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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #630 on: May 07, 2013, 09:51:49 PM »

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #631 on: May 07, 2013, 09:55:34 PM »
Chagall?

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« Reply #632 on: May 08, 2013, 04:16:00 AM »
Chagall?

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@pmpn8rGPT: Why do you consider a Belarusian Jewish cubist to be an authority on Orthodox iconography?

Even as art, it misses the mark, IMHO. It's bland, anodyne, ineffectual, even in its attempt to highlight the suffering of the Jewish people during the Holocaust. It doesn't seem to work.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #633 on: May 08, 2013, 04:26:22 AM »
Even as art, it misses the mark, IMHO. It's bland, anodyne, ineffectual, even in its attempt to highlight the suffering of the Jewish people during the Holocaust. It doesn't seem to work.

Disagree in all points.

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #634 on: May 08, 2013, 04:29:38 AM »
Even as art, it misses the mark, IMHO. It's bland, anodyne, ineffectual, even in its attempt to highlight the suffering of the Jewish people during the Holocaust. It doesn't seem to work.

Disagree in all points.

You are entitled to your opinion, as I am entitled to mine on the quality of this painting. I might add that I'm mystified as to why it found its way onto the thread, when it doesn't come close to resembling an icon.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #635 on: May 17, 2013, 04:13:02 PM »
First post on OCnet in a while, and thought I'd start off by sharing some icons by Fr. William Hart McNichols (RC).








"El Espiritu Santo de Taos." I'm assuming this last one is supposed to be a personified Holy Spirit?

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #636 on: May 17, 2013, 04:14:42 PM »

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #637 on: May 17, 2013, 04:27:12 PM »


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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #638 on: May 18, 2013, 07:49:26 AM »

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"El Espiritu Santo de Taos." I'm assuming this last one is supposed to be a personified Holy Spirit?

Yes, it is.

For those who might not know, William Hart McNichols, a Jesuit priest, has painted about as much "iconographic" rubbish as the better-known Robert Lentz, ranging from touchy-feely personal musings to outright blasphemies. This statement of his is part of public record: "Lentz is regarded as one of the foremost authorities on icons today.” Nuff said.  :P :P :P
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #639 on: May 18, 2013, 08:00:10 AM »
First post on OCnet in a while, and thought I'd start off by sharing some icons by Fr. William Hart McNichols (RC).



For those who are wondering who these two are, the Greek inscription reads "St Francis" and "St Michael". They are shown as patrons and protectors of New York.

One is indeed an RC saint, being St Francis of Assisi. The other is the late Fr Mychal Judge, the chaplain to the NY Fire Dept, who was killed in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks. Fr Judge is a favorite subject of both McNichols and Lentz, because of the late priest's homosexual orientation. Both artists, who are homosexual themselves, have painted various "icons" which promote male and female homosexuality in a positive way, in direct violation of what their own church teaches.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #640 on: May 18, 2013, 08:25:33 AM »
First post on OCnet in a while, and thought I'd start off by sharing some icons by Fr. William Hart McNichols (RC).



Creepy! This (Un)Holy Sophia reminds me of the zombi-like figures that adorn some of Hildegard von Bingen's writings:





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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #641 on: May 18, 2013, 08:27:59 AM »

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #642 on: May 19, 2013, 11:57:28 PM »
A Methodist makes us feel less embarrassed about Death to the World and Orthodoxy or Death:

http://morganguyton.wordpress.com/2013/05/18/the-despised-ones-a-bloggers-collective/


I like that it has the short vowel markers.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #643 on: May 20, 2013, 02:58:29 AM »
Another from the Was This Really Necessary Department, aka A Waste of Paint and Time:



The look in Christ's eyes is pretty creepy, too.
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« Reply #644 on: May 20, 2013, 03:09:56 AM »
Another from the Was This Really Necessary Department, aka A Waste of Paint and Time:



The look in Christ's eyes is pretty creepy, too.

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« Reply #646 on: May 24, 2013, 12:31:37 PM »
Well, at least that one was supposed to be weird.  ;)
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #647 on: May 25, 2013, 07:51:24 AM »
Well, at least that one was supposed to be weird.  ;)

Perhaps not by the illustrator though...Joseph Campbell probably would used it in an essay in The Atlantic....

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« Reply #648 on: May 25, 2013, 08:12:15 AM »
I must admit, I laughed when I saw it, for its sheer silliness, and knowing that that was its intent.

Unlike the abominations visited upon us by "master iconographers" who oughta know better.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #649 on: May 25, 2013, 09:50:34 AM »

More here: http://laughingsquid.com/star-wars-as-medieval-art/

Vey shocking but yeah, this one with Jar Jar Binks is funny.

However, I must say, I really like Star Wars and some,let's say, not so serious pictures, but I think there are some boundaries...
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« Reply #650 on: May 25, 2013, 10:04:15 AM »

More here: http://laughingsquid.com/star-wars-as-medieval-art/

Vey shocking but yeah, this one with Jar Jar Binks is funny.

