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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2790 on: February 22, 2016, 02:55:12 PM »


This looks like an Emerson, Lake & Palmer album cover.

All three of them look like deer caught in the headlights.
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« Reply #2791 on: February 22, 2016, 04:33:08 PM »



Well, thank goodness Sophianism was officially repudiated.

They're also making the Spirit proceed from both "Son and Father" - but who are up in the right and left corners?

Archangels, maybe?

The whole thing looks like a mess.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2792 on: February 22, 2016, 10:00:08 PM »
The one on the right kind of looks like a rip-off of William Blake's Newton. Which is odd if true because for Blake, Newton was pretty much the devil.

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2793 on: February 22, 2016, 10:19:40 PM »
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2794 on: February 22, 2016, 10:33:07 PM »


Maybe that should be Young Penitent's next album cover.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2795 on: March 04, 2016, 04:13:00 AM »
It's done according to the vision of st. Bernard of Clairvaux (born shortly after the Great Schism). I see a difference with Orthodox icon of the Bridegroom, I mean that at first I 've seen this, I thought something is wrong. Then I read about strange (and not encouraging to do ascetic practices etc.) RC devotions that appears after the "visions" (if somebody every day says 3 "Our Father" and 3 "Hail Mary" to honour this wound on the shoulder made by the cross, they will not die in an accident and their venial sins will be forgiven).

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2796 on: March 04, 2016, 06:02:40 AM »
As well as the problems Dominika raised, those eyes are just creepy.
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« Reply #2797 on: March 04, 2016, 10:02:05 AM »
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2798 on: March 06, 2016, 06:21:40 AM »
Saw something today which seemed to be like Our Lady reading a book. Maybe Our Lady is the patroness of egalitarianism.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2799 on: March 06, 2016, 05:08:49 PM »


I think this was done by a former poster here as a project with her children (or something like that). I could be wrong. LBK would know.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2800 on: March 06, 2016, 05:13:13 PM »


I think this was done by a former poster here as a project with her children (or something like that). I could be wrong. LBK would know.

It's not hard to find icons to buy that look much like that one.
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« Reply #2801 on: March 06, 2016, 06:12:32 PM »
Saw something today which seemed to be like Our Lady reading a book. Maybe Our Lady is the patroness of egalitarianism.
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« Reply #2802 on: March 06, 2016, 06:32:02 PM »
Saw something today which seemed to be like Our Lady reading a book. Maybe Our Lady is the patroness of egalitarianism.

Was it the Kaluga icon?
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2803 on: March 06, 2016, 06:41:01 PM »
Saw something today which seemed to be like Our Lady reading a book. Maybe Our Lady is the patroness of egalitarianism.

Was it the Kaluga icon?

This is the Kaluga icon, for reference.

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2804 on: March 06, 2016, 06:43:26 PM »
Apparently yes. Never seen that kind of icon before. Not sure if schlock but I thought Saints are supposed to look at you or Christ in icons instead of just doing something seemingly random errands.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2805 on: March 06, 2016, 11:02:38 PM »


I think this was done by a former poster here as a project with her children (or something like that). I could be wrong. LBK would know.

It's not hard to find icons to buy that look much like that one.

I think the issue was all of the glittery moving stuff in the background.  This is similar but I am not sure if it is the same.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2806 on: March 06, 2016, 11:15:57 PM »


I think this was done by a former poster here as a project with her children (or something like that). I could be wrong. LBK would know.

It's not hard to find icons to buy that look much like that one.

I think the issue was all of the glittery moving stuff in the background.  This is similar but I am not sure if it is the same.

I was talking about glittery as well. Obviously it's not moving on real icons but the level of bling is pretty similar.

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2807 on: March 07, 2016, 12:36:14 AM »


I think this was done by a former poster here as a project with her children (or something like that). I could be wrong. LBK would know.

It's not hard to find icons to buy that look much like that one.

