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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #720 on: June 24, 2013, 09:52:39 PM »
Just found it on ebay. The center icon, of course. The Holy Spirit proceeding from the Theotokos?

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #721 on: June 25, 2013, 01:47:36 AM »
"Nice" find, Nephi.  :P ;)
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #722 on: June 25, 2013, 01:50:59 AM »
Just found it on ebay. The center icon, of course. The Holy Spirit proceeding from the Theotokos?



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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #723 on: June 25, 2013, 01:55:04 AM »
Just found it on ebay. The center icon, of course. The Holy Spirit proceeding from the Theotokos?
Deiparoque?

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #724 on: June 25, 2013, 10:20:11 AM »
"Nice" find, Nephi.  :P ;)

Too bad I won't be bidding on it. ;)

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #725 on: June 25, 2013, 10:22:00 AM »
Just found it on ebay. The center icon, of course. The Holy Spirit proceeding from the Theotokos?

Deiparoque?

Unfortunately I don't understand the joke.

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #726 on: June 25, 2013, 11:38:40 AM »
Just found it on ebay. The center icon, of course. The Holy Spirit proceeding from the Theotokos?

Deiparoque?

Unfortunately I don't understand the joke.

"and the Deipara"
Deipara is Latin for Theotokos, last I checked.

Whoops! I wrote Deipater at first!
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #727 on: June 25, 2013, 01:21:27 PM »
Just found it on ebay. The center icon, of course. The Holy Spirit proceeding from the Theotokos?

Deiparoque?

Unfortunately I don't understand the joke.

"and the Deipara"
Deipara is Latin for Theotokos, last I checked.

Whoops! I wrote Deipater at first!

It's a word that has been Americaned, I think mostly notably in adjective form deiparous.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #728 on: June 25, 2013, 01:23:50 PM »
Just found it on ebay. The center icon, of course. The Holy Spirit proceeding from the Theotokos?

Deiparoque?

Unfortunately I don't understand the joke.

"and the Deipara"
Deipara is Latin for Theotokos, last I checked.

Whoops! I wrote Deipater at first!

Oh I get it now. :P

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #729 on: June 30, 2013, 12:21:02 PM »
My eyes hurt:


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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #730 on: June 30, 2013, 03:28:18 PM »
Looks like popcorn
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #731 on: June 30, 2013, 03:30:04 PM »
Looks like popcorn

Marshmallows maybe, but popcorn? Not sure I see it.

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #732 on: July 05, 2013, 10:40:57 PM »


Schlock?

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #733 on: July 05, 2013, 11:37:52 PM »

Not really sure what these are trying to be honestly, but just thought I'd include them here.


Episcopalian icon.


Mary, Gethsemane, and the Nativity.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #734 on: July 06, 2013, 02:18:20 AM »


Schlock?

No. The Kozelshchanskaya is of western origin, and in many ways falls short of canonicity (absence of stars, the exposed hair of the Virgin, etc) but is not schlock. It's in that nebulous group, like Akhtirskaya and Ostrobramskaya, arising from the geographic overlap between RC west and Orthodox east.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #735 on: July 06, 2013, 02:20:04 AM »

Not really sure what these are trying to be honestly, but just thought I'd include them here.


Folk art at best. Not icons at all.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #736 on: July 06, 2013, 02:25:02 AM »


Episcopalian icon.


Ghastly and stupid. The disembodied hands (presumably representing the crucified Christ) as a creative variant of Christ Emmanuel are silly enough, but the clincher is the Virgin blessing (only male saints of clerical rank bless), and with her left hand to boot.  ::) ::)
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #737 on: July 06, 2013, 02:29:46 AM »


Mary, Gethsemane, and the Nativity.

Attractive Asian Christian art, but utterly unsuitable for Orthodox veneration. There's a thread somewhere where I had quite a bit to say about a picture of Christ and the Mother of God painted as Chinese nobility. A great deal of this sort of stuff comes out of RC circles where "social inclusion" is a major credo.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #738 on: July 06, 2013, 07:46:01 AM »


What is he doing?

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #739 on: July 06, 2013, 08:08:05 AM »
Stop! Hammer time!
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #740 on: July 06, 2013, 08:12:16 AM »


What is he doing?

It's an iconographic representation of this passage from 2 Samuel:

12And it was told king David, saying, The LORD has blessed the house of Obededom, and all that pertains to him, because of the ark of God. So David went and brought up the ark of God from the house of Obededom into the city of David with gladness. 13And it was so, that when they that bore the ark of the LORD had gone six paces, he sacrificed oxen and fatted calves. 14And David danced before the LORD with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod.

