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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1845 on: July 25, 2014, 04:47:46 PM »
Well, I've never seen Colossians 1 exegeted like that before.
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« Reply #1846 on: July 25, 2014, 04:55:54 PM »
Hey I see Mor!
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1847 on: July 26, 2014, 10:16:01 AM »
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1848 on: August 14, 2014, 08:58:30 PM »
No ma, I don't wanna!



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« Reply #1849 on: August 14, 2014, 09:00:48 PM »
oh wow.....no neck indeed....thats scary
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1850 on: August 14, 2014, 09:01:13 PM »
I would actually like that icon sans grouchy neck-less Christouli.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1851 on: August 14, 2014, 10:06:04 PM »
A neck suggests the post-lapsarian/sinful nature of humanity, where the neck only serves the purpose of bear the burden of a head full of sin. Depicting Christ without one is meet and right.

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« Reply #1852 on: August 14, 2014, 10:17:01 PM »
Mary looks like Jesus has been poking her face all day, instead of napping, and she is just TIRED of it.

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« Reply #1853 on: August 14, 2014, 10:21:48 PM »
Mary looks like Jesus has been poking her face all day, instead of napping, and she is just TIRED of it.



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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1854 on: August 14, 2014, 11:34:36 PM »
Mary looks like Jesus has been poking her face all day, instead of napping, and she is just TIRED of it.



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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1855 on: August 17, 2014, 07:51:44 PM »
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« Reply #1856 on: August 17, 2014, 07:53:46 PM »
Wow, the eyes... creepy.  :-[
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1857 on: August 17, 2014, 08:05:05 PM »
Depicting St Alexie with Rasputin wearing a halo is a little much.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1858 on: August 17, 2014, 08:23:04 PM »


The painter of this schlock also had the audacity to style Rasputin as Great-martyr Gregory in the inscription. Sadly, there are many "icons" of him around. Ugh.
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« Reply #1859 on: August 26, 2014, 12:25:57 PM »


The painter of this schlock also had the audacity to style Rasputin as Great-martyr Gregory in the inscription. Sadly, there are many "icons" of him around. Ugh.

Rasputin should be shown holding a scroll bearing his last words: "YOU BAD BOY"
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1860 on: August 26, 2014, 12:44:30 PM »


The painter of this schlock also had the audacity to style Rasputin as Great-martyr Gregory in the inscription. Sadly, there are many "icons" of him around. Ugh.

Rasputin should be shown holding a scroll bearing his last words: "YOU BAD BOY"

I wonder why the image is not displaying for me. Does anyone else not see this image?
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1861 on: August 26, 2014, 02:10:48 PM »
I wonder why the image is not displaying for me. Does anyone else not see this image?

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1862 on: August 26, 2014, 02:12:59 PM »
It was this disgusting thing--

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« Reply #1863 on: August 26, 2014, 02:46:04 PM »
On the one hand, I can see it now, but on the other, would it have perhaps been better for me had I done without?
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« Reply #1864 on: August 26, 2014, 06:29:27 PM »
On the one hand, I can see it now, but on the other, would it have perhaps been better for me had I done without?


you can't un-see that.....
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1865 on: August 26, 2014, 10:45:42 PM »
Rasputin is also depicted as a schema monk, whereas he had no monastic rank in real life. It was reputed that he was a man of low moral standards, but anyway, why do so many icons of him continue to be made?

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« Reply #1866 on: August 26, 2014, 10:50:41 PM »
Rasputin is also depicted as a schema monk, whereas he had no monastic rank in real life. It was reputed that he was a man of low moral standards, but anyway, why do so many icons of him continue to be made?

Because people are always searching for some zany mystical experience.  And he was the poster child for that nonsense.

That and allowing sex during fasts and with whoever you wanted as long as it also included him.
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1867 on: August 27, 2014, 01:20:08 AM »
Rasputin is also depicted as a schema monk, whereas he had no monastic rank in real life. It was reputed that he was a man of low moral standards, but anyway, why do so many icons of him continue to be made?

Like Denise said.

Also, there's a strange group called Tsarebozhniki who hold the late Tsar as practically the Messiah. Those connected to the imperial court, such as Rasputin, are saints, in their eyes. I've commented on some of their "icons" previously in this thread.