I think the issue was all of the glittery moving stuff in the background.  This is similar but I am not sure if it is the same.

I was talking about glittery as well. Obviously it's not moving on real icons but the level of bling is pretty similar.



Eh, that also is pretty schocky. Icons just don't need any embellishing beyond gold-leaf.
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« Reply #2808 on: March 07, 2016, 03:23:00 PM »
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2809 on: March 07, 2016, 03:52:24 PM »

It looks unfinished. It would be best if it stayed that way.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2810 on: March 07, 2016, 05:43:27 PM »



Eh, that also is pretty schocky. Icons just don't need any embellishing beyond gold-leaf.

Overdone, yes, but not schlock.

It's also worth remembering that there is a very long tradition of embroidered and beaded icons for use in vestments, banners, plashchanitsi/epitaphioi and the like. But usually they're not as overloaded as this icon.
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« Reply #2811 on: March 07, 2016, 05:49:05 PM »


Ugh. One of the favorite compositions of devotees of the Prosopon School.

It looks unfinished. It would be best if it stayed that way.

It would be best if it were painted over with something that actually expresses proper Orthodox teaching.  :P
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« Reply #2812 on: March 07, 2016, 06:14:40 PM »


Ugh. One of the favorite compositions of devotees of the Prosopon School.

It looks unfinished. It would be best if it stayed that way.

It would be best if it were painted over with something that actually expresses proper Orthodox teaching.  :P

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« Reply #2813 on: March 10, 2016, 07:49:04 PM »
This is a very odd variant of the uncanonical New Testament Trinity icon, which I find very interesting.

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2814 on: March 11, 2016, 12:51:49 PM »
^^ Indeed, it's interesting, I've never such type of "icon". I can't understand why the Holy Spirit is the most close to the cross, and the symbols of 4 evangelists are below not only the Son, but Father too.

And I have no idea what's on the table? It looks like binoculars plus a letter ;)
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« Reply #2815 on: March 23, 2016, 01:09:08 PM »

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« Reply #2816 on: March 23, 2016, 01:39:23 PM »
^^ Indeed, it's interesting, I've never such type of "icon". I can't understand why the Holy Spirit is the most close to the cross, and the symbols of 4 evangelists are below not only the Son, but Father too.
And I have no idea what's on the table? It looks like binoculars plus a letter ;)

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« Reply #2817 on: March 25, 2016, 11:06:22 AM »
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« Reply #2818 on: March 25, 2016, 11:12:46 AM »
What's the second one supposed to be? It looks like the Mystical Supper but Christ has been replaced by His Mother and her betrothed. His IC XC 'identifier' is still there though.
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« Reply #2819 on: March 25, 2016, 03:00:18 PM »
Also, why is it Chanukah?
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« Reply #2820 on: March 25, 2016, 03:26:48 PM »
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« Reply #2821 on: March 25, 2016, 03:54:44 PM »
Also, why is it Chanukah?


Its not.


The candles are arranged in a candelabrum called a menorah (or sometimes called a chanukkiah) that holds nine candles: one for each night, plus a shammus (servant) at a different height.


The one in the icon has 7 total.
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« Reply #2822 on: March 25, 2016, 04:21:35 PM »
Also, why is it Chanukah?


Its not.


The candles are arranged in a candelabrum called a menorah (or sometimes called a chanukkiah) that holds nine candles: one for each night, plus a shammus (servant) at a different height.


The one in the icon has 7 total.

In the United States, candle holders with 7 candles are most commonly associated with Kwanzaa rather than Chanukah. (However, Kwanzaa candles are always colored; three red, three green and one black, which is not the case in this picture either).

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« Reply #2823 on: March 25, 2016, 05:16:15 PM »
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I actually really like the first one, even if it's uncanonical. The second one looses brownie point for having the Holy Spirit appear as a dove. :P
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« Reply #2824 on: March 26, 2016, 02:05:37 AM »
Hi :)
My understanding is that icons like this aren't suitable for veneration? The Theotokos is depicted without her headcovering. Is that right?