The mural is in a church dedicated to Prophet David the King, in Tblisi, Georgia. This is one of many murals showing scenes from the life of the prophet.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #741 on: July 06, 2013, 11:46:22 AM »
Stop! Hammer time!

:D

But LBK, what is David doing there?  It doesn't look like he's sacrificing oxen and fatted calves (unless they're dwarves), dancing in a linen ephod, or even carrying the Ark.  My first impression was that he was forcefully throwing a bag of money onto a table.  :P

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #742 on: July 06, 2013, 11:54:51 AM »
Stop! Hammer time!

:D

But LBK, what is David doing there?  It doesn't look like he's sacrificing oxen and fatted calves (unless they're dwarves), dancing in a linen ephod, or even carrying the Ark.  My first impression was that he was forcefully throwing a bag of money onto a table.  :P



He is obviously doing the arm wave as should be obvious to any breakdancer. ;D For those unfamiliar there is this handy video:
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #743 on: July 06, 2013, 03:39:58 PM »
Yeah, but he won't be able to spin on his head while he's wearing the crown.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #744 on: July 06, 2013, 03:51:06 PM »
Stop! Hammer time!

:D

But LBK, what is David doing there?  It doesn't look like he's sacrificing oxen and fatted calves (unless they're dwarves), dancing in a linen ephod, or even carrying the Ark.  My first impression was that he was forcefully throwing a bag of money onto a table.  :P



He is obviously doing the arm wave as should be obvious to any breakdancer. ;D For those unfamiliar there is this handy video:
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #745 on: July 06, 2013, 09:33:16 PM »
Stop! Hammer time!

:D

But LBK, what is David doing there?  It doesn't look like he's sacrificing oxen and fatted calves (unless they're dwarves), dancing in a linen ephod, or even carrying the Ark.  My first impression was that he was forcefully throwing a bag of money onto a table.  :P



I know. All I can see is him flailing his arms about. The other murals in this church are generally OK in content, but this one just didn't do it for me.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #746 on: July 06, 2013, 10:15:22 PM »
Stop! Hammer time!

:D

But LBK, what is David doing there?  It doesn't look like he's sacrificing oxen and fatted calves (unless they're dwarves), dancing in a linen ephod, or even carrying the Ark.  My first impression was that he was forcefully throwing a bag of money onto a table.  :P



I know. All I can see is him flailing his arms about. The other murals in this church are generally OK in content, but this one just didn't do it for me.

And I've never been more surprised that a strange-looking, questionable icon just didn't appeal to our resident iconography expert.  ;D
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« Reply #747 on: July 06, 2013, 10:46:08 PM »
My eyes hurt:



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« Reply #748 on: July 06, 2013, 10:55:47 PM »
My eyes hurt:


Can't have too much bling.

A textbook case of over-egging the custard.  :P :laugh:
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #750 on: July 20, 2013, 03:37:05 AM »

Not really sure what these are trying to be honestly, but just thought I'd include them here.


These are painted by of an artist from Georgia, David Popiashvili - Давид Попиашвили. Date of birth 1969, Tbilisi, Georgia. Graduated from the State Academy of Fine Arts.

I think they are beautiful.

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also googled them on a Serbian website http://www.pouke.org/forum/topic/21611-david-popiashvilli-ciklus-od-30-ilustracija-za-de%C4%8Diju-bibliju/
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« Reply #751 on: July 20, 2013, 03:39:14 AM »
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« Reply #752 on: July 20, 2013, 04:48:54 AM »
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also http://ibt.org.ru/multimedia_original%20CD/introduction.html

And? The article you've linked to states clearly that the book where these illustrations feature is a work of "creative fantasy". In other words, a product of the writer's and, therefore, the artist's, imaginations. Further evidence that these pictures cannot be considered to be icons. Folk art, yes, as I wrote before. Cute pictures to illustrate a book, yes. Icons, no.
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« Reply #753 on: July 20, 2013, 03:38:36 PM »
I agree. These pictures are good illustrations, but I would not want them to be icons. Even though the Georgian iconographic style is different from the Byzantine or Russo-Byzantine standards, these paintings do not conform even to the Georgian style. These might even be didactic and in good taste, but why bring up these illustrations in a discussion about icons?

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« Reply #755 on: July 21, 2013, 10:04:49 PM »
There has to be some kind of pun to be made here about pray vs. prey and abductions.
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« Reply #756 on: July 21, 2013, 10:45:00 PM »
The ET icon really bothers me.  Everyone knows his finger glowed yellow/white, not red. 

Otherwise, perfectly acceptable. 






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« Reply #757 on: July 21, 2013, 11:05:34 PM »
The ET icon really bothers me.  Everyone knows his finger glowed yellow/white, not red. 

Otherwise, perfectly acceptable. 