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1868 on: August 27, 2014, 03:52:42 PM »
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« Reply #1869 on: August 27, 2014, 03:59:49 PM »


Is that the St. Peter's Basilica in the Theotokos' left hand?

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« Reply #1870 on: August 27, 2014, 04:01:04 PM »


Is that the St. Peter's Basilica in the Theotokos' left hand?

Her right hand (left as you view it).  In her left hand (right as you view it) is Hagia Sophia. 
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« Reply #1871 on: August 27, 2014, 04:01:39 PM »
its the East vs West all star icon!
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« Reply #1872 on: August 28, 2014, 12:43:12 AM »


Mother of God, the Patriot (as the inscription says), who conceived and bore the land of Greece. Oy.
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« Reply #1873 on: August 28, 2014, 11:49:18 AM »


Mother of God, the Patriot (as the inscription says), who conceived and bore the land of Greece. Oy.
I am curious about this one LBK.

I liked my interpretation:
Greece is in between a Rock (St. Peter's) and a Hard Place (Ialmisry's interpretation of the Phanar)

But is appears that a Russian version of the icon made a tour in Greece recently with a lot of hoopla. So far, it seems to be associated with Ioannis Kapodistrias (potential sainthood).  Or with the notion of both Churches being save by Russia (or something like that).
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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1874 on: August 28, 2014, 01:11:37 PM »


Mother of God, the Patriot (as the inscription says), who conceived and bore the land of Greece. Oy.
I am curious about this one LBK.

I liked my interpretation:
Greece is in between a Rock (St. Peter's) and a Hard Place (Ialmisry's interpretation of the Phanar)

But is appears that a Russian version of the icon made a tour in Greece recently with a lot of hoopla. So far, it seems to be associated with Ioannis Kapodistrias (potential sainthood).  Or with the notion of both Churches being save by Russia (or something like that).

When was this icon written? And by whom?

Traditional Icons show the Theotokos holding the Christ-Child, but this icon seems to show a 'saint' instead.
Who is this saint?
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« Reply #1875 on: August 28, 2014, 06:28:51 PM »


Mother of God, the Patriot (as the inscription says), who conceived and bore the land of Greece. Oy.
I am curious about this one LBK.

I liked my interpretation:
Greece is in between a Rock (St. Peter's) and a Hard Place (Ialmisry's interpretation of the Phanar)

But is appears that a Russian version of the icon made a tour in Greece recently with a lot of hoopla. So far, it seems to be associated with Ioannis Kapodistrias (potential sainthood).  Or with the notion of both Churches being save by Russia (or something like that).

When was this icon written? And by whom?

Traditional Icons show the Theotokos holding the Christ-Child, but this icon seems to show a 'saint' instead.
Who is this saint?

Probably St Kosmas Aitolos, who traveled over northern Greece, teaching and preaching. Saint or otherwise, neither he, nor the map of Greece should be over the Virgin's body in place of Christ Emmanuel. Did she conceive and give birth to them?  :P
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« Reply #1878 on: August 31, 2014, 09:05:46 AM »
didnt see it - sorry  ;D
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« Reply #1879 on: August 31, 2014, 06:56:20 PM »
didnt see it - sorry  ;D

Quite understandable. This is one of the longer threads around here ...  ;D
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« Reply #1880 on: September 04, 2014, 11:20:33 AM »
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« Reply #1881 on: September 08, 2014, 01:16:53 AM »




It's hard to tell if this was painted by an RC/BC or "True Orthodox" hand. If the former, it's on a par with the syncretistic schlock seen at the New Skete monastery; if the latter, yet another polemical, ecclesiopolitical statement. At least neither figure sports a halo.

Where did you find this image, Gunnar? I'm interested.

I found it on an orthodox blog which had an article celebrating Patriarch Bartholomew inviting the Pope Francis to phanar and jerusalem. I cannot find who created it or where it is or anything more about it. I tried searching for it with google images but it just brought up more blogs and news articles which also just used the image


It's in the narthex of the church at the New Skete Monastery (OCA stavropegial).

