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« Reply #1530 on: March 21, 2014, 11:09:41 PM »


Well... since you asked: I'm having a hard time doing the mental contortions necessary to understand what that has to do with creationism.

But is the Creation Museum about creationism or Evangelical Protestantism?   Wink
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« Reply #1531 on: March 21, 2014, 11:31:00 PM »

That image goes quite well with my new sig!

Is that your own work?

LOL!

Largely borrowed from a friend mine, unfortunately.  Glad you enjoy though.  

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« Reply #1532 on: March 21, 2014, 11:44:28 PM »

But is the Creation Museum about creationism or Evangelical Protestantism?   Wink

It at least purports to be about creationism, but even still.
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« Reply #1533 on: March 21, 2014, 11:46:00 PM »

And you too, Mor.

Every time I read "Propagation of the Doctrine of the Assumption of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370" I can't control my laughter.  There are actually people who think that.  
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« Reply #1534 on: March 21, 2014, 11:53:10 PM »

I don't know...the eagle over her chest and the "United States of America" in her halo are a little too much, but otherwise I'm not sure I object to this image. 
Yes, a Chalcedonian double-headed eagle would be far superior.
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« Reply #1535 on: March 21, 2014, 11:58:20 PM »

I don't know...the eagle over her chest and the "United States of America" in her halo are a little too much, but otherwise I'm not sure I object to this image. 
Yes, a Chalcedonian double-headed eagle would be far superior.

As long as it's not Baby Jesus.
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« Reply #1536 on: March 22, 2014, 08:26:03 AM »

I don't know...the eagle over her chest and the "United States of America" in her halo are a little too much, but otherwise I'm not sure I object to this image. 
Yes, a Chalcedonian double-headed eagle would be far superior.

As long as it's not Baby Jesus.

Or Fetus Jesus holding an American flag.
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« Reply #1537 on: March 24, 2014, 12:13:33 AM »

I couldn't get it to save a picture separately, but i assure....its worth the clicky...


https://www.etsy.com/listing/125097992/nail-decals-easter-water-slide-nail-art?ref=sr_gallery_14&ga_search_query=orthodox&ga_ship_to=US&ga_page=41&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery
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« Reply #1538 on: March 24, 2014, 12:33:13 AM »

Somehow, I managed:



Gawd, how tacky!

The stickers might be a deterrent to picking one's nose, I suppose ....  Tongue
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« Reply #1539 on: March 24, 2014, 12:34:21 AM »

Somehow, I managed:



Gawd, how tacky!

The stickers might be a deterrent to picking one's nose, I suppose ....  Tongue

oooh....nail decals for young boys and girls!
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« Reply #1540 on: March 24, 2014, 12:38:16 AM »

Somehow, I managed:



Gawd, how tacky!

The stickers might be a deterrent to picking one's nose, I suppose ....  Tongue

oooh....nail decals for young boys and girls!

But the teenage "Death to the World" types might only want them in black-and-white.  Wink
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« Reply #1541 on: March 24, 2014, 12:39:57 AM »

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Gawd, how tacky!

The stickers might be a deterrent to picking one's nose, I suppose ....  Tongue

oooh....nail decals for young boys and girls!

But the teenage "Death to the World" types might only want them in black-and-white.  Wink

quite sure that is true....green is just so -cheery-
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« Reply #1542 on: March 24, 2014, 12:48:21 AM »

Not from LBK's favorite iconographer, but by the hand of an associate of Lentz:

Good King Wenceslaus and his fella friend:



Rublev taking a break from painting to bless:



Christ and Maria Magdala sharing/fighting over(?) a chalice:



Saint Michael fighting an awesome dragon-demon:



Saint Raphael playing with an airplane:

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« Reply #1543 on: March 24, 2014, 12:51:53 AM »


Saint Raphael playing with an airplane:



Angels need Nativity presents too!


why do they all have a growth right between their brows?  IS this some alien race? 
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« Reply #1544 on: March 24, 2014, 01:00:34 AM »

Not from LBK's favorite iconographer, but by the hand of an associate of Lentz:

Good King Wenceslaus and his fella friend:

Rublev taking a break from painting to bless:

Christ and Maria Magdala sharing/fighting over(?) a chalice:

Saint Michael fighting an awesome dragon-demon:

Saint Raphael playing with an airplane:


Oh, Trinity Stores is such an abundant treasury of schlock, there's enough there to fill a good-sized book with critiques.
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« Reply #1545 on: March 24, 2014, 01:12:16 AM »

I don't remember if this aberration has been posted here before:



Internet's taking me some weird places tonight.
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« Reply #1546 on: March 24, 2014, 01:14:40 AM »

I don't remember if this aberration has been posted here before:



Internet's taking me some weird places tonight.

If it's not on this thread, it's on another. Maybe the "Strange Icons" thread.
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« Reply #1547 on: March 24, 2014, 07:03:51 PM »

And what on earth is that supposed to be? Size isn't helping...
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« Reply #1548 on: March 24, 2014, 07:37:17 PM »

And what on earth is that supposed to be? Size isn't helping...

