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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1350 on: January 25, 2014, 03:43:57 AM »
Not sure what's happening here:


Now available in blond:



Needing a hug on the cross:


Holy Family with teenage Christ:



The first one: a copy of a piece of sociopolitical schlock by Robert Lentz, which attempts to portray the Virgin and Child "in solidarity" with victims of the Jewish Holocaust of the Second World War. The Child is holding the scrolls of the Torah. Nice bit of Judaizing there.  :P

The second one: A blending of two historic icons, a 12th century Mandylion, and a similarly ancient icon of Christ with golden hair.

The third one: A nice sentiment, but it's at home with some forms of Roman Catholic piety, not Orthodox iconography.

The fourth one: Yet another version of the "Holy Family". OK if you're Roman Catholic, not OK if you're Orthodox.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1351 on: January 25, 2014, 07:10:40 PM »
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1352 on: January 25, 2014, 07:14:07 PM »
"MENAS, WE ARE FRIENDS."

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There are also the portraits of Al Fayoum: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fayum_mummy_portraits

Neither the icon posted by NicholasMyra, nor the al-Fayoum portraits are grotesque or unsettling to look at. The painting posted earlier is.

Says you and they look like they have all the "training" in their creation you go on about of a kindergartner.

This is not point out the weird MLP: FiMesque Coptic images I see here and around.

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1353 on: January 25, 2014, 07:42:29 PM »


I like it.  Is our Lord standing on a hot water bottle?
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1354 on: January 25, 2014, 07:46:23 PM »


I like it.  Is our Lord standing on a hot water bottle?

I was going to guess whoopie cushion, but that would've just been blasphemous.

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« Reply #1355 on: January 25, 2014, 07:53:26 PM »
I was going to guess whoopie cushion, but that would've just been blasphemous.

I might have guessed an ancient version of the bosu ball (with his use of a sword strongly implying crossfit), but then talking about Jesus exercising is really frowned upon around here.  :angel:

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1356 on: January 25, 2014, 07:55:55 PM »
Plus, I'm pretty sure CrossFit is a cult.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1357 on: January 25, 2014, 08:01:50 PM »
I might have guessed an ancient version of the bosu ball (with his use of a sword strongly implying crossfit), but then talking about Jesus exercising is really frowned upon around here.  :angel:

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1358 on: January 25, 2014, 09:51:29 PM »
Plus, I'm pretty sure CrossFit is a cult.

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1359 on: January 25, 2014, 11:04:51 PM »


For those who are wondering, the Slavonic inscription is of Hebrews 4:12 :

For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1360 on: January 25, 2014, 11:58:06 PM »


For those who are wondering, the Slavonic inscription is of Hebrews 4:12 :

For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Did you see the thread about what brings me joy? He has a two-edge sword of the Lord he breaks out. I gotta find it.

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1361 on: January 26, 2014, 12:00:59 AM »
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No. I don't read threads started by people specifically to draw attention to themselves.  :P
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1362 on: January 26, 2014, 12:06:57 AM »
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No. I don't read threads started by people specifically to draw attention to themselves.  :P

That is not the reason for the thread and really you should know by now I am the last person who has to try to get attention. Oh well, your loss.

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1363 on: January 26, 2014, 12:08:52 AM »
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No. I don't read threads started by people specifically to draw attention to themselves.  :P

That is not the reason for the thread and really you should know by now I am the last person who has to try to get attention. Oh well, your loss.

Anyway, this is the sword of God withdrawn and extended:



At this part of the youtube video he gets on his knees for some reason to pray and ends the prayer by using the sword:

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1364 on: January 26, 2014, 10:54:23 AM »
Ethiopian are worse. Not to mention Syriacs of different flavours that do not seem to have any traditional iconography at all.

Neocoptic are nice, however.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1365 on: January 26, 2014, 06:46:41 PM »
Neocoptic are nice, however.

I once brought this style up to a couple of Copts who were coming to an Orthodox Christian get-together. Before I got more than a few words out, they stopped me, and said something to the effect of, "yes, we know they're not right. There's only one artist in the world who does good Coptic icons, and he has to be flow around everywhere, so we have to resort to [painting the sort of icons I'd seen]."

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1366 on: January 26, 2014, 06:57:20 PM »
Ethiopian are worse.

I actually really like the Ethiopian icons, especially the ones with the more psychedelic colors. Maybe I'm just a schlocky guy.

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1367 on: January 26, 2014, 07:04:40 PM »
This is not point out the weird MLP: FiMesque Coptic images I see here and around.

Actual MLP:FiM icon:


Actual NeoCoptic icon:


« Last Edit: January 26, 2014, 07:11:46 PM by NicholasMyra »
Quote from: Fr. Thomas Hopko, dystopian parable of the prodigal son
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1368 on: January 26, 2014, 07:15:04 PM »
This is not point out the weird MLP: FiMesque Coptic images I see here and around.

Actual MLP:FiM icon:


Actual NeoCoptic icon:




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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1369 on: January 26, 2014, 07:24:14 PM »


This joyful ministry worked a very well-known healing anointment a few decades ago:

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1370 on: January 26, 2014, 07:26:15 PM »
Ethiopian are worse.

I actually really like the Ethiopian icons, especially the ones with the more psychedelic colors. Maybe I'm just a schlocky guy.

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1371 on: January 27, 2014, 09:41:24 AM »
Ethiopian are worse.

I actually really like the Ethiopian icons, especially the ones with the more psychedelic colors. Maybe I'm just a schlocky guy.



