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« on: November 11, 2012, 06:32:21 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2012, 06:36:33 AM »

Yes, it is. I guess if anyone wants to provide some sources regarding the issue, they can. Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2012, 07:08:32 AM »

Is the Eucharist a Sacrifice? Yes.

Is the Eucharist an anoting sacrifice like in RCism? I'm not sure. The Catholic version seems a lot more developed than the Orthodox version so I'm not sure whether it's exactly the same.

Yes, it is. I guess if anyone wants to provide some sources regarding the issue, they can. Smiley

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Therefore, most gracious Father, through Jesus Christ Thy Son our Lord, we humbly beseech Thee and we desire that Thou accept and bless these gifts, these things Thou gavest us, these holy unspotted sacrifices, which we offer Thee, first, for Thy Holy Catholic Church...
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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2012, 07:35:13 AM »

Is the Eucharist a Sacrifice? Yes.

Is the Eucharist an anoting sacrifice like in RCism? I'm not sure. The Catholic version seems a lot more developed than the Orthodox version so I'm not sure whether it's exactly the same.

Yes, it is. I guess if anyone wants to provide some sources regarding the issue, they can. Smiley

Canon of Sarum mass:

Therefore, most gracious Father, through Jesus Christ Thy Son our Lord, we humbly beseech Thee and we desire that Thou accept and bless these gifts, these things Thou gavest us, these holy unspotted sacrifices, which we offer Thee, first, for Thy Holy Catholic Church...

The Catholics got their mass from us so it couldnt be more developed!  Wink
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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2012, 08:47:43 AM »

The Catholics got their mass from us so it couldnt be more developed!  Wink

The Canon I quoted was not Catholic but Orthodox. Also, I'm not sure whether RCs have developed their theology beyond just the text of the mass.
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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2012, 11:49:03 AM »

Atonement is reconciliation between God and human. Any sacrifice is an atonement.
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« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2012, 11:25:00 AM »

The Catholics got their mass from us so it couldnt be more developed!  Wink

The Canon I quoted was not Catholic but Orthodox. Also, I'm not sure whether RCs have developed their theology beyond just the text of the mass.

It's the Roman Canon (translated into English), which predates the Schism and we used up until about 1970 when a bunch of guys came up with a bunch of shorter ones containing the essential (for us) "This is my Body...This is my Blood" plus an explicit epiklesis, minus much mention of a sacrifice, trying to appease everyone else. That's a different topic altogether though...

In Catholic theological terms, the Eucharist is the unbloody re-presentation, maybe better yet anamnesis of the once for all sacrifice of Our Lord Jesus Christ on the Cross at Calvary. So not an atoning sacrifice, the Atoning Sacrifice.

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« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2012, 03:48:37 PM »

The Catholics got their mass from us so it couldnt be more developed!  Wink

The Canon I quoted was not Catholic but Orthodox. Also, I'm not sure whether RCs have developed their theology beyond just the text of the mass.

It's the Roman Canon (translated into English), which predates the Schism and we used up until about 1970 when a bunch of guys came up with a bunch of shorter ones containing the essential (for us) "This is my Body...This is my Blood" plus an explicit epiklesis, minus much mention of a sacrifice, trying to appease everyone else. That's a different topic altogether though...

In Catholic theological terms, the Eucharist is the unbloody re-presentation, maybe better yet anamnesis of the once for all sacrifice of Our Lord Jesus Christ on the Cross at Calvary. So not an atoning sacrifice, the Atoning Sacrifice.
Yep. The sacrifice of Calvary and the Eucharist are one and the same. Do the Eastern (and Oriental) Orthodox believe the same?
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« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2012, 04:38:57 PM »

The Catholics got their mass from us so it couldnt be more developed!  Wink

The Canon I quoted was not Catholic but Orthodox. Also, I'm not sure whether RCs have developed their theology beyond just the text of the mass.

It's the Roman Canon (translated into English), which predates the Schism and we used up until about 1970 when a bunch of guys came up with a bunch of shorter ones containing the essential (for us) "This is my Body...This is my Blood" plus an explicit epiklesis, minus much mention of a sacrifice, trying to appease everyone else. That's a different topic altogether though...

In Catholic theological terms, the Eucharist is the unbloody re-presentation, maybe better yet anamnesis of the once for all sacrifice of Our Lord Jesus Christ on the Cross at Calvary. So not an atoning sacrifice, the Atoning Sacrifice.
Yep. The sacrifice of Calvary and the Eucharist are one and the same. Do the Eastern (and Oriental) Orthodox believe the same?
Yes.
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