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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2880 on: April 09, 2016, 10:39:48 AM »


Ugh. Bad enough that it's 'shopped, but it's such a baaad 'shop at that.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2881 on: April 09, 2016, 10:50:47 AM »
It was purposefully edited to accompany an internet post as an internet graphic and was not intended to be a physical and venerated copy.  Obviously, the merit of such action is up for debate, but the intention should be known.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2882 on: April 12, 2016, 05:53:30 AM »
I've posted similar icons (the type of lines) in "Strange icons" section, but I think this one os rather schlock - it's close to Catholic thinking of the Holy Family.

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2883 on: April 12, 2016, 12:30:03 PM »
I've posted similar icons (the type of lines) in "Strange icons" section, but I think this one os rather schlock - it's close to Catholic thinking of the Holy Family.



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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2884 on: April 12, 2016, 01:09:58 PM »
I've posted similar icons (the type of lines) in "Strange icons" section, but I think this one os rather schlock - it's close to Catholic thinking of the Holy Family.



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Well, I don't know about the Holy Family, but the Jesse Tree framing is of western medieval origin.

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2885 on: April 12, 2016, 01:41:39 PM »
I've posted similar icons (the type of lines) in "Strange icons" section, but I think this one os rather schlock - it's close to Catholic thinking of the Holy Family.



Joseph looks like he's in a shampoo comercial, Jesus looks like he's either floating or a cardboard cut out (no real person could be held like that), and Mary looks like this.


Not to mention the tiny Jesse that looks like he's in fear of being squashed.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2886 on: April 17, 2016, 07:27:24 AM »
I've posted similar icons (the type of lines) in "Strange icons" section, but I think this one os rather schlock - it's close to Catholic thinking of the Holy Family.



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Holy Family it's a Catholic term. It's aslo connected with different viewn on st. Josephs role (there is quite new thread about it).

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2887 on: April 17, 2016, 10:07:58 AM »
I really like the "Moscow the Third Rome" icon and see nothing wrong with it at all.

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2888 on: April 17, 2016, 10:20:29 AM »
I really like the "Moscow the Third Rome" icon and see nothing wrong with it at all.
The idea itself is wrong.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2889 on: April 17, 2016, 10:45:07 AM »
While I would not hold to it as a dogmatic position, I see nothing wrong with the idea as pious opinion or theologoumenon.  I can certainly understand and sympathize with those who developed the idea of Moscow as the Third Rome. As I understand history, Constantinople compromised with Rome right before its fall in 1453 and became Eastern Catholic.  Then it fell to the Turkish Muslims and returned to Orthodoxy. And while it did return to Orthodoxy, it was not free anymore and it was subject to harsh Turkish control and domination.  Moscow, at the time, was just coming into its own as far as growth and  political power in Russia.  Looking back on it now, I can certainly understand why pious Russian Orthodox people with a nationalist mentality could feel that Moscow was God's new anointed "Protector of Orthodoxy," even if that really wasn't the case. I can understand how a Russian version of the "Manifest Destiny" of the Moscow Patriarchate could develop in the minds of the Russian people.  Nearly every country in the world has a phase in its history at some point where some significant part of the people think that God has a special "covenant" with their nation to be a beacon and light to others on the Earth.  Nations such as Ancient Israel, the Byzantine Empire, Catholic Spain, the Holy Roman Empire beginning with Charlemagne, the British Empire, not to mention the United States of America, have all, at one time or another, viewed themselves as "God's Chosen Nation" when their nationalism got combined with their spirituality and religion.  Its a fairly common mistake many nations make when they confuse the Kingdom of Caesar with God's Kingdom.  That's how I view the "Moscow as the Third Rome" idea.  To many of the pious Russians of the time, that idea made sense.  That doesn't make it true or correct, but I can understand and respect how they arrived at that conclusion, and I will not judge them too harshly for it. Much of fundamentalist American Protestantism views the USA as the "Third Rome" although they would never use that term to describe it. President Reagan came very close to that viewpoint with all his talk of America as the "City set on a Hill" and a "Light" and "Beacon" to the rest of the world.

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2890 on: April 17, 2016, 11:17:57 AM »
I've posted similar icons (the type of lines) in "Strange icons" section, but I think this one os rather schlock - it's close to Catholic thinking of the Holy Family.



Ignorance IS bliss.
As I know nothing of art, I ignorantly like it.
A quick query: what makes it "Catholic"?
Holy Family it's a Catholic term. It's aslo connected with different viewn on st. Josephs role (there is quite new thread about it).

God rested on the 7th day.