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« Reply #2825 on: March 26, 2016, 02:08:45 AM »
Hi :)
My understanding is that icons like this aren't suitable for veneration? The Theotokos is depicted without her headcovering. Is that right?


The lack of headcovering is just one of the serious flaws this image has which make it unsuitable for veneration.
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« Reply #2826 on: March 26, 2016, 02:22:27 AM »
Hi :)
My understanding is that icons like this aren't suitable for veneration? The Theotokos is depicted without her headcovering. Is that right?


The lack of headcovering is just one of the serious flaws this image has which make it unsuitable for veneration.

What are some of the others? (Please forgive my ignorance...)
The way the Theotokos is holding her hands?

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« Reply #2827 on: March 26, 2016, 04:20:20 AM »
Hi :)
My understanding is that icons like this aren't suitable for veneration? The Theotokos is depicted without her headcovering. Is that right?


The lack of headcovering is just one of the serious flaws this image has which make it unsuitable for veneration.

What are some of the others? (Please forgive my ignorance...)
The way the Theotokos is holding her hands?

The lack of stars of ever-virginity on the shoulders and forehead of the Mother of God. Her ever-virginity is a dogmatic teaching and  truth.

The way she is holding her hands - in a composition like this, she should be pointing to Christ with one hand, showing Him to be the way to salvation.

The lack of a cross made up of nine lines within Christ's halo.

The overly sentimental, naturalistic painting style.

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« Reply #2828 on: March 26, 2016, 04:39:11 AM »
Hi :)
My understanding is that icons like this aren't suitable for veneration? The Theotokos is depicted without her headcovering. Is that right?


The lack of headcovering is just one of the serious flaws this image has which make it unsuitable for veneration.

What are some of the others? (Please forgive my ignorance...)
The way the Theotokos is holding her hands?

The lack of stars of ever-virginity on the shoulders and forehead of the Mother of God. Her ever-virginity is a dogmatic teaching and  truth.

The way she is holding her hands - in a composition like this, she should be pointing to Christ with one hand, showing Him to be the way to salvation.

The lack of a cross made up of nine lines within Christ's halo.

The overly sentimental, naturalistic painting style.

Ohh, of course, the stars! Should have noticed that...
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« Reply #2829 on: March 26, 2016, 09:08:05 AM »
Hi :)
My understanding is that icons like this aren't suitable for veneration? The Theotokos is depicted without her headcovering. Is that right?


The lack of headcovering is just one of the serious flaws this image has which make it unsuitable for veneration.

Can you tell what the script is? Russian, Georgian....?
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« Reply #2830 on: March 26, 2016, 10:17:01 AM »
Hi :)
My understanding is that icons like this aren't suitable for veneration? The Theotokos is depicted without her headcovering. Is that right?


The lack of headcovering is just one of the serious flaws this image has which make it unsuitable for veneration.

Can you tell what the script is? Russian, Georgian....?
Church Slavonic.
I think I haven't seen any icon with Russian inscription.
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« Reply #2831 on: March 26, 2016, 10:35:10 AM »
Hi :)
My understanding is that icons like this aren't suitable for veneration? The Theotokos is depicted without her headcovering. Is that right?


The lack of headcovering is just one of the serious flaws this image has which make it unsuitable for veneration.

Can you tell what the script is? Russian, Georgian....?
Church Slavonic.
I think I haven't seen any icon with Russian inscription.

Of course! Thank you, Dominika.
I have to wonder if it was made by Eastern Catholics. Or simply an enjoyable painting. I gather it was the latter. The division saddens me, that something so beautiful and for which it stands would not be venerated. Might be a touch of a melancholy mood or a rebellion that others tell me what is Holy and not so.
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The last one wouldn't be bad if it didn't add the Lord Sabaoth figure.
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