It's about abortion, IIRC.
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« Reply #1549 on: March 24, 2014, 07:52:49 PM »

And what on earth is that supposed to be? Size isn't helping...

It's about abortion, IIRC.

indeed...some of it is quite 'vividly' so.....and not in a good thought provoking way...in a uggg...why would they draw that? way
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« Reply #1550 on: March 24, 2014, 08:51:57 PM »

Wrong thread
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« Reply #1551 on: March 24, 2014, 09:20:20 PM »

And what on earth is that supposed to be? Size isn't helping...

Link to a larger sized file:

http://life.orthomed.ru/an/Raznoe/cz-cd/HTML/WWW/photos/256/121_256.bmp
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« Reply #1552 on: March 24, 2014, 09:49:33 PM »

I most liked the 'in advance of....' part...that and she made him look much more rotund...






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« Reply #1553 on: March 24, 2014, 10:10:01 PM »

Another 'anticipatory' one...


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« Reply #1554 on: March 24, 2014, 10:17:19 PM »

Another 'anticipatory' one...




Oh, good grief. What's with the smile? Why do so many non-Orthodox painters paint smiles on their "icons" of saints? Ridiculous. It looks like the late Pope is saying "I am about to be canonized early .... "  Tongue
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« Reply #1555 on: March 24, 2014, 10:19:45 PM »

Another 'anticipatory' one...




Oh, good grief. What's with the smile? Why do so many non-Orthodox painters paint smiles on their "icons" of saints? Ridiculous. It looks like the late Pope is saying "I am about to be canonized early .... "  Tongue

hehe...also clearly painted in a 'I just got a tan on vacation'   moment as well.....
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« Reply #1556 on: March 24, 2014, 10:24:56 PM »

St. Padre Pio by Fr. McNichols.



I don't begrudge the ECs having their own icons of RC saints, but the style of this one is just weird.

Another one by his hand, just garish...And with a pelican on the top?



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« Reply #1557 on: March 24, 2014, 10:28:47 PM »

Don't blame us.  These are Written by and for Roman Catholics.  Every Eastern Catholic iconographer I know sticks to the rules even when executing Roman Catholic saints.
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« Reply #1558 on: March 24, 2014, 10:29:56 PM »

Also Blesseds may have icons so I don't know what the anticipation stuff is about.
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« Reply #1559 on: March 24, 2014, 10:31:55 PM »

Don't blame us.  These are Written by and for Roman Catholics.  Every Eastern Catholic iconographer I know sticks to the rules even when executing Roman Catholic saints.
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« Reply #1560 on: March 24, 2014, 10:32:48 PM »

Also Blesseds may have icons so I don't know what the anticipation stuff is about.

I was quoting the painter......
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« Reply #1561 on: March 24, 2014, 10:33:14 PM »

St. Padre Pio by Fr. McNichols.



I don't begrudge the ECs having their own icons of RC saints, but the style of this one is just weird.


Personally, these two trump the Padre Pio painting for sheer silliness:

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« Reply #1562 on: March 24, 2014, 10:36:32 PM »

Don't blame us.  These are Written by and for Roman Catholics.  Every Eastern Catholic iconographer I know sticks to the rules even when executing Roman Catholic saints.

Sadly, my schlock file is testament to the fact that this is by no means the case. There are indeed some excellent and reverent RC iconographers whose work and approach is beyond reproach, even from the Orthodox POV, but there are also plenty who don't, even from the RC/EC standpoint.
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« Reply #1563 on: March 24, 2014, 10:40:14 PM »

Another one by his hand, just garish...And with a pelican on the top?




So the pelican is an icon of Christ, is it?  Angry

A sad and unjustified butchering of a Cimabue crucifix. The top panel should be either blank (as in Cimabue's original), or should feature the Mandylion (as is common in Orthodox crucifixes).

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« Reply #1564 on: March 24, 2014, 10:45:41 PM »

Don't blame us.  These are Written by and for Roman Catholics.  Every Eastern Catholic iconographer I know sticks to the rules even when executing Roman Catholic saints.

Sadly, my schlock file is testament to the fact that this is by no means the case. There are indeed some excellent and reverent RC iconographers whose work and approach is beyond reproach, even from the Orthodox POV, but there are also plenty who don't, even from the RC/EC standpoint.

 I'm saying don't lump the Johnny come lately RC do what you want iconographers with the EC ones who strive to uphold the integrity of the Tradition.
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« Reply #1565 on: March 24, 2014, 10:50:38 PM »

Don't blame us.  These are Written by and for Roman Catholics.  Every Eastern Catholic iconographer I know sticks to the rules even when executing Roman Catholic saints.

Sadly, my schlock file is testament to the fact that this is by no means the case. There are indeed some excellent and reverent RC iconographers whose work and approach is beyond reproach, even from the Orthodox POV, but there are also plenty who don't, even from the RC/EC standpoint.

 I'm saying don't lump the Johnny come lately RC do what you want iconographers with the EC ones who strive to uphold the integrity of the Tradition.

Yet, as the many pages of this thread attest to, schlock has been painted by all comers, including RCs, ECs (of which Robert Lentz is one), protestants, and Orthodox alike. I hold to no double standard.