However, I must say, I really like Star Wars and some,let's say, not so serious pictures, but I think there are some boundaries...

If the artist paints one with Jabba the Hutt ....  :P :P :o :o :laugh:
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #651 on: May 26, 2013, 09:51:08 PM »
Try this one on for size- granted, this one is not Schlock, just nice-looking, but I'd prefer to run it through LBK before putting this icon on my wall.



http://theophilia.deviantart.com/art/The-Theotokos-of-Jerusalem-349985068
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #652 on: May 26, 2013, 10:16:49 PM »
Try this one on for size- granted, this one is not Schlock, just nice-looking, but I'd prefer to run it through LBK before putting this icon on my wall.



http://theophilia.deviantart.com/art/The-Theotokos-of-Jerusalem-349985068

I've seen Theophilia's DA before, and I must say that I like her(?) stuff.

With that particular icon, I think the biggest problem with it is the deficient use of "I AM" in the halo. Maybe also the improper use of colors for the clothes. Although LBK might see something else.
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« Reply #653 on: May 26, 2013, 10:33:06 PM »
Hmm... thank you. I was just making sure. Well, at least it certainly beats Lentz's work. :D
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #654 on: May 26, 2013, 11:26:44 PM »
Try this one on for size- granted, this one is not Schlock, just nice-looking, but I'd prefer to run it through LBK before putting this icon on my wall.



http://theophilia.deviantart.com/art/The-Theotokos-of-Jerusalem-349985068

I've seen Theophilia's DA before, and I must say that I like her(?) stuff.

With that particular icon, I think the biggest problem with it is the deficient use of "I AM" in the halo. Maybe also the improper use of colors for the clothes. Although LBK might see something else.

LBK indeed sees something else. More than one something in fact. The "I AM" in the halo is the least of its problems.

The woman looks like a Bratz doll (though she does have a nose), all gooey-eyed with a bit of "come hither". The child is utterly devoid of any sense of being all-knowing, there is not a scrap of divine majesty in him. He's a generic Gerber Baby. Or a kewpie doll. I can almost hear him saying "goo!"

Sentimental, self-indulgent schlock. Worthless as an icon.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #655 on: May 26, 2013, 11:36:41 PM »


I think this is much more well done. Same artist. Anything you see with this one?
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« Reply #656 on: May 26, 2013, 11:38:14 PM »
Too much Disney. I like Disney but not on icons.

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« Reply #657 on: May 26, 2013, 11:42:15 PM »


I think this is much more well done. Same artist. Anything you see with this one?

Eyeshadow overload, and far too much blush.  :P

Why bother with an insipid copy of one of the most sublime and spiritually powerful icons in existence, when it's so easy to get a framed or mounted print of the original masterpiece? Some historic icons are impossible to adequately replicate. The Vladimirskaya is one of them.
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« Reply #658 on: May 26, 2013, 11:45:31 PM »
I can almost hear him saying "goo!"
God forbid the incarnate Logos use babytalk.
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« Reply #659 on: May 26, 2013, 11:47:05 PM »
"come hither".
Yeah, I can see that.

Why bother with an insipid copy
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« Reply #660 on: May 26, 2013, 11:48:48 PM »
I can almost hear him saying "goo!"
God forbid the incarnate Logos use babytalk.

You oughta know better than that. Icons aren't photographs, frozen in time.

Show me a proper, canonical icon which doesn't show the Child as all-wise. Show me in the hymns of the Church for the Nativity and the Meeting of the Lord where the Child is a helpless, unknowing babe.

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« Reply #661 on: May 26, 2013, 11:51:26 PM »
You oughta know better than that. Icons aren't photographs, frozen in time.
True, but your disgust at the notion of Christ as an infant talking like an infant is disturbing.

It smacks of docetism.
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« Reply #662 on: May 26, 2013, 11:51:56 PM »
Why bother with an insipid copy
He has scattered the proud in the imaginations of their hearts.

These artists are expressing the indulgent fantasies of their imaginations. A true iconographer has no such pride, only humility to use his talents and abilities to serve the Church and to express her teachings.

Iconography is an obedience, not a hobby for dilettante artists.
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« Reply #663 on: May 26, 2013, 11:53:44 PM »
Why bother with an insipid copy
He has scattered the proud in the imaginations of their hearts.

These artists are expressing the indulgent fantasies of their imaginations. A true iconographer has no such pride, only humility to use his talents and abilities to serve the Church and to express her teachings.

Iconography is an obedience, not a hobby for dilettante artists.

The website she's posting on indicates that her work is not intended to replace or substitute for iconography.

It's a website for kids to swap sketches and adults to gather cult followings or show off in e-gallery format. Not the Louvre or a cathedral.

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« Reply #664 on: May 26, 2013, 11:54:44 PM »
You oughta know better than that. Icons aren't photographs, frozen in time.
True, but your disgust at the notion of Christ as an infant talking like an infant is disturbing.

It smacks of docetism.