Another example I love:



I agree about the neo-Coptic style... I call it Disantine.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1372 on: January 27, 2014, 09:48:19 AM »
I actually really like the Ethiopian icons

+1 They just represent Ethiopian culture, perspective and spirit. But I don't have any problems to recognize them as icons, which is very often not the case of e.g latins' pictures. Well, probably there is one type of Ethiopian icon, that I don't like: the Trinity. Just see it:



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« Reply #1373 on: January 27, 2014, 09:50:49 AM »
I actually really like the Ethiopian icons

+1 They just represent Ethiopian culture, perspective and spirit. But I don't have any problems to recognize them as icons, which is very often not the case of e.g latins' pictures. Well, probably there is one type of Ethiopian icon, that I don't like: the Trinity. Just see it:



The only form of depiction of the Trinity is the Rublov's one.


It would have been right at home on tour with the Dead.

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« Reply #1374 on: January 27, 2014, 09:59:34 AM »
It would have been right at home on tour with the Dead.

Whelp, using Google to understand your reference led to some unpleasant things.
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« Reply #1375 on: January 27, 2014, 10:02:36 AM »
It would have been right at home on tour with the Dead.

Whelp, using Google to understand your reference led to some unpleasant things.

I assume he meant the Grateful Dead. I've often thought how dull and lifeless their music is in comparison to their packaging.
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« Reply #1376 on: January 27, 2014, 10:09:05 AM »
It would have been right at home on tour with the Dead.

Whelp, using Google to understand your reference led to some unpleasant things.

I assume he meant the Grateful Dead. I've often thought how dull and lifeless their music is in comparison to their packaging.

That makes a lot of sense. Google gave me two options and I chose the wrong one.
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« Reply #1377 on: January 27, 2014, 10:41:09 AM »
It would have been right at home on tour with the Dead.

Whelp, using Google to understand your reference led to some unpleasant things.

I assume he meant the Grateful Dead. I've often thought how dull and lifeless their music is in comparison to their packaging.

No kidding. I saw the Dead swag way before I heard their music. I don't think I'd ever heard more "musicians" do less with more. There were 12 guys on a stage playing and it sounded like three dudes.

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« Reply #1378 on: January 27, 2014, 10:41:52 AM »
It would have been right at home on tour with the Dead.

Whelp, using Google to understand your reference led to some unpleasant things.

I assume he meant the Grateful Dead. I've often thought how dull and lifeless their music is in comparison to their packaging.

That makes a lot of sense. Google gave me two options and I chose the wrong one.

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« Reply #1379 on: January 27, 2014, 08:06:13 PM »
The Ethiopian icons look like they were done by someone tripped on LSD. Look at the colors! The Trinity icon feels especially spacey, because the Three Persons of the Godhead have an unclear expression.

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1380 on: January 29, 2014, 10:03:14 PM »
Can't decide whether schlock or not.



Schlock, definitely. Has no stars.
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« Reply #1381 on: February 02, 2014, 10:55:39 AM »


One of the Catholic Our Lady of Fatima (yay pintrest).
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« Reply #1382 on: February 02, 2014, 12:49:16 PM »
Can't decide whether schlock or not.



Schlock, definitely. Has no stars.

Maybe the chrysanthemums can stand in for stars?
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1383 on: February 02, 2014, 12:55:10 PM »
I'm unable to consider Neo-Coptic art as icons. Too cartoonish. Has Coptic iconography always been like that?
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« Reply #1384 on: February 02, 2014, 01:10:48 PM »
Is that second Greek word (Internetakias) an actual word? Does anyone have an idea what that could mean?



Internekakias could be roughly translated as "prolific internet user" or "netgeek". It's very likely become part of present-day Greek slang.

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« Reply #1385 on: February 02, 2014, 02:10:40 PM »
He looks like Padre Pio.
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« Reply #1386 on: February 02, 2014, 02:26:30 PM »
He looks like Padre Pio.

LOL, I was just going to post that...
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« Reply #1387 on: February 03, 2014, 01:29:58 PM »
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« Reply #1388 on: February 03, 2014, 01:40:55 PM »
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« Reply #1390 on: February 03, 2014, 06:39:19 PM »
There are no words
http://www.olgalaxy.com/icons

OMG

OMG doesn't even begin to cover it ....  :P :P :P :o >:(

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« Reply #1391 on: February 03, 2014, 09:46:50 PM »
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1392 on: February 04, 2014, 03:05:47 PM »
Here is a schlock icon of "St." Matrona of Moscow.
Did she accept Stalin? Who canonized "St." Matrona?



And here it is being venerated:

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1393 on: February 04, 2014, 03:25:06 PM »
Here is a schlock icon of "St." Matrona of Moscow.
Did she accept Stalin? Who canonized "St." Matrona?


She was canonized on May 2, 1999 by the Russian Orthodox Church.  So, you don't need quotation marks.

Stalin didn't step foot in her room, though.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1394 on: February 04, 2014, 04:33:41 PM »
Here is a schlock icon of "St." Matrona of Moscow.
Did she accept Stalin? Who canonized "St." Matrona?



And here it is being venerated:



St Matrona of Moscow is indeed a glorified saint. No ifs, no buts. There is no need whatsoever for the quotation marks, Maria.

The icon being venerated was originally one of several panels showing scenes from St Matrona's life, surrounding a large central panel of her. It is not schlock.

It depicts a scene where Stalin visited her, but he rejected the advice she gave him. This is clearly expressed in Stalin's defiant posture and the way he is striding away from her. His presence in this panel cannot be construed as him being a saint, just as other malign figures are often seen in such panels of the life icons of other saints. Saints can be seen rebuking pagan kings, or standing before pagan judges. Who is the holy one in the panel is easy to spot.
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