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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #3330 on: October 22, 2018, 06:17:58 PM »
I just noticed the guy holding the camera.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #3331 on: October 22, 2018, 07:56:50 PM »
AH, another nationalistic icon type.

Here's one better:

St. George slaying the Russian eagle.

this makes my blood boil.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #3332 on: October 22, 2018, 08:15:27 PM »
AH, another nationalistic icon type.

Here's one better:

St. George slaying the Russian eagle.

Of greater offense is the fact the Holy Spirit has been enveloped by the Ukrainian Tryzub. Make of that what you will.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #3333 on: October 22, 2018, 08:22:00 PM »
Who? Where? Did we enter into communion with that?!

EP did.
THAT is not the answer I wanted to hear  :'(

This really is in one of the KP or UAOC churches?
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #3334 on: October 23, 2018, 11:35:02 AM »
Who? Where? Did we enter into communion with that?!

EP did.
THAT is not the answer I wanted to hear  :'(

This really is in one of the KP or UAOC churches?

it is in a KP church (i will try to find it online)
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #3335 on: October 23, 2018, 12:02:51 PM »
Who? Where? Did we enter into communion with that?!

EP did.
THAT is not the answer I wanted to hear  :'(

This really is in one of the KP or UAOC churches?

Supposedly a KP cathedral. I'm having to take the word on that thirdhand, though.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #3336 on: November 06, 2018, 04:47:01 PM »

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Re: Schlock Icons
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #3338 on: November 07, 2018, 08:48:55 PM »
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #3339 on: November 08, 2018, 03:21:38 AM »
Found right outside my Philosophy 101 class.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #3340 on: November 11, 2018, 11:10:47 PM »
Who? Where? Did we enter into communion with that?!

EP did.
THAT is not the answer I wanted to hear  :'(

Oh, sorry.  I meant that you entered into communion with that.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #3341 on: November 21, 2018, 05:22:08 PM »
"For what shall it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his soul?" - Mark 8:36 (DRA)

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #3342 on: November 21, 2018, 06:57:17 PM »
LOL
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #3343 on: November 21, 2018, 07:30:30 PM »
If you're a real Christian, you hate idols and The Simpsons!
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #3344 on: November 21, 2018, 11:25:27 PM »
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #3345 on: November 22, 2018, 08:23:54 PM »


There's no denying the man has the patience of a saint.
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Re: Schlock Icons
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #3349 on: December 06, 2018, 05:36:36 PM »
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #3350 on: December 06, 2018, 11:50:43 PM »


“The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows.”
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Re: Schlock Icons
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #3352 on: February 05, 2019, 10:18:50 AM »
Weird anti-abortion theology:

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #3353 on: February 06, 2019, 04:15:15 PM »
We have descended from the realm of shlock into the veritable abyss of madness, with the mild exception of Agabus’s example posted above.  But seriously, icons of Ned Flanders and Spiderman et cie are quite beyond the pale.  At least the Warhammer icon does not directly follow Orthodox iconographic approaches; it is more akin to other SF iconography like the images of the false “deity” Gehn in Riven.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #3354 on: March 02, 2019, 12:36:29 AM »
I really don't know what to say to all of this. I really tired to come up with something. I did, but I just can't. :)

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Re: Schlock Icons
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #3358 on: March 07, 2019, 04:23:43 AM »


I’ve seen that, and even worse icons of Sts. Sergius and Bacchus.  Sts. Cosmas and Damian also have been targeted for homosexual “reinterpretation.”
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« Reply #3359 on: March 07, 2019, 04:48:22 AM »
Please tell me what purpose other than blasphemy, is pursuing this topic?
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« Reply #3360 on: March 07, 2019, 05:43:15 AM »
Please tell me what purpose other than blasphemy, is pursuing this topic?

Reading page 1 of this thread should help. It's to show people that there are many images out there which might look like icons, but are blasphemous, or express teachings or ideas which have no place in Orthodox belief. Sometimes the artists don't realize what they are painting is wrong, other times they do know, but paint them anyway.

