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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2115 on: December 05, 2014, 04:08:18 PM »
Unfortunately Pennsylvania will never be like Holy Russia, for Pennsylvania lacks that "one thing needful" to be holy and wholly Orthodox:

There are only tears in holy Russia.

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« Reply #2116 on: December 05, 2014, 05:03:53 PM »
Unfortunately Pennsylvania will never be like Holy Russia, for Pennsylvania lacks that "one thing needful" to be holy and wholly Orthodox:

There are only tears in holy Russia.

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« Reply #2117 on: December 05, 2014, 05:07:31 PM »

Merely identifying them as Hellenes is not wrong.  Think of St. Peter the Aleut or St. Moses the Ethiopian.  Is that nationalist crap?
That's because their nationality is something distinctive about them, isn't it? I wouldn't think a Greek monastery would need to specify that these are a bunch of Greek guys.

Not Thucydides.

You haven't read Anna Comnena or any other Byzantine historians, have you?
Excerpts. I love Thucydides, but the person I was responding to said that it was about those who had contributed to Orthodox theology.
Crap like 'there is neither Jew nor Greek'?
That's closer to antinationalism.

Excerpts. I love Thucydides, but the person I was responding to said that it was about those who had contributed to Orthodox theology.

It's time to just come out and say that, if someone was seminal of Greek thought, he was important, by a remove or two, to the Church. Suck it up. ;)
I'm not against Greek thought. I just don't take everything Holy St. Plato the Apostle said as Gospel like you do. ;)

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« Reply #2118 on: December 06, 2014, 06:41:13 AM »
How mean am I allowed to be in this forum? Cause I have a blistering retort involving Volnutt and an armchair.
Hey! That stain on the chair was there before I even sat down! >:(
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2119 on: December 06, 2014, 01:54:50 PM »

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Re: St. Alexis, I have seen an icon that calls him "St. Alexis of Wilkes-Barre."

Which is how it should be. Personal surnames should not be used in iconographic inscriptions. They are of this world, not of the next.


Wilkes-Barre is of the world to come and not of this passing world?

Toth was his surname in the world. Wilkes-Barre is simply a geographic description, just as a bishop is known by the name of his see.  :police:

I understand, but I don't see how "Wilkes-Barre" is any less "of this world" than "Toth". 
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« Reply #2120 on: December 06, 2014, 02:10:49 PM »
How mean am I allowed to be in this forum? ...

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2121 on: December 06, 2014, 03:23:28 PM »

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Re: St. Alexis, I have seen an icon that calls him "St. Alexis of Wilkes-Barre."

Which is how it should be. Personal surnames should not be used in iconographic inscriptions. They are of this world, not of the next.


Wilkes-Barre is of the world to come and not of this passing world?

Toth was his surname in the world. Wilkes-Barre is simply a geographic description, just as a bishop is known by the name of his see.  :police:

I understand, but I don't see how "Wilkes-Barre" is any less "of this world" than "Toth". 

In the Old Testament at least, patronymics (e. g., X son of Y) are used quite often, far more so than geographical-based names (X of Z). Many modern surnames (e.g., those ending with "-son" or "-sen") were adapted from Viking names that originally followed a similar convention. In Iceland they still use that naming system.

To say that one naming convention is more "of this world" relative to another seems more like an attempt to theologize cultural differences than anything else. Some cultures traditionally identified people by who their fathers were, some used clan names (similarly to our modern surnames) and some identified them by where they were from.
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« Reply #2122 on: December 07, 2014, 12:40:58 AM »
And I don't think we want to say that family relationships will disappear after the resurrection (be transcended and transformed, yes). I'm sure at the very least we'll still recognize one another.
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« Reply #2123 on: December 07, 2014, 12:51:14 AM »
And I don't think we want to say that family relationships will disappear after the resurrection (be transcended and transformed, yes). I'm sure at the very least we'll still recognize one another.

Indeed, especially when you consider that family relationships are quite clearly made in the image of the Trinity.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2124 on: December 07, 2014, 02:02:37 AM »
Happy shall he be, that shall take and dash thy little ones against the rock. Alleluia.

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« Reply #2125 on: December 07, 2014, 02:04:32 AM »
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2126 on: December 07, 2014, 02:06:53 AM »
Aesthetically criminal



Even when he's doing something approaching Orthodox content, the fact that Robert Lentz simply draws ugly faces will always be his downfall (I do like the fact that St. Mary Magdalene actually looks like a first century Jew, though).