Yet again you miss the point. The Child is indeed shown as an infant in His icons. Heck, in Nativity icons, He's being washed by the midwives, to show His birth was natural, as a testimony to His Incarnation, and potently expressing His humility. He is forever God, yet He condescends to be washed after His birth.
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« Reply #665 on: May 26, 2013, 11:58:51 PM »
Why bother with an insipid copy
He has scattered the proud in the imaginations of their hearts.

These artists are expressing the indulgent fantasies of their imaginations. A true iconographer has no such pride, only humility to use his talents and abilities to serve the Church and to express her teachings.

Iconography is an obedience, not a hobby for dilettante artists.

The website she's posting on indicates that her work is not intended to replace or substitute for iconography.

It's a website for kids to swap sketches and adults to gather cult followings or show off in e-gallery format. Not the Louvre or a cathedral.



Icons are not playthings for artistic self-expression. If these folks want to paint icons, then they should apprentice themselves to a master iconographer and learn properly. Something that looks like an icon can, and will, be regarded as such by pious but unsuspecting folks.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #666 on: May 26, 2013, 11:59:16 PM »
Why bother with an insipid copy
He has scattered the proud in the imaginations of their hearts.

These artists are expressing the indulgent fantasies of their imaginations. A true iconographer has no such pride, only humility to use his talents and abilities to serve the Church and to express her teachings.

Iconography is an obedience, not a hobby for dilettante artists.

The website she's posting on indicates that her work is not intended to replace or substitute for iconography.

It's a website for kids to swap sketches and adults to gather cult followings or show off in e-gallery format. Not the Louvre or a cathedral.



Icons are not playthings for artistic self-expression. If these folks want to paint icons, then they should apprentice themselves to a master iconographer and learn properly. Something that looks like an icon can, and will, be regarded as such by pious but unsuspecting folks.

They aren't icons, LBK. They don't look like icons.
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« Reply #667 on: May 27, 2013, 12:06:11 AM »
LBK indeed sees something else. More than one something in fact. The "I AM" in the halo is the least of its problems.

The woman looks like a Bratz doll (though she does have a nose), all gooey-eyed with a bit of "come hither". The child is utterly devoid of any sense of being all-knowing, there is not a scrap of divine majesty in him. He's a generic Gerber Baby. Or a kewpie doll. I can almost hear him saying "goo!"

Sentimental, self-indulgent schlock. Worthless as an icon.

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« Reply #668 on: May 27, 2013, 12:07:08 AM »
They aren't icons, LBK. They don't look like icons.

Oh yes they do. As if it was a Bratz Iconography Coloring Book for Kids.
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« Reply #669 on: May 27, 2013, 12:08:02 AM »
Why bother with an insipid copy
He has scattered the proud in the imaginations of their hearts.

These artists are expressing the indulgent fantasies of their imaginations. A true iconographer has no such pride, only humility to use his talents and abilities to serve the Church and to express her teachings.

Iconography is an obedience, not a hobby for dilettante artists.

The website she's posting on indicates that her work is not intended to replace or substitute for iconography.

It's a website for kids to swap sketches and adults to gather cult followings or show off in e-gallery format. Not the Louvre or a cathedral.



Icons are not playthings for artistic self-expression. If these folks want to paint icons, then they should apprentice themselves to a master iconographer and learn properly. Something that looks like an icon can, and will, be regarded as such by pious but unsuspecting folks.

They aren't icons, LBK. They don't look like icons.

Tell that to folks like Nephi, who, in genuine and honest ignorance, would likely have purchased such an image if no-one alerted them otherwise.
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« Reply #670 on: May 27, 2013, 12:11:13 AM »
I almost spat my Coke all over my screen seeing that Star Wars one. I think I woke my neighbors up from laughing.

I wonder if Robert Lentz ever sent a Valentine's Day card to LBK that looked like an icon, and maybe included a free sample of his icon on Harvey Milk.
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« Reply #671 on: May 27, 2013, 12:12:47 AM »
THIS is why I'm now running these past you, LBK, before they go on my icon corner.
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« Reply #672 on: May 27, 2013, 12:25:35 AM »
I almost spat my Coke all over my screen seeing that Star Wars one. I think I woke my neighbors up from laughing.

I wonder if Robert Lentz ever sent a Valentine's Day card to LBK that looked like an icon, and maybe included a free sample of his icon on Harvey Milk.

If he knew about the sustained and systematic criticism I've leveled at his work, online, and in print ....
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« Reply #673 on: May 27, 2013, 12:26:09 AM »
THIS is why I'm now running these past you, LBK, before they go on my icon corner.

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« Reply #674 on: May 27, 2013, 12:35:38 AM »
I almost spat my Coke all over my screen seeing that Star Wars one. I think I woke my neighbors up from laughing.

I wonder if Robert Lentz ever sent a Valentine's Day card to LBK that looked like an icon, and maybe included a free sample of his icon on Harvey Milk.

If he knew about the sustained and systematic criticism I've leveled at his work, online, and in print ....
LOL. You ever personally sent the guy a message to knock it off with the icons?
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