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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2655 on: August 27, 2015, 03:28:55 PM »
Man, now I want to go to heaven!!

You realize their Egyptian males, right?  They basically look like this, sans the lounge lizard suit:



If you go to that Heaven, say what's up to Liberace for me.

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2656 on: August 27, 2015, 04:14:29 PM »
Yea or nay?



This was digitally animated, so I'm inclined to say the latter. As artwork per se, I find it to be quite nice if not a bit cartoonish.

It's funny to see a blue-eyed Christ surrounded by dark-eyed Coptic bishops.  The old inferiority complex on full display, like in those cheesy "lives of the saints" movies where the angels always have blonde pornstar pompadour wigs and white woman foundation makeup on.  Freaky-deaky, baby bubba.

My first assignment out of seminary was at an Antiochian cathedral with mosaic icons in the iconostasis.  I mentioned to the Dean that the face of Christ looked odd, and he replied that the parishioners had painted the face 'darker' because he looked too White.  Needless to say, paint does not adhere to glass very well, and he was looking a bit blotchy 30 years later.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2657 on: August 27, 2015, 04:19:42 PM »
Yea or nay?



This was digitally animated, so I'm inclined to say the latter. As artwork per se, I find it to be quite nice if not a bit cartoonish.

It's funny to see a blue-eyed Christ surrounded by dark-eyed Coptic bishops.  The old inferiority complex on full display, like in those cheesy "lives of the saints" movies where the angels always have blonde pornstar pompadour wigs and white woman foundation makeup on.  Freaky-deaky, baby bubba.

My first assignment out of seminary was at an Antiochian cathedral with mosaic icons in the iconostasis.  I mentioned to the Dean that the face of Christ looked odd, and he replied that the parishioners had painted the face 'darker' because he looked too White.  Needless to say, paint does not adhere to glass very well, and he was looking a bit blotchy 30 years later.

Probably about as blotchy as the "white-from-the-neck-up" Coptic actors in blonde wigs playing angels in those movies.  Anyway, sounds like your first assignment was in an awesome parish!  ;D
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2658 on: August 27, 2015, 04:22:42 PM »
That picture must be an icon from the Kawaii Orthodox Church.

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2659 on: September 10, 2015, 07:02:25 PM »
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2660 on: September 10, 2015, 07:21:46 PM »
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NICE!

It's a Sinbad movie conveniently packed into one image.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2661 on: September 10, 2015, 09:27:15 PM »
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Did people know about polar bears back then?

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2662 on: September 10, 2015, 10:04:38 PM »
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Did people know about polar bears back then?

Depends if there were human settlements in the Arctic circle that far back.

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2663 on: September 10, 2015, 10:13:55 PM »
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Did people know about polar bears back then?

Depends if there were human settlements in the Arctic circle that far back.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_bear#/media/File:Polar_bear_range_map.png

Well there are some in Siberia. I don't remember too much about the Old Testament figures. Perhaps Daniel may have heard tales of white bears from traders.

Or the most likely scenario: the iconographer put random animals on there he thought looked weird...the face-horn may confirm this.


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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2664 on: September 11, 2015, 12:22:02 AM »
From the artist's deviantart profile of the image:

http://logicon.deviantart.com/art/THE-VISION-OF-PROPHET-DANIEL-158085002

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Historical Confirmation of Daniel's Chapter 7

In 7th chapter of prophet Daniel we again see the four world kingdoms or empires, that we saw previously.
The lioness, the bear, the leopard and the beast with
ten horns symbolize respectively the Chaldean, the Persian,
the Greek and the global empire.
The additional information that we take is that the third empire, Greek, it will be presented with four forms, as leopard that symbolize Greek empire has four heads.
The first head symbolizes the Macedonian empire.
Second the Seleucid empire.
Third the Ptolemaic empire.
And fourth Roman empire.
(The kingdom of Rome from his birth included the Greek element and at the enlargement got the existing Greeks and Hellenistic kingdoms and final via Pax Romana was carried out the absolute world Hellenization, more rapidly and more faithfully from that if this was continued by Hellenistic kingdoms.
Afterwards from this segregation of Greek empire in four individual empires, we conclude that the world empires which will be presented in the earth are seven. We learn also that the last empire, which set up now via the expansion of European Union, will be established by ten kings that are symbolized with the ten horns. These are the owners of planet that will result in the end of privatisations, attachments and economic fusions. In the maximum throne will seat an other king that is symbolized with the horn that get eyes and mouth. He will dethrone three from the ten kings and it will control for 3,5 years destroying the planet and the humanity., then will come the hour of crisis that will eliminate the earthly kingdoms and will bring the eternal kingdom.