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« Reply #2127 on: December 07, 2014, 02:13:05 AM »
(I do like the fact that St. Mary Magdalene actually looks like a first century Jew, though).



Looks more like his take on the iconic National Geographic photo of the Afghan Girl.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2128 on: December 07, 2014, 02:25:23 AM »
You know that "shudder" noise Lisa Simpson always makes. Yeah, that's me looking at this...


Icon or not, I kind of like it.

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« Reply #2129 on: December 07, 2014, 02:30:22 AM »
(I do like the fact that St. Mary Magdalene actually looks like a first century Jew, though).



Looks more like his take on the iconic National Geographic photo of the Afghan Girl.

A tiny bit.

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« Reply #2130 on: December 07, 2014, 02:34:57 AM »
Poor Sharbat Gula. I'm so damn pampered compared to people like this that it's shameful  :'(

That's not a difficult situation to fix.
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« Reply #2131 on: December 07, 2014, 02:43:36 AM »
Poor Sharbat Gula. I'm so damn pampered compared to people like this that it's shameful  :'(

That's not a difficult situation to fix.
Not for me. But that would be a thread derail.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2132 on: December 07, 2014, 02:49:40 AM »
This one is so very out of this world:



This one, on the other hand, is very in this world:

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« Reply #2133 on: December 08, 2014, 05:15:58 PM »

It's a spiritual icon of Saint Josaphat embracing Christ.

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« Reply #2134 on: December 10, 2014, 07:01:26 AM »
From the US shrine to Catholic hyper-Marianist, Fr. Maximilian Kolbe

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« Reply #2135 on: December 10, 2014, 07:04:36 AM »


This one, on the other hand, is very in this world:


By the hand of that most holy iconographer, St. Joan Osborne https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gx1Pv02w3Q
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« Reply #2136 on: December 10, 2014, 07:16:32 AM »
From the US shrine to Catholic hyper-Marianist, Fr. Maximilian Kolbe



If Maximilian Kolbe is the father of the Mother of God, then John Donne can be the father of Christ. Behold, the poet shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Emmanuel.



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« Reply #2137 on: December 10, 2014, 07:36:27 AM »
Run! He's doing the forbidden move, The Kamehamejesus!
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« Reply #2138 on: December 10, 2014, 08:38:51 AM »
You know that "shudder" noise Lisa Simpson always makes. Yeah, that's me looking at this...




The people who get themselves all worked into a tizzy about artwork depicting Our Lord or the Theotokos as black should be equally incensed by this sort of equally ridiculous Swiss Miss depiction.  They won't though.  They'll be fine with it.  ;D
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« Reply #2139 on: December 10, 2014, 08:41:52 AM »
You know that "shudder" noise Lisa Simpson always makes. Yeah, that's me looking at this...




The people who get themselves all worked into a tizzy about artwork depicting Our Lord or the Theotokos as black should be equally incensed by this sort of equally ridiculous Swiss Miss depiction.  They won't though.  They'll be fine with it.  ;D

I'm not fine with it, I'll have you know.  :P ;)

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« Reply #2140 on: December 10, 2014, 08:57:57 AM »

The people who get themselves all worked into a tizzy about artwork depicting Our Lord or the Theotokos as black should be equally incensed by this sort of equally ridiculous Swiss Miss depiction.  They won't though.  They'll be fine with it.  ;D
Srsly!

There's actually a Catholic tradition, not official, that God made the Theotokos blonde as a reward for her obedience.
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« Reply #2141 on: December 10, 2014, 09:50:52 AM »
Srsly!

There's actually a Catholic tradition, not official, that God made the Theotokos blonde as a reward for her obedience.

I'm with the camp of 13 million Americans that believe politicians are, or are controlled by, Reptilians. I think only monks can solve this problem. It doesn't seem right that they prefer to ignore it.

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« Reply #2142 on: December 10, 2014, 09:57:48 AM »
Srsly!

There's actually a Catholic tradition, not official, that God made the Theotokos blonde as a reward for her obedience.


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« Reply #2143 on: December 10, 2014, 10:45:17 AM »
[The only icon I have seen of Saint Alexander Schmorell (the 20th century anti-fascist) depicts him in a medical jacket wearing a shirt with button sleeves and a collar under it.

Yep, a Wehrmacht collar.

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« Reply #2144 on: December 10, 2014, 11:01:22 AM »
Blessed are the blondes, for they shall inherit the Kingdom of God.

I'm with the camp of 13 million Americans that believe politicians are, or are controlled by, Reptilians. I think only monks can solve this problem. It doesn't seem right that they prefer to ignore it.

