude of many Catholics toward him. Towards him or Bobola. What atrocities did St Andrew Bobola supposedly commit? |
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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2012, 12:05:12 AM » |
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By fellow RCs he was described as short-tempered, violent, stubborn, prideful, arrogant, convinced of his own infallibility, and vindictive man. They even nicknamed his as "soul hunter".
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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2012, 12:44:01 AM » |
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By fellow RCs he was described as short-tempered, violent, stubborn, prideful, arrogant, convinced of his own infallibility, and vindictive man. They even nicknamed his as "soul hunter".
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« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2012, 12:49:14 AM » |
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By fellow RCs he was described as short-tempered, violent, stubborn, prideful, arrogant, convinced of his own infallibility, and vindictive man. They even nicknamed his as "soul hunter".
Source? And please don't tell me orthodoxengland. Fr. Jan Poplatek - "Św. Andrzej Bobola. Łowca dusz" quoted here: http://www.rp.pl/artykul/874219.htmland here: http://www.przegladprawoslawny.pl/articles.php?id_n=130&id=8 |
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« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2012, 01:47:23 AM » |
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You mean without bursting out laughing? Well, as Roman Catholic iconography goes, people have been laughing at it for a thousand years. |
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« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2012, 01:53:48 AM » |
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So poorly painted ^
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« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2012, 02:02:29 AM » |
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So poorly painted ^
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« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2012, 02:08:48 AM » |
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links don't work
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« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2012, 02:42:39 AM » |
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So poorly painted ^
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« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2012, 09:10:16 AM » |
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Our Jesuit "iconographer" friend has produced this piece of schlock, featuring Sts Andrew Bobola and Peter the Aleut. All very chummy. I'd love to know who could venerate such an image in good conscience ....    You mean other than Jesuits? |
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« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2012, 06:38:08 PM » |
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Hmmm, did you by chance copy and paste the links I had posted on the Byzcath Forum on this very same topic?  You are mistaken about the "Latin Poles in the Vatican" canonizing him. Only the Pope can canonize and there has only been one Latin Pole who's been Pope and he was not yet born to canonize St. Josaphat in 1867. |
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« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2012, 06:52:31 PM » |
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Hmmm, did you by chance copy and paste the links I had posted on the Byzcath Forum on this very same topic? You are mistaken about the "Latin Poles in the Vatican" canonizing him. Only the Pope can canonize and there has only been one Latin Pole who's been Pope and he was not yet born to canonize St. Josaphat in 1867. No, I am correct: the file was collecting dust until the Polish hierarchy running Galicia dusted it off and demanded his canonization and pushed it in the Polish (but not the Ruthenian) press, his cult being pushed in the Polish insurection of the January Uprising, and it was widely seen as a sign of support to the rebellious Poles (the loyal Ruthenians being quite forgotten). I don't recall on the link. Perhaps. |
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« Reply #21 on: December 06, 2012, 09:32:41 AM » |
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Only the Pope can canonize
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« Reply #22 on: December 06, 2012, 10:29:25 AM » |
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Only the Pope can canonize
Well there's a nice ultramontane way of putting it. I visualize the Swiss Guards at attention around a cannon in San Pietro Sq., their supreme pontiff lighting the fuse, a statue-or better, the remains-of ol' Josaphat sticking out the mouth of the cannon. Too bad I don't know how to photo crop. Of course, we have our own cannon for the Vatican's canonization:  |
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« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2012, 06:21:57 PM » |
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I understand. And because you stuck to your principles, I'm going to canonize you.
(I was going to post the video, but couldn't find it online.)
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« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2012, 06:58:27 PM » |
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Well, at least St. Andrew Bobola really existed... |
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« Reply #25 on: December 06, 2012, 09:47:03 PM » |
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Well, at least St. Andrew Bobola really existed... Yes, the Vatican would prefer that St. Peter the Aleut remained a saint known only to God. |
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« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2012, 12:34:51 AM » |
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Well, at least St. Andrew Bobola really existed... Yes, the Vatican would prefer that St. Peter the Aleut remained a saint known only to God. Even if he did exist, there are serious doubts that he was ever martyred: http://orthodoxhistory.org/2011/01/31/is-the-st-peter-the-aleut-story-true/ |
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Prof. John Paul Himka, a History professor at the University has an interesting chapter about this in one of his books. |
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