A polar bear would have been the most fantastical bear possible for Daniel.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2665 on: September 11, 2015, 12:26:28 AM »
The artist who painted the image above also has made sociopolitical political commentary on other images they have produced. This is completely against what iconographers and icons should stand for. A great shame that a person with obvious artistic talent chooses to squander it in this way.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2666 on: September 11, 2015, 08:16:49 AM »
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Some elements are traditional and some (especially the God-Father) not, and actually the theme of the icon is not canonical, am I right?
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2667 on: September 11, 2015, 08:19:12 AM »
I like it!
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« Reply #2668 on: September 11, 2015, 10:23:35 AM »
From the artist's deviantart profile of the image:

http://logicon.deviantart.com/art/THE-VISION-OF-PROPHET-DANIEL-158085002

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Historical Confirmation of Daniel's Chapter 7

In 7th chapter of prophet Daniel we again see the four world kingdoms or empires, that we saw previously.
The lioness, the bear, the leopard and the beast with ten horns symbolize respectively the Chaldean, the Persian, the Greek and the global empire.[snip]

A polar bear would have been the most fantastical bear possible for Daniel.

When I think about fantastical Persian bears, I think of koala bears, not polar bears.
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« Reply #2669 on: September 11, 2015, 12:07:48 PM »
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« Reply #2670 on: September 11, 2015, 01:23:11 PM »
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Some elements are traditional and some (especially the God-Father) not, and actually the theme of the icon is not canonical, am I right?

Reminds me of Dante  :)
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« Reply #2672 on: September 12, 2015, 04:52:43 PM »
Wow.  :o
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« Reply #2673 on: September 12, 2015, 05:56:42 PM »



Byzantine Mandalas...

Let me guess, a Catholic who spent a lot of time in a Buddhist monastery...
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« Reply #2674 on: September 12, 2015, 08:51:10 PM »



Byzantine Mandalas...

Let me guess, a Catholic who spent a lot of time in a Buddhist monastery...


"Forms which are evocative of mandalas are prevalent in Christianity: the celtic cross; the rosary; the halo; the aureole; oculi; the Crown of Thorns; rose windows; the Rosy Cross; and the dromenon on the floor of Chartres Cathedral. The dromenon represents a journey from the outer world to the inner sacred centre where the Divine is found."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandala

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« Reply #2675 on: September 13, 2015, 12:14:18 AM »
I knew a Catholic Freemason that probably would have loved the "G" painting.  Maybe get a square and compass in there too.
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« Reply #2676 on: September 13, 2015, 12:35:21 AM »
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Did he know how contradictory that is?

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« Reply #2677 on: September 13, 2015, 12:42:23 AM »
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Did he know how contradictory that is?

He didn't care.  Neither did his priest.  He attended Mass every Sunday.
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« Reply #2678 on: September 13, 2015, 08:23:05 AM »



I wouldn't put it past the so-called Prosopon School to want to paint schlock like this. The Andreyevs have already painted plenty of other pseudo-icons of metaphysical silliness.  :P
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« Reply #2679 on: September 13, 2015, 09:10:08 AM »
I am more boggled that Nephi posted and no one said



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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2681 on: September 13, 2015, 03:45:51 PM »


I'm wondering if this Icon of St. Philopater Mercurius slaying Julian the Apostate is canonical from the EO POV.
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« Reply #2682 on: September 13, 2015, 05:23:56 PM »



I wouldn't put it past the so-called Prosopon School to want to paint schlock like this. The Andreyevs have already painted plenty of other pseudo-icons of metaphysical silliness.  :P
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« Reply #2683 on: September 13, 2015, 05:24:36 PM »


I'm wondering if this Icon of St. Philopater Mercurius slaying Julian the Apostate is canonical from the EO POV.

There are very few actual canons governing icons in EO, and I don't think this one violates any of them.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2684 on: September 13, 2015, 05:46:01 PM »
Catholic Freemason

Did he know how contradictory that is?

He didn't care.  Neither did his priest.  He attended Mass every Sunday.
There is also a widespread misconception that the ban on Catholic membership in Freemasonry ended after Vatican II. He and his priest may genuinely have been unaware, though I doubt they were motivated to research the subject.
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« Reply #2685 on: September 13, 2015, 06:06:57 PM »



Byzantine Mandalas...

Let me guess, a Catholic who spent a lot of time in a Buddhist monastery...


"Forms which are evocative of mandalas are prevalent in Christianity: the celtic cross; the rosary; the halo; the aureole; oculi; the Crown of Thorns; rose windows; the Rosy Cross; and the dromenon on the floor of Chartres Cathedral. The dromenon represents a journey from the outer world to the inner sacred centre where the Divine is found."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandala

The dreamy musing of some absinthe-addled Wikipedia editor hardly constitute a canonical pronouncement of the Church.  In short, no mandalas in the Church.  Period.
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Byzantine Mandalas...

