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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2610 on: May 19, 2015, 08:45:21 PM »
Cool.  How many Prophet Mohammed (PBUH SWT, etc.) drawings?

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« Reply #2611 on: May 19, 2015, 10:03:54 PM »
Cool.  How many Prophet Mohammed (PBUH SWT, etc.) drawings?


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« Reply #2613 on: May 19, 2015, 10:05:03 PM »
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« Reply #2615 on: May 19, 2015, 10:06:03 PM »
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2616 on: May 19, 2015, 10:08:49 PM »
Not really an "icon", but funny.






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« Reply #2617 on: May 19, 2015, 10:58:08 PM »
Not really an "icon", but funny.







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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2618 on: May 19, 2015, 11:19:43 PM »
Not really an "icon", but funny.







Not icons at all. Not Christian.

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2619 on: May 19, 2015, 11:43:42 PM »
Did you misread the title of the thread?
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2620 on: May 30, 2015, 01:27:34 AM »


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“I’m not attaching any significance to it,” says [Sergey] Dyomin, an atheist . “I’m not striving to offend anyone. I simply like the icon style – it’s very beautiful, with its rich colours and the static figures.”
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/01/lativa-russia-sergey-dyomin-art-monkeys-orthodox-church
 
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2621 on: May 30, 2015, 02:11:12 AM »
I like those a good deal more than some of his other work (for example...)
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2622 on: May 30, 2015, 09:00:36 AM »
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« Reply #2623 on: May 30, 2015, 10:48:27 AM »
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2624 on: June 26, 2015, 01:35:53 PM »
Not sure if it was posted before.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2625 on: June 27, 2015, 04:32:33 AM »
Not sure if it was posted before.


Similar ones have been posted already, like this one on page 2:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,47878.msg834206.html#msg834206

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« Reply #2626 on: July 30, 2015, 08:55:56 PM »
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« Reply #2627 on: July 30, 2015, 10:44:19 PM »


From this website.

Whoever concocted this pastiche together can't spell. In either language.  :P
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2628 on: July 31, 2015, 01:14:06 AM »
Sanderson Jones, co-founder of the Sunday Assembly (the "church for atheists"):

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2629 on: August 05, 2015, 06:44:30 PM »
I love Copts but in my opinion it's an exaggeration



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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2630 on: August 05, 2015, 10:37:29 PM »
I love Copts but in my opinion it's an exaggeration



(the quote is from Jeremiah 3:15)

I agree!  There are many of these exaggerations around unfortunately  :-\
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2631 on: August 06, 2015, 02:49:53 PM »
Is Pope Tawadros' beard really that long?  Somehow it always seemed a little shorter to me.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2632 on: August 06, 2015, 03:05:44 PM »
I love Copts but in my opinion it's an exaggeration



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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2633 on: August 08, 2015, 12:11:17 AM »
Is Pope Tawadros' beard really that long?  Somehow it always seemed a little shorter to me.

Here he is on July 8, the latest I can find of HH:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k2RH4XWJl0
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2634 on: August 08, 2015, 02:26:46 PM »
IMO HH should suppress such icons depicting him for the duration of his lifetime, while expressing gratitude for the intent.  Because theologocally, thats kind of bunk, even though we do kiss the hands of the clergy.

Actually a rather good rule lf thumb I think the Coptic church ought to apply in this case and in the case of liturgics in general is, would the Syriacs, the Armenians, the Ethiopians, or the Eastern Orthodox do this?   If any of the above would not do it, then it should be viewed with caution, and if none of them would do it, it should be avoided altogether.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2635 on: August 08, 2015, 04:48:41 PM »
You tell him, wgw!
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« Reply #2636 on: August 08, 2015, 11:18:48 PM »
IMO HH should suppress such icons depicting him for the duration of his lifetime, while expressing gratitude for the intent.  Because theologocally, thats kind of bunk, even though we do kiss the hands of the clergy.

Actually a rather good rule lf thumb I think the Coptic church ought to apply in this case and in the case of liturgics in general is, would the Syriacs, the Armenians, the Ethiopians, or the Eastern Orthodox do this?   If any of the above would not do it, then it should be viewed with caution, and if none of them would do it, it should be avoided altogether.

There is no way such an image would be considered suitable for veneration in the EO Church.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2637 on: August 14, 2015, 12:04:17 PM »
Went to the University of Toledo Art Festival, and managed to find some schlock.


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« Reply #2638 on: August 14, 2015, 12:22:24 PM »
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« Reply #2639 on: August 14, 2015, 12:28:09 PM »
Hi, Hayden. Welcome to the forum. :)

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« Reply #2640 on: August 15, 2015, 10:33:50 PM »


Must be titled, "Our Lady Queen of the Sirens"...

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« Reply #2641 on: August 15, 2015, 11:34:12 PM »
I was thinking more like Our Lady of Stars and Bucks

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2642 on: August 26, 2015, 07:48:25 PM »
Who drew (not wrote, because it is uncanonical)
The word for "write an icon" and "paint an icon" is the same in Greek.