Moscow the third Rome


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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2891 on: April 17, 2016, 12:31:12 PM »
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2892 on: April 17, 2016, 12:35:27 PM »
While I would not hold to it as a dogmatic position, I see nothing wrong with the idea as pious opinion or theologoumenon.  I can certainly understand and sympathize with those who developed the idea of Moscow as the Third Rome. As I understand history, Constantinople compromised with Rome right before its fall in 1453 and became Eastern Catholic.  Then it fell to the Turkish Muslims and returned to Orthodoxy. And while it did return to Orthodoxy, it was not free anymore and it was subject to harsh Turkish control and domination.  Moscow, at the time, was just coming into its own as far as growth and  political power in Russia.  Looking back on it now, I can certainly understand why pious Russian Orthodox people with a nationalist mentality could feel that Moscow was God's new anointed "Protector of Orthodoxy," even if that really wasn't the case. I can understand how a Russian version of the "Manifest Destiny" of the Moscow Patriarchate could develop in the minds of the Russian people.  Nearly every country in the world has a phase in its history at some point where some significant part of the people think that God has a special "covenant" with their nation to be a beacon and light to others on the Earth.  Nations such as Ancient Israel, the Byzantine Empire, Catholic Spain, the Holy Roman Empire beginning with Charlemagne, the British Empire, not to mention the United States of America, have all, at one time or another, viewed themselves as "God's Chosen Nation" when their nationalism got combined with their spirituality and religion.  Its a fairly common mistake many nations make when they confuse the Kingdom of Caesar with God's Kingdom.  That's how I view the "Moscow as the Third Rome" idea.  To many of the pious Russians of the time, that idea made sense.  That doesn't make it true or correct, but I can understand and respect how they arrived at that conclusion, and I will not judge them too harshly for it. Much of fundamentalist American Protestantism views the USA as the "Third Rome" although they would never use that term to describe it. President Reagan came very close to that viewpoint with all his talk of America as the "City set on a Hill" and a "Light" and "Beacon" to the rest of the world.

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I have highlighted for your convenience the reason why "Third Rome", or really any "Rome", should not be dignified even with the title "theologoumenon" or "pious opinion".
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2893 on: April 17, 2016, 12:50:37 PM »
Mor Ephrem:  I can also understand the distaste non-Russian Eastern European people might have who live in lands adjacent or close to Russia and who have experienced Russian rule or control at some point in their history.  I respect the struggles and efforts of such places as Finland, the Baltic states, Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania and others to rule themselves and not be subjugated  to outside rule by Russia or any other country. 
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2894 on: April 17, 2016, 11:47:07 PM »
Moscow as Third Rome appeals to me as well but I figure it fell long enough ago that that shouldn't matter. I would be inclined to acquire a copy of the image just for the sake of it if a whole third wasn't devoted to the "saintliness" of Ivan the Terrible. He was a fairly effective tsar, sure, but his sainthood is too bitter a pill to swallow.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2895 on: April 18, 2016, 03:00:56 PM »
The Third Rome theory assumes that there will be no Fourth; therefore, if "Third Rome" is fallen, the apocalypse is upon us. This is why the Old Believers were convinced that the new rite brought the reign of Antichrist. And if that didn't do it, the Russian Revolution should have. So the Third Rome idea should be buried. It was a terrible piece of parochial, chauvinist ideology which isolated the Russian church from the rest of Orthodoxy and subjugated it to worldly politics.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2896 on: April 18, 2016, 03:17:16 PM »
The Third Rome theory assumes that there will be no Fourth; therefore, if "Third Rome" is fallen, the apocalypse is upon us. This is why the Old Believers were convinced that the new rite brought the reign of Antichrist. And if that didn't do it, the Russian Revolution should have. So the Third Rome idea should be buried. It was a terrible piece of parochial, chauvinist ideology which isolated the Russian church from the rest of Orthodoxy and subjugated it to worldly politics.

I can kind of see how the logic of Third Rome is supposed to work, but I've never understood how "there can never be a Fourth" is supposed to follow on from it.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2897 on: April 22, 2016, 02:39:22 AM »
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2898 on: April 22, 2016, 08:05:07 AM »
St. John of Shanghai and San Francisco




Schlock on several levels:

1. A seriously tacky bit of 'shopping (was it really necessary, given the multitude of icons painted of St John?)

2. He's wearing glasses, an iconographic no-no (but what do you expect, given that this image is from a photograph?)

3. He's pointing to Tsar Nicholas as the way to salvation, a sure sign this picture was produced by tsarebozhniki, ultranationalists who regard the death of Tsar Nicholas II as a redemptive sacrifice for the Russian people, equal to the sacrifice of Christ for the salvation of humanity. Undeniable heresy.

4. He's wearing a blue mantiya which metropolitans wear in Russian tradition. St John's highest episcopal rank was of archbishop, so his mantle should be purple. Russian patriarchs wear a green mantle.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2899 on: April 22, 2016, 09:11:50 AM »
  wearing glasses, an iconographic no-no

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2900 on: April 22, 2016, 09:16:36 AM »
  wearing glasses, an iconographic no-no

Fabricating rules is fun.