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« Reply #2145 on: December 10, 2014, 12:39:31 PM »

The people who get themselves all worked into a tizzy about artwork depicting Our Lord or the Theotokos as black should be equally incensed by this sort of equally ridiculous Swiss Miss depiction.  They won't though.  They'll be fine with it.  ;D
Srsly!

There's actually a Catholic tradition, not official, that God made the Theotokos blonde as a reward for her obedience.

I was Catholic for 37 years and I never heard that.
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« Reply #2146 on: December 10, 2014, 01:01:41 PM »
You know that "shudder" noise Lisa Simpson always makes. Yeah, that's me looking at this...


Icon or not, I kind of like it.

No, St. Joseph should only be looking at the Virgin and Child through a window, across the street, with a telescope.
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« Reply #2147 on: December 10, 2014, 01:08:49 PM »
You know that "shudder" noise Lisa Simpson always makes. Yeah, that's me looking at this...


Icon or not, I kind of like it.

No, St. Joseph should only be looking at the Virgin and Child through a window, across the street, with a telescope.

Read those haloes again....

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« Reply #2148 on: December 10, 2014, 01:16:46 PM »
Blessed are the blondes, for they shall inherit the Kingdom of God.



Ugh, Rachel, why?! 
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« Reply #2149 on: December 10, 2014, 01:24:12 PM »
You know that "shudder" noise Lisa Simpson always makes. Yeah, that's me looking at this...


Icon or not, I kind of like it.

No, St. Joseph should only be looking at the Virgin and Child through a window, across the street, with a telescope.

Read those haloes again....

I'll escort myself out.
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« Reply #2150 on: December 10, 2014, 01:29:47 PM »
You know that "shudder" noise Lisa Simpson always makes. Yeah, that's me looking at this...


Icon or not, I kind of like it.

No, St. Joseph should only be looking at the Virgin and Child through a window, across the street, with a telescope.

Read those haloes again....

I'll escort myself out.

LOL, you called Jesus a girl! 
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The erection of one’s rod counts as a form of glory (Theophylaktos of Ohrid, A Defense of Eunuchs, p. 329).

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2151 on: December 10, 2014, 02:03:36 PM »
You know that "shudder" noise Lisa Simpson always makes. Yeah, that's me looking at this...


Icon or not, I kind of like it.

No, St. Joseph should only be looking at the Virgin and Child through a window, across the street, with a telescope.

Read those haloes again....

I'll escort myself out.

LOL, you called Jesus a girl! 

Pray for me.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2152 on: December 10, 2014, 02:04:02 PM »

LOL, you called Jesus a girl! 
A common mistake when viewing Western art of Him.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2153 on: December 10, 2014, 02:12:36 PM »
Mor's said as much himself.  Where's that one thread where he says he hates feminine, Western looking Christs where if you cover the mouth (and beard) it looks like a drawing of St. Claire?
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2154 on: December 10, 2014, 02:14:08 PM »
You know that "shudder" noise Lisa Simpson always makes. Yeah, that's me looking at this...


Icon or not, I kind of like it.

No, St. Joseph should only be looking at the Virgin and Child through a window, across the street, with a telescope.

Read those haloes again....

I'll escort myself out.

LOL, you called Jesus a girl! 
Such is the heresy of the Genuine Kellenic Truest Orthodox Traditionalist Church of America.
God bless!

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2155 on: December 10, 2014, 02:19:05 PM »
Such is the heresy of the Genuine Kellenic Truest Orthodox Traditionalist Church of America.

I love their Liturgy.
Please don't project meta-debates onto me.

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2156 on: December 10, 2014, 02:21:51 PM »
Such is the heresy of the Genuine Kellenic Truest Orthodox Traditionalist Church of America.

I love their Liturgy.
Word has it that they use Rachel Weisz as the model for adult Jesus in their iconography.  Spread it.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2157 on: December 10, 2014, 05:48:42 PM »

Pop-up book Jesus!
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2158 on: December 10, 2014, 06:12:41 PM »
Such is the heresy of the Genuine Kellenic Truest Orthodox Traditionalist Church of America.

I love their Liturgy.

But the chant must be just 'this much' off pitch to truly catch the flavor of it... ;) ;)

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #2159 on: December 10, 2014, 07:00:27 PM »
Such is the heresy of the Genuine Kellenic Truest Orthodox Traditionalist Church of America.

I love their Liturgy.

But the chant must be just 'this much' off pitch to truly catch the flavor of it... ;) ;)

You sound like an Indian.  :)
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