Let me guess, a Catholic who spent a lot of time in a Buddhist monastery...


"Forms which are evocative of mandalas are prevalent in Christianity: the celtic cross; the rosary; the halo; the aureole; oculi; the Crown of Thorns; rose windows; the Rosy Cross; and the dromenon on the floor of Chartres Cathedral. The dromenon represents a journey from the outer world to the inner sacred centre where the Divine is found."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandala

The dreamy musing of some absinthe-addled Wikipedia editor hardly constitute a canonical pronouncement of the Church.  In short, no mandalas in the Church.  Period.

Except for All of Creation Rejoices in Thee, All Saints, etc.
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« Reply #2687 on: September 13, 2015, 07:40:16 PM »

This is the link at the bottom of the image:

http://holybrush.com/

Oh, I know these weren't painted by the Andreyevs or their ilk, their painting style is quite different, but the compositions and subject matter are right up their alley.
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« Reply #2688 on: September 13, 2015, 07:57:34 PM »
Catholic Freemason

Did he know how contradictory that is?

He didn't care.  Neither did his priest.  He attended Mass every Sunday.
There is also a widespread misconception that the ban on Catholic membership in Freemasonry ended after Vatican II. He and his priest may genuinely have been unaware, though I doubt they were motivated to research the subject.

I don't know about his priest, but he did say that the Knights of Columbus dress like homos.
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Byzantine Mandalas...

Let me guess, a Catholic who spent a lot of time in a Buddhist monastery...


"Forms which are evocative of mandalas are prevalent in Christianity: the celtic cross; the rosary; the halo; the aureole; oculi; the Crown of Thorns; rose windows; the Rosy Cross; and the dromenon on the floor of Chartres Cathedral. The dromenon represents a journey from the outer world to the inner sacred centre where the Divine is found."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandala

The dreamy musing of some absinthe-addled Wikipedia editor hardly constitute a canonical pronouncement of the Church.  In short, no mandalas in the Church.  Period.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/73/Marsh-chapel-window.jpg/1024px-Marsh-chapel-window.jpg

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« Reply #2690 on: September 14, 2015, 03:32:06 AM »
First, they're not in the Church. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsh_Chapel_Experiment

Second, so if it's round, it's a mandala?  Is that what it comes down to?
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« Reply #2691 on: September 14, 2015, 11:04:15 AM »
First, they're not in the Church. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsh_Chapel_Experiment

Second, so if it's round, it's a mandala?  Is that what it comes down to?

No, the overuse of patterns.  Many mandalas are based on a square.
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« Reply #2692 on: September 14, 2015, 02:10:52 PM »
First, they're not in the Church. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsh_Chapel_Experiment

Second, so if it's round, it's a mandala?  Is that what it comes down to?

No, the overuse of patterns.  Many mandalas are based on a square.

Ok.  Then I don't think the Marsh Chapel stained glass would even count.
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« Reply #2693 on: September 17, 2015, 07:20:17 PM »
Take a look at this



Note the unicorns directly underneath "God the Father"
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« Reply #2694 on: September 17, 2015, 07:22:41 PM »
Take a look at this



Note the unicorns directly underneath "God the Father"

I don't think it's impossible to claim a unicorn-like species (a one-horned antelope? a horse with a protusion on its head?) was around in extremely small population and went extinct in medieval times.

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2695 on: September 17, 2015, 08:49:56 PM »
Take a look at this



Note the unicorns directly underneath "God the Father"

I don't think it's impossible to claim a unicorn-like species (a one-horned antelope? a horse with a protusion on its head?) was around in extremely small population and went extinct in medieval times.

I suppose it's not impossible, but it's not for certain. Iconography are only suppose to create icons that are based on real and historical people and events, subjects we are assured are real. That's why another major problem with this image with the image of God the Father as an old and bearded man. No one has ever seen God the Father, so we can't depict Him in our iconography.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2696 on: September 17, 2015, 08:58:13 PM »



I wouldn't put it past the so-called Prosopon School to want to paint schlock like this. The Andreyevs have already painted plenty of other pseudo-icons of metaphysical silliness.  :P
This is the link at the bottom of the image:

http://holybrush.com/

On the website, they call those "traditional." The icons they identify as modern look like the one a ten year old girl would create.



So many flowers...
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2697 on: October 05, 2015, 02:00:50 PM »
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2698 on: October 05, 2015, 06:23:57 PM »


As a  RC, I feel partially responsible for this atrocity. Forgive me.
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« Reply #2699 on: October 05, 2015, 06:53:53 PM »