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« Reply #758 on: July 22, 2013, 11:41:16 AM »
The ET icon really bothers me.  Everyone knows his finger glowed yellow/white, not red.  

Otherwise, perfectly acceptable.  

Anathema! Everyone knows a proper canonical ET icon should NEVER have the Latinized Sacred Heart! This was obviously produced by someone in Rome's Brodo Asogian metropolia.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #759 on: July 22, 2013, 11:51:43 AM »
The ET icon really bothers me.  Everyone knows his finger glowed yellow/white, not red.  

Otherwise, perfectly acceptable.  

Anathema! Everyone knows a proper canonical ET icon should NEVER have the Latinized Sacred Heart! This was obviously produced by someone in Rome's Brodo Asogian metropolia.

Pfft. If it's good enough for the Antiochian Extra-Terrestrial Rite, it's good enough for me.

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« Reply #760 on: July 22, 2013, 12:02:14 PM »
The ET icon really bothers me.  Everyone knows his finger glowed yellow/white, not red.  

Otherwise, perfectly acceptable.  

Anathema! Everyone knows a proper canonical ET icon should NEVER have the Latinized Sacred Heart! This was obviously produced by someone in Rome's Brodo Asogian metropolia.

Pfft. If it's good enough for the Antiochian Extra-Terrestrial Rite, it's good enough for me.

 ;D ;D ;D

As for ET's finger glowing yellow-white, look at the "icon" closely: that's a halo around the fingertip. The artist was right all along! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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« Reply #761 on: July 22, 2013, 09:55:57 PM »
I'm no expert but something seems a bit off about this Swedish Coptic icon of St.Erik.


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« Reply #762 on: July 22, 2013, 10:05:45 PM »
The ET icon really bothers me.  Everyone knows his finger glowed yellow/white, not red.  

Otherwise, perfectly acceptable.  

Anathema! Everyone knows a proper canonical ET icon should NEVER have the Latinized Sacred Heart! This was obviously produced by someone in Rome's Brodo Asogian metropolia.

Pfft. If it's good enough for the Antiochian Extra-Terrestrial Rite, it's good enough for me.
That's the problem with the AE-TR; they don't vet the heterodox alien devotions in light of proper Orthodox practice! The Sacred Heart devotion clearly arose well after the schism of stardate 41153.7.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #763 on: July 22, 2013, 10:35:34 PM »
Anathema! Everyone knows a proper canonical ET icon should NEVER have the Latinized Sacred Heart! This was obviously produced by someone in Rome's Brodo Asogian metropolia.

Pfft. If it's good enough for the Antiochian Extra-Terrestrial Rite, it's good enough for me.
That's the problem with the AE-TR; they don't vet the heterodox alien devotions in light of proper Orthodox practice! The Sacred Heart devotion clearly arose well after the schism of stardate 41153.7.

But it organically developed out of the legitimate tradition of the Brodo Asogian Church! Why should we force them to give up their heritage that, when properly understood, is fully Orthodox? That's just anti-ET hyperdoxy! Remember what the Holy and Pious St. John, Apostle to the Extra-Terrestrials said:

"Never, never, never let anyone tell you that, in order to be Orthodox, you must be an Earthling. The Brodo Asogians were fully Orthodox for millenia, and their venerable liturgy is far older than any of their heresies."
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #764 on: July 22, 2013, 11:53:16 PM »
Anathema! Everyone knows a proper canonical ET icon should NEVER have the Latinized Sacred Heart! This was obviously produced by someone in Rome's Brodo Asogian metropolia.

Pfft. If it's good enough for the Antiochian Extra-Terrestrial Rite, it's good enough for me.
That's the problem with the AE-TR; they don't vet the heterodox alien devotions in light of proper Orthodox practice! The Sacred Heart devotion clearly arose well after the schism of stardate 41153.7.

But it organically developed out of the legitimate tradition of the Brodo Asogian Church! Why should we force them to give up their heritage that, when properly understood, is fully Orthodox? That's just anti-ET hyperdoxy! Remember what the Holy and Pious St. John, Apostle to the Extra-Terrestrials said:

"Never, never, never let anyone tell you that, in order to be Orthodox, you must be an Earthling. The Brodo Asogians were fully Orthodox for millenia, and their venerable liturgy is far older than any of their heresies."
Ecumenist garbage! Everyone knows that Orthodoxy is the faith that founded the universe, and if the u-word Brodo Asogians — and I would call them much worse than u-words, if the forum rules would allow us to speak of the ETs as they have been historically known — truly wanted to be Orthodox, they would return to it in its most fully preserved form, the EASTERN, EARTHEN TERRESTRIAL form. I would rather be an atheist than worship in a church that allowed reunion with the aliens without them abandoning their disgusting Sacred Heart icons.
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