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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2925 on: April 28, 2016, 06:07:01 PM »
So I got this one from a friend...



Is there a legitimate use for it?

IMO, yes. The homosexual subtext is just that, subtext and mostly up to interpretation. However, others, most famous LBK have denounced it as being gay propaganda. I'm not quite sure what makes this icon different from icons of Sts. Cosmas and Damien, other than the less than orthodox iconographer. To me. It's the image that matters, not the one who made it. After all, we don't really know who made most of the icons from before the 20th century. Who's to say some of them weren't just as heterodox as Br. Lentz?

Excuse me...what makes it homosexual?
Or any Icon such?
What is the "subtext" in this or any |con?
I feel they are silly questions I ask, even.....well, I'm already being WATCHED by TPTB, so I'll stop.
Back to the original: how did you determine that slant of sexuality?
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2926 on: April 28, 2016, 06:49:49 PM »
So I got this one from a friend...



Is there a legitimate use for it?

IMO, yes. The homosexual subtext is just that, subtext and mostly up to interpretation. However, others, most famous LBK have denounced it as being gay propaganda. I'm not quite sure what makes this icon different from icons of Sts. Cosmas and Damien, other than the less than orthodox iconographer. To me. It's the image that matters, not the one who made it. After all, we don't really know who made most of the icons from before the 20th century. Who's to say some of them weren't just as heterodox as Br. Lentz?

Excuse me...what makes it homosexual?
Or any Icon such?
What is the "subtext" in this or any |con?
I feel they are silly questions I ask, even.....well, I'm already being WATCHED by TPTB, so I'll stop.
Back to the original: how did you determine that slant of sexuality?
This icon (and others by Br. Robert Lentz) have been accused of being homosexual propaganda. While some of them truly are (his icon of Harvey Milk comes to mind), this isn't one of those icons. At least not from my perspective.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2927 on: April 28, 2016, 07:38:31 PM »
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2928 on: April 28, 2016, 09:38:21 PM »
This thread discussed that image at length:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,44810.0/all.html

Thank you for the reference above.
If this was not a public forum, I would tell you what a load this is....off my mind?
No, not quite.
Is that why folks never signed their names?
Also we are so twisted that we can no longer think that a man who love another man does so without sex.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2929 on: April 29, 2016, 01:30:25 AM »
But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
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« Reply #2930 on: May 09, 2016, 10:48:54 PM »
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2931 on: May 09, 2016, 11:44:01 PM »
"For what shall it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his soul?" - Mark 8:36 (DRA)

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2932 on: May 09, 2016, 11:46:58 PM »


Source

 ::) I'd give them an E for Effort. But I think their are actual icons that show Christ's love for his mother, like the icon of her dormition.
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« Reply #2933 on: May 10, 2016, 12:02:00 AM »

 ::) I'd give them an E for Effort.

An E? That's generous.  :P  ;)

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But I think there are actual icons that show Christ's love for his mother, like the icon of her dormition.

The icon of the Dormition is a superb example of Christ showing His love for His Mother. There are also the exquisite Yaroslavskaya and Yakhromskaya icons of the Mother of God:

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« Reply #2934 on: May 10, 2016, 01:04:58 AM »
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2935 on: May 14, 2016, 12:10:25 PM »


"Suicide Bombers just need a hug" - Banksy
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2936 on: May 14, 2016, 12:43:30 PM »


"Suicide Bombers just need a hug" - Banksy

Here is the original painting by William Bouguereau, to show the magnitude of Banksy's travesty:



Though not an icon, this magnificent painting is one of the few I've seen which has something of the formality and dignity that good icons have, and one of even fewer which does not show the Christ-child as a generic, helpless babe.

Fun fact: The haloes on the Virgin and Child are not embossed gold leaf. They are painted in oils, as is the rest of the work.
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« Reply #2937 on: May 16, 2016, 04:39:10 AM »
I love William Bouguereau's paintings!

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« Reply #2938 on: May 16, 2016, 09:31:36 AM »
I do too- well, most of them. The guy had undeniable vision but was also shamelessly mercenary with his style.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2939 on: May 16, 2016, 10:44:03 AM »


Reminds me of a chip-and-dip platter.

I have a liturgical chip-and-dip platter story for another time and topic...
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2940 on: May 16, 2016, 10:47:20 AM »


Reminds me of a chip-and-dip platter.

I have a liturgical chip-and-dip platter story for another time and topic...




It actually looks rather like a Seder plate...
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2941 on: May 16, 2016, 04:22:27 PM »
I do too- well, most of them. The guy had undeniable vision but was also shamelessly mercenary with his style.

What do you mean?
Is that what they teach you at the temple volnutt-stein?

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2942 on: May 16, 2016, 04:35:40 PM »
I do too- well, most of them. The guy had undeniable vision but was also shamelessly mercenary with his style.

What do you mean?