That figures. It's a "lovely" match to the other non-Orthodox figures painted in the nave:



Dorothy Day and Mother Theresa are not Orthodox, and should not be painted within the nave of an Orthodox church.



Abp Michael Ramsey and Pope Paul VI are not Orthodox, and should not be painted within the nave of an Orthodox church.

Sorry, I was confused. The first image--don't know where it's from. But the depictions of those other dudes in New Skete are in the narthex, not the nave, and predate it's reception into the Orthodox Church, from the time they were still Eastern Rite Franciscans.
Here is the image in full length:


It's located in the monastery of the Petits frères de la Croix in France: http://www.lemontmartre.net/actu/sortie.htm
They have a "bi-ritual" chapel with an iconostasis: http://petitsfreresdelacroix.ca/description/


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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1882 on: September 08, 2014, 06:16:56 AM »
Why don't they paint that stuff over, now that they are Orthodox?

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« Reply #1883 on: September 08, 2014, 08:58:26 AM »
Why don't they paint that stuff over, now that they are Orthodox?

I saw nothing on that group's website that said they were Orthodox.
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« Reply #1884 on: September 08, 2014, 09:01:33 AM »
Why don't they paint that stuff over, now that they are Orthodox?

I saw nothing on that group's website that said they were Orthodox.

a few of those are in New Skete I believe
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« Reply #1885 on: September 08, 2014, 09:07:11 AM »
Why don't they paint that stuff over, now that they are Orthodox?

I saw nothing on that group's website that said they were Orthodox.

a few of those are in New Skete I believe

.... and the artwork in New Skete is an affront to iconography, with various non-Orthodox figures painted in the nave of one of their churches.  >:(
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« Reply #1886 on: September 08, 2014, 09:09:04 AM »
Why don't they paint that stuff over, now that they are Orthodox?

I saw nothing on that group's website that said they were Orthodox.

a few of those are in New Skete I believe

.... and the artwork in New Skete is an affront to iconography, with various non-Orthodox figures painted in the nave of one of their churches.  >:(

I agree  :)
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« Reply #1887 on: September 08, 2014, 12:17:29 PM »
Why don't they paint that stuff over, now that they are Orthodox?

I saw nothing on that group's website that said they were Orthodox.

a few of those are in New Skete I believe

.... and the artwork in New Skete is an affront to iconography, with various non-Orthodox figures painted in the nave of one of their churches.  >:(

I suspect you have seen worse.  l like it and their justification: 
http://newskete.blogspot.com/2014/08/sanctity-reflection-on-images-in-our.html.

Apparently the iconographer was from Holy Trinity Monastery in Jordanville. The person was not identified.

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1888 on: September 08, 2014, 01:10:20 PM »
Why don't they paint that stuff over, now that they are Orthodox?

I saw nothing on that group's website that said they were Orthodox.

a few of those are in New Skete I believe

.... and the artwork in New Skete is an affront to iconography, with various non-Orthodox figures painted in the nave of one of their churches.  >:(

I suspect you have seen worse.  l like it and their justification: 
http://newskete.blogspot.com/2014/08/sanctity-reflection-on-images-in-our.html.

Apparently the iconographer was from Holy Trinity Monastery in Jordanville. The person was not identified.

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Re: Schlock Icons
« Reply #1889 on: September 08, 2014, 01:51:01 PM »
Why don't they paint that stuff over, now that they are Orthodox?

I saw nothing on that group's website that said they were Orthodox.

a few of those are in New Skete I believe

.... and the artwork in New Skete is an affront to iconography, with various non-Orthodox figures painted in the nave of one of their churches.  >:(

I suspect you have seen worse.  l like it and their justification: 
http://newskete.blogspot.com/2014/08/sanctity-reflection-on-images-in-our.html.

Apparently the iconographer was from Holy Trinity Monastery in Jordanville. The person was not identified.

"Does anyone doubt that these saintly individuals stand side by side in heaven, where God sees no division between his children?" If this is to be the basis for discerning Saints, then whom wouldn't we put in an icon?

I would guess the wicked, overtly sinful, irreligious,  immoral, etc. You can subtract or add to this list if you like.
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