I'll take that as a compliment.  ;)
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2901 on: April 22, 2016, 10:55:00 AM »
  wearing glasses, an iconographic no-no

Fabricating rules is fun.

I'll take that as a compliment.  ;)

Why is that a rule though? Are glasses some sort of an unholy abomination? If so, I better start wearing contacts.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2902 on: April 22, 2016, 12:17:46 PM »
St. John of Shanghai and San Francisco




Schlock on several levels:

1. A seriously tacky bit of 'shopping (was it really necessary, given the multitude of icons painted of St John?)

2. He's wearing glasses, an iconographic no-no (but what do you expect, given that this image is from a photograph?)

3. He's pointing to Tsar Nicholas as the way to salvation, a sure sign this picture was produced by tsarebozhniki, ultranationalists who regard the death of Tsar Nicholas II as a redemptive sacrifice for the Russian people, equal to the sacrifice of Christ for the salvation of humanity. Undeniable heresy.

4. He's wearing a blue mantiya which metropolitans wear in Russian tradition. St John's highest episcopal rank was of archbishop, so his mantle should be purple. Russian patriarchs wear a green mantle.
Also, he's not completely facing us.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2903 on: April 22, 2016, 12:18:40 PM »
  wearing glasses, an iconographic no-no

Fabricating rules is fun.

I'll take that as a compliment.  ;)

Why is that a rule though? Are glasses some sort of an unholy abomination? If so, I better start wearing contacts.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2904 on: April 22, 2016, 12:39:34 PM »
So, does that mean in the kingdom, Saint Mary of Egypt looks like an emaciated crone, Seraphim of Sarov is hunched over, and John the Baptist carries his head around?
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« Reply #2905 on: April 22, 2016, 12:40:03 PM »
I thought that angle of his head was pretty weird.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2906 on: April 22, 2016, 12:46:06 PM »
So, does that mean in the kingdom, Saint Mary of Egypt looks like an emaciated crone,
Have you been able to confirm that she's fat now?

Seraphim of Sarov is hunched over,
Have you been able to confirm that St. Seraphim is no longer hunched over?

and John the Baptist carries his head around?
Did St. John the Baptist ever carry his head around?
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2907 on: April 22, 2016, 12:50:18 PM »
So, does that mean in the kingdom, Saint Mary of Egypt looks like an emaciated crone,
Have you been able to confirm that she's fat now?

Seraphim of Sarov is hunched over,
Have you been able to confirm that St. Seraphim is no longer hunched over?

and John the Baptist carries his head around?
Did St. John the Baptist ever carry his head around?

Have you been able to confirm that St John Maximovitch has 20/20 vision now? 
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2908 on: April 22, 2016, 12:54:04 PM »
So, does that mean in the kingdom, Saint Mary of Egypt looks like an emaciated crone,
Have you been able to confirm that she's fat now?

Seraphim of Sarov is hunched over,
Have you been able to confirm that St. Seraphim is no longer hunched over?

and John the Baptist carries his head around?
Did St. John the Baptist ever carry his head around?

Have you been able to confirm that St John Maximovitch has 20/20 vision now?
I imagine his vision is better than yours.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2909 on: April 22, 2016, 01:11:07 PM »
St. John of Shanghai and San Francisco




Schlock on several levels:

1. A seriously tacky bit of 'shopping (was it really necessary, given the multitude of icons painted of St John?)

2. He's wearing glasses, an iconographic no-no (but what do you expect, given that this image is from a photograph?)

3. He's pointing to Tsar Nicholas as the way to salvation, a sure sign this picture was produced by tsarebozhniki, ultranationalists who regard the death of Tsar Nicholas II as a redemptive sacrifice for the Russian people, equal to the sacrifice of Christ for the salvation of humanity. Undeniable heresy.

4. He's wearing a blue mantiya which metropolitans wear in Russian tradition. St John's highest episcopal rank was of archbishop, so his mantle should be purple. Russian patriarchs wear a green mantle.
Also, he's not completely facing us.

His hands are grotesque-looking. Blargh!
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2910 on: April 22, 2016, 01:14:08 PM »
So, does that mean in the kingdom, Saint Mary of Egypt looks like an emaciated crone,
Have you been able to confirm that she's fat now?

Seraphim of Sarov is hunched over,
Have you been able to confirm that St. Seraphim is no longer hunched over?

and John the Baptist carries his head around?
Did St. John the Baptist ever carry his head around?

Have you been able to confirm that St John Maximovitch has 20/20 vision now?
I imagine his vision is better than yours.