Indeed, two of the worst Orthodox offenders are a serving priest, and a layman who runs a very popular "school of iconography". I have not shirked at all from criticizing their work on these pages.
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« Reply #1566 on: March 24, 2014, 10:51:52 PM »

Like the "Lamb triumphant" the "Pelican in its piety" is an ancient western symbol for Christ.  The pelican was believed (incorrectly) to feed its young with its own blood by pecking at its chest, hence the Eucharistic symbolism.  I agree it should not replace the Mandylion.
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« Reply #1567 on: March 24, 2014, 10:54:47 PM »

Don't blame us.  These are Written by and for Roman Catholics.  Every Eastern Catholic iconographer I know sticks to the rules even when executing Roman Catholic saints.

Sadly, my schlock file is testament to the fact that this is by no means the case. There are indeed some excellent and reverent RC iconographers whose work and approach is beyond reproach, even from the Orthodox POV, but there are also plenty who don't, even from the RC/EC standpoint.

 I'm saying don't lump the Johnny come lately RC do what you want iconographers with the EC ones who strive to uphold the integrity of the Tradition.

Yet, as the many pages of this thread attest to, schlock has been painted by all comers, including RCs, ECs (of which Robert Lentz is one), protestants, and Orthodox alike. I hold to no double standard.

Indeed, two of the worst Orthodox offenders are a serving priest, and a layman who runs a very popular "school of iconography". I have not shirked at all from criticizing their work on these pages.

Lentz is RC.  And I am not saying you won't find a bad EC one if you look long enough but in my experience the push has been to return to traditional iconography after years of Baroque style icons.
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« Reply #1568 on: March 24, 2014, 10:56:10 PM »

Shlock is Shlock.

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« Reply #1569 on: March 24, 2014, 10:58:53 PM »

Don't blame us.  These are Written by and for Roman Catholics.  Every Eastern Catholic iconographer I know sticks to the rules even when executing Roman Catholic saints.

Sadly, my schlock file is testament to the fact that this is by no means the case. There are indeed some excellent and reverent RC iconographers whose work and approach is beyond reproach, even from the Orthodox POV, but there are also plenty who don't, even from the RC/EC standpoint.

 I'm saying don't lump the Johnny come lately RC do what you want iconographers with the EC ones who strive to uphold the integrity of the Tradition.

Yet, as the many pages of this thread attest to, schlock has been painted by all comers, including RCs, ECs (of which Robert Lentz is one), protestants, and Orthodox alike. I hold to no double standard.

Indeed, two of the worst Orthodox offenders are a serving priest, and a layman who runs a very popular "school of iconography". I have not shirked at all from criticizing their work on these pages.

Lentz is RC.  And I am not saying you won't find a bad EC one if you look long enough but in my experience the push has been to return to traditional iconography after years of Baroque style icons.

According to his bio on the site which stocks his images, he is BC:

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Robert Lentz is a Franciscan friar whose innovative icons are known throughout the world. He is a member of Holy Name Province, and is stationed in Silver Spring, Maryland at Holy Name College. Besides painting many hours each day, he teaches apprentices, writes, and conducts workshops on art and spirituality throughout the United States. Brother Robert is active in promoting dialog between Muslims and Christians. He is also committed to the indigenization of Byzantine iconography in the various cultures embraced by the Church.

Brother Robert was born in rural Colorado in 1946. His grandparents emigrated from tsarist Russia in the early 1900's. He studied Byzantine iconography by apprenticing himself to a master painter from the school of Photios Kontoglou in a Greek Orthodox monastery founded from Mount Athos. He belongs to the Byzantine Rite, but has focused his life and his work on the radical changes facing all Christians in our day.

His icons reflect his experiences among the poor in this country and in the Third World, as well as his Franciscan and Russian roots. They are filled with bright colors and often depict contemporary subjects. While always striving to remain true to the essence of Byzantine iconography, he adapts traditional conventions in order to minister better to the emerging Church. His icons remain transcendent expressions of the ancient Christian Tradition, and they invite us into communion with God and the saints.
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« Reply #1570 on: March 24, 2014, 11:41:28 PM »

He must base that on having some Russian ancestry, because he has never been a member of a Byzantine Catholic parish, nor was he ordained by a Byzantine Catholic bishop, nor does he serve a Byzantine Catholic parish.
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« Reply #1571 on: March 26, 2014, 04:21:40 AM »


What in the world are the letters an abbreviation for? I only just realized they're not the standard "ho on" or any other alternative I've seen.
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« Reply #1572 on: March 26, 2014, 07:01:11 AM »


What in the world are the letters an abbreviation for? I only just realized they're not the standard "ho on" or any other alternative I've seen.

Most likely they're the acronym for O Yios [tou] Theou (The Son of God). What possessed this artist to change the standard inscription of the name of God is beyond me, but then, he's also been quite, erm, creative in showing this "christ" as the begetter of the Holy Spirit.
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« Reply #1573 on: March 26, 2014, 07:05:33 AM »

It gets worse: the same artist who painted the above has also produced this, which she calls The Madonna of the Media:

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« Reply #1574 on: March 26, 2014, 11:44:06 AM »

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