Catering his style to whoever was paying the most.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2943 on: May 19, 2016, 05:51:35 PM »

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This is actually being sold in a Roman Catholic store labeled as a "Byzantine atelier".[/size]
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2944 on: May 19, 2016, 06:28:58 PM »
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« Reply #2945 on: May 23, 2016, 08:47:17 AM »
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« Reply #2946 on: May 23, 2016, 12:36:40 PM »
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2947 on: May 25, 2016, 09:02:46 PM »
St. John of Shanghai and San Francisco




Schlock on several levels:

1. A seriously tacky bit of 'shopping (was it really necessary, given the multitude of icons painted of St John?)

2. He's wearing glasses, an iconographic no-no (but what do you expect, given that this image is from a photograph?)

3. He's pointing to Tsar Nicholas as the way to salvation, a sure sign this picture was produced by tsarebozhniki, ultranationalists who regard the death of Tsar Nicholas II as a redemptive sacrifice for the Russian people, equal to the sacrifice of Christ for the salvation of humanity. Undeniable heresy.

4. He's wearing a blue mantiya which metropolitans wear in Russian tradition. St John's highest episcopal rank was of archbishop, so his mantle should be purple. Russian patriarchs wear a green mantle.

Out of curiosity, why is it wrong to depict a saint with glasses? I'm guessing that it has to do with glorification restoring the imperfections of the body?

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2948 on: May 25, 2016, 09:13:40 PM »
I realize this is not an Orthodox icon, but I still think it's quite beautiful.

"Our Lady of Ferguson and All Those Killed by Guns"


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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2949 on: May 25, 2016, 09:36:07 PM »
I realize this is not an Orthodox icon, but I still think it's quite beautiful.

"Our Lady of Ferguson and All Those Killed by Guns"


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*sigh* Why do people think this is necessary? If you want to honor martyrs, paint them as such, don't create this bizarre spin-off of our Lady of the Sign. 
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« Reply #2950 on: May 26, 2016, 04:06:27 PM »
That painting should be shot.
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« Reply #2951 on: May 27, 2016, 01:04:54 PM »
That painting should be shot.

She's beautiful.
It's the rest that should be......politics is worthy of despair.
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« Reply #2952 on: May 27, 2016, 01:53:26 PM »
That painting should be shot.

She's beautiful.
It's the rest that should be......politics is worthy of despair.

I argee. It looks beautiful. It's sad that it's been made for political reasons.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2953 on: June 04, 2016, 03:45:20 AM »
It was only a matter of time.



Feels good, man.
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« Reply #2954 on: June 04, 2016, 10:47:59 AM »
It was only a matter of time.



Feels good, man.

Would be nice to have a translation.
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« Reply #2955 on: June 04, 2016, 11:21:47 AM »
It is not a strange icon. I like this.
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« Reply #2956 on: June 04, 2016, 11:23:22 AM »
You're right, it's schlock.
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« Reply #2957 on: June 04, 2016, 11:27:43 AM »
It was only a matter of time.



Feels good, man.

Would be nice to have a translation.

It's from Matthew 11:

28 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.

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« Reply #2958 on: June 04, 2016, 11:29:10 AM »
It is not a strange icon. I like this.


It's not just strange, it's not suitable to be venerated. The artist painted it as a social and political statement, something that icons must never be.
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« Reply #2959 on: June 04, 2016, 11:45:20 AM »
It is not a strange icon. I like this.


It's not just strange, it's not suitable to be venerated. The artist painted it as a social and political statement, something that icons must never be.
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« Reply #2960 on: June 04, 2016, 12:06:37 PM »
Vain existence can never exist, for "unless the LORD builds the house, the builders labor in vain." (Psalm 127)

If the faith is unchanged and rock solid, then the gates of Hades never prevailed in the end.

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« Reply #2961 on: June 04, 2016, 12:07:24 PM »


Hate to correct a Schlok, but the cattle belongs where the humans are :P
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« Reply #2962 on: June 04, 2016, 12:09:22 PM »
Vain existence can never exist, for "unless the LORD builds the house, the builders labor in vain." (Psalm 127)

If the faith is unchanged and rock solid, then the gates of Hades never prevailed in the end.

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« Reply #2963 on: June 04, 2016, 12:43:05 PM »
It was only a matter of time.



Feels good, man.

Would be nice to have a translation.

It's from Matthew 11:

28 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.

This passage is very commonly used when Christ is holding an open Gospel book.

Hmmm. I would've figured the creator would change it. Maybe I'm giving them to much credit.
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« Reply #2964 on: June 04, 2016, 12:45:45 PM »
It is not a strange icon. I like this.


What's really interesting is the fact that the flag wasn't in the original. The image, called "Christ of Maryknoll," was about immigrants from Mexico.
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« Reply #2965 on: June 04, 2016, 12:55:36 PM »
Mexicans and Palestinians look the same.
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« Reply #2966 on: June 04, 2016, 01:05:32 PM »
Mexicans and Palestinians look the same.
Maybe some Mexicans has Palestinian (or generally speaking, Arab) roots.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2967 on: June 04, 2016, 02:39:46 PM »


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"Joshua Guirguis"...Coptic?

I love this one. Dorothy Day is officially being considered for canonization by the Roman Catholic Church (although I'm sure that would horrify her.)

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2968 on: June 04, 2016, 02:49:40 PM »
Ya, I'm not sure if this one is "icon".  It's more "art gallery" type, not intended for veneration practices.  It tells us a message, similar to the "icon" of the "non-saint" Origen teaching the saints.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2969 on: June 04, 2016, 03:01:09 PM »
Mexicans and Palestinians look the same.
Maybe some Mexicans has Palestinian (or generally speaking, Arab) roots.

Some do.  I don't know any Palestinians with Mexican roots, though.
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