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2911 on: April 22, 2016, 01:17:14 PM »
So, does that mean in the kingdom, Saint Mary of Egypt looks like an emaciated crone,
Have you been able to confirm that she's fat now?

Seraphim of Sarov is hunched over,
Have you been able to confirm that St. Seraphim is no longer hunched over?

and John the Baptist carries his head around?
Did St. John the Baptist ever carry his head around?

Have you been able to confirm that St John Maximovitch has 20/20 vision now?
I imagine his vision is better than yours.

So you concede the futility of your line of questioning.  Good. 
Please don't project meta-debates onto me.

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2912 on: April 22, 2016, 01:19:00 PM »
So, does that mean in the kingdom, Saint Mary of Egypt looks like an emaciated crone,
Have you been able to confirm that she's fat now?

Seraphim of Sarov is hunched over,
Have you been able to confirm that St. Seraphim is no longer hunched over?

and John the Baptist carries his head around?
Did St. John the Baptist ever carry his head around?

Have you been able to confirm that St John Maximovitch has 20/20 vision now?
I imagine his vision is better than yours.

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2913 on: April 22, 2016, 01:23:48 PM »
So, does that mean in the kingdom, Saint Mary of Egypt looks like an emaciated crone,
Have you been able to confirm that she's fat now?

Seraphim of Sarov is hunched over,
Have you been able to confirm that St. Seraphim is no longer hunched over?

and John the Baptist carries his head around?
Did St. John the Baptist ever carry his head around?

Have you been able to confirm that St John Maximovitch has 20/20 vision now?
I imagine his vision is better than yours.


I suspect (yes, is Outrage) that his vision was ALWAYS better than any of ours.....
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2914 on: April 22, 2016, 01:25:28 PM »
So he didn't need the glasses, huh? Now you're accusing St John of being a hipster.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2915 on: April 22, 2016, 01:28:52 PM »
So he didn't need the glasses, huh? Now you're accusing St John of being a hipster.


there is vision...and there is vision.....;)

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2916 on: April 22, 2016, 03:41:39 PM »

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2917 on: April 22, 2016, 06:04:30 PM »
So, does that mean in the kingdom, Saint Mary of Egypt looks like an emaciated crone,
Have you been able to confirm that she's fat now?

Seraphim of Sarov is hunched over,
Have you been able to confirm that St. Seraphim is no longer hunched over?

and John the Baptist carries his head around?
Did St. John the Baptist ever carry his head around?

Have you been able to confirm that St John Maximovitch has 20/20 vision now?
I imagine his vision is better than yours.

So you concede the futility of your line of questioning.  Good.
Seems to me like you're the one initiating the questions around here. ;)
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2918 on: April 22, 2016, 06:17:29 PM »


At least those are in better taste than the one of James Holmes I once saw.

(There were apparently a lot of people, mostly young women, who idolized Holmes and made fanart dedicated to him).
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2919 on: April 22, 2016, 06:18:34 PM »
So he didn't need the glasses, huh? Now you're accusing St John of being a hipster.

there is vision...and there is vision.....;)

Uncreated-light-vision glasses?
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2920 on: April 22, 2016, 06:21:42 PM »
So he didn't need the glasses, huh? Now you're accusing St John of being a hipster.

there is vision...and there is vision..... ;)

Uncreated-light-vision glasses?
I want one of those. Maybe if I ask the bishop to bless my spectacles?
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2921 on: April 22, 2016, 06:41:35 PM »
So, does that mean in the kingdom, Saint Mary of Egypt looks like an emaciated crone,
Have you been able to confirm that she's fat now?

Seraphim of Sarov is hunched over,
Have you been able to confirm that St. Seraphim is no longer hunched over?

and John the Baptist carries his head around?
Did St. John the Baptist ever carry his head around?

Have you been able to confirm that St John Maximovitch has 20/20 vision now?
I imagine his vision is better than yours.

So you concede the futility of your line of questioning.  Good.
Seems to me like you're the one initiating the questions around here. ;)

You have a strange definition of "initiate".
Please don't project meta-debates onto me.

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2922 on: April 28, 2016, 04:11:30 PM »
So I got this one from a friend...



Is there a legitimate use for it?
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2923 on: April 28, 2016, 05:11:54 PM »
So I got this one from a friend...



Is there a legitimate use for it?

IMO, yes. The homosexual subtext is just that, subtext and mostly up to interpretation. However, others, most famous LBK have denounced it as being gay propaganda. I'm not quite sure what makes this icon different from icons of Sts. Cosmas and Damien, other than the less than orthodox iconographer. To me. It's the image that matters, not the one who made it. After all, we don't really know who made most of the icons from before the 20th century. Who's to say some of them weren't just as heterodox as Br. Lentz?
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2924 on: April 28, 2016, 05:39:58 PM »
Is Jonathan celebrated as a saint in the Orthodox Church?
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