The Sergius and Bacchus one is a typical example. The artist who painted it states that the saints were homosexual lovers, so he deliberately painted them like that. The artist has painted other pairs of saints to promote a positive view of homosexuality.

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http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,11209.0/all.html

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,44810.0/all.html
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« Reply #3361 on: March 07, 2019, 06:22:49 AM »
It's to show people that there are many images out there which might look like icons, but are blasphemous, or express teachings or ideas which have no place in Orthodox belief.
Apparently, this is some Western specifics...
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« Reply #3362 on: March 07, 2019, 06:33:33 AM »

Apparently, this is some Western specifics...

Do you mean that there aren't Orthodox people who have painted bad icons? That it is only something that non-Orthodox people have done?
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« Reply #3363 on: March 07, 2019, 06:54:19 AM »
I mean the concept you've voiced (teaching the good through repeating the bad) sounds strange. But I admit that my misunderstanding is due to cultural differences.
But still strange...
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« Reply #3364 on: March 07, 2019, 07:14:05 AM »
I mean the concept you've voiced (teaching the good through repeating the bad) sounds strange. But I admit that my misunderstanding is due to cultural differences.
But still strange...

What I am about to say happened a few years ago. I was looking at the website of an Orthodox monastery which sold icons and vestments produced by the nuns. On the website was an embroidered icon which was an exact copy of the blasphemous St Sergius and Bacchus image. I emailed the monastery, letting them know about the origin of the image, which I was sure they had innocently included in their range without knowing its history.

A day later, I received a reply from one of the nuns, who had been given the blessing to respond to emails and letters. She said she would be showing my email to the abbess. A couple of days later, the abbess herself emailed me. She thanked me for letting the monastery know that the image was blasphemous and heretical, and that the monastery would immediately stop producing embroidered icons using the image.

Isxodnik, do you think it would have been better for me to remain silent and in doing so allow a monastery to keep producing items based on a blasphemous and heretical painting which looks like an icon?
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #3365 on: March 07, 2019, 07:37:51 AM »
You're good! I say: cultural peculiarities. I can't imagine, so we needed someone to explain what the icon with the reptiles, or to the tune of Warhammer - the non-Orthodox. There are distortions, but not so obvious. For example, I was sent an icon of the Mother of God "Московская и всея Руси". Alarming is its name, the image is also non-canonical, with Muslim and Masonic symbols, the origin is muddy. But still not such a blow to the eyes, as in this topic ))
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« Reply #3366 on: March 07, 2019, 08:01:54 AM »
You're good! I say: cultural peculiarities. I can't imagine, so we needed someone to explain what the icon with the reptiles, or to the tune of Warhammer - the non-Orthodox. There are distortions, but not so obvious. For example, I was sent an icon of the Mother of God "Московская и всея Руси". Alarming is its name, the image is also non-canonical, with Muslim and Masonic symbols, the origin is muddy. But still not such a blow to the eyes, as in this topic ))

The extreme images on this thread like the Warhammer or reptile ones are so obviously ridiculous that no Orthodox person (or even non-Orthodox but Christian) would think they're OK to venerate. They're just silly cartoons.

The bad icons that are more dangerous are the ones like the Moskovskaya i vseya Rusi you mentioned. It's because they are not "blows to the eyes" that people might not realize they're no good.
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« Reply #3367 on: March 07, 2019, 08:30:14 AM »
Then we return to the original question: why post openly blasphemous images?
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« Reply #3368 on: March 07, 2019, 09:50:10 AM »
Then we return to the original question: why post openly blasphemous images?

To educate people about paintings that look like icons, but which are not good and proper icons. With some images, it's obvious to most people that they're wrong (like the ones you called "blows to the eyes"), but with many other images, like the Moskovskaya you mentioned, or the Sergius and Bacchus the nuns had copied in honest ignorance, it's not so obvious.
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