"Writing" doesn't make it more holy and is a silly american thing.  :police:

As an EO I admit we helped it catch on.
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"We’ve all heard, and many of us have used, the currently popular phrase “icon writing.” Whoever invented this expression must have noticed that in the Greek word eikonographia and its Slavonic translation ikonopisanie the suffixes (graphí and pisánie) very often mean “writing.” Our inventor thereupon thought it a good idea to speak of “icon writing,” probably imagining that the sheer oddness of the phrase would attract more attention than the prosaic “icon painting”and also convey a greater sense of the sacredness of the act of producing an icon. Ever since, this tortured translation has stuck to the lips of just about every English-speaking Orthodox Christian who talks about icons.

However, the suffixes graphí and pisánie both mean depiction, as well as writing. The first–more to the point here than the Slavonic term, which was formed on the basis of the Greek–is related to the verb gráphein/grápho and means any representational delineation — such as when you write the letters of an alphabet, but also when you sketch, say, a portrait. The precise translation depends on the circumstances. For example, “geography” does not mean “earth writing,” but earth description, whether verbal or pictorial. “Scenography,” from the word skiní, meaning a shelter, by implication a tent, and by further implication one of canvas, means the painting or other illustration of a backdrop, on canvas or similar material, for a theatrical production (whence our words “scene”and “scenic”); it does not mean “scene writing.” Whether the delineation referred to is verbal or pictorial, graphí implies circumscription, as when the Church says that God the Father is aperigraptos. That does not mean, obviously, that God the Father is “unwritable.” It means He is uncircumscribable, unbounded, undepictable, incomprehensible, unsusceptible to containment within the boundaries that we must impose on anything before we can comprehend or speak of it.

The habit of describing icons as “written” should therefore be dropped. Not only does the expression do violence to English and sound just plain silly, but it can introduce notions without basis in the Greek texts — such as, that an icon is essentially a representation of words, as opposed to a representation of things that words represent.

The theologically important fact that icons, which are pictorial, and Scripture, which is verbal, are nearly equivalent can be conveyed in other ways than by torturing English. It’s worth noting that in the Acts of the Seventh Ecumenical Council, the Greek word used for an icon painter is simply zográphos (in Slavonic, zhivopísets), meaning simply a depicter of life, or of forms taken from life: that the subjects depicted were religious was more or less assumed. It seems that when secular artists eventually gained higher social status than before, and zográphos could apply to them as well as to the makers of sacred representations, the term was superseded in Greek by the more specific agiográphos, or eikonográphos (in Slavonic, ikonopísets).

An icon is painted, pure and simple, or produced by some other technique, if made of enamel or ivory or whatever else. But it is not written, and never in the Church’s history until our day, no matter what the language used, has the Church said or implied that an icon is written. Let’s hope it isn’t too late to expunge the expression.>>--"Dr. John Yiannias, Professor Emeritus of Art History at the University of Virginia. Dr. Yiannias holds a Ph.D. in Early Christian and Byzantine Art from the University of Pittsburgh

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« Reply #2643 on: August 26, 2015, 08:08:26 PM »
You just copied that straight off of Hyperdox Herman's facebook site.
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« Reply #2644 on: August 26, 2015, 10:25:00 PM »
You just copied that straight off of Hyperdox Herman's facebook site.


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« Reply #2645 on: August 26, 2015, 11:33:28 PM »
Yea or nay?



This was digitally animated, so I'm inclined to say the latter. As artwork per se, I find it to be quite nice if not a bit cartoonish.
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« Reply #2646 on: August 27, 2015, 07:55:33 AM »
Yea or nay?



This was digitally animated, so I'm inclined to say the latter. As artwork per se, I find it to be quite nice if not a bit cartoonish.

If it's treated only as art., I would say it's OK, it's a new way of presenting religious stuff, but rooted in the tradition. But you can't treat it as icon or something to venerate or to place in church, especially as it's a digital work.

You just copied that straight off of Hyperdox Herman's facebook site.


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« Reply #2647 on: August 27, 2015, 11:30:17 AM »
Yea or nay?



This was digitally animated, so I'm inclined to say the latter. As artwork per se, I find it to be quite nice if not a bit cartoonish.

Well, this gives the Conciliar Press iconography a run for its money... too bad Luke Dingman wasn't into Anime...
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« Reply #2648 on: August 27, 2015, 12:11:58 PM »
These are from the artist Mina Anton. Given the mix of religious and non-religious subjects on his page, I think he's just a graphic artist inspired by Coptic iconography, and doesn't intend any of his pieces to hang in a church.
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« Reply #2649 on: August 27, 2015, 12:30:37 PM »
You just copied that straight off of Hyperdox Herman's facebook site.

Nah, John Boyer FB post.

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« Reply #2651 on: August 27, 2015, 02:01:40 PM »
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2652 on: August 27, 2015, 03:10:08 PM »
Yea or nay?



This was digitally animated, so I'm inclined to say the latter. As artwork per se, I find it to be quite nice if not a bit cartoonish.

It's funny to see a blue-eyed Christ surrounded by dark-eyed Coptic bishops.  The old inferiority complex on full display, like in those cheesy "lives of the saints" movies where the angels always have blonde pornstar pompadour wigs and white woman foundation makeup on.  Freaky-deaky, baby bubba.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2653 on: August 27, 2015, 03:12:02 PM »
Man, now I want to go to heaven!!
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2654 on: August 27, 2015, 03:20:40 PM »
Man, now I want to go to heaven!!

You realize their Egyptian males, right?  They basically look like this, sans the lounge lizard suit:



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