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Re: Faith NOT Based on Bible AT ALL
« Reply #45 on: August 24, 2015, 12:27:06 PM »
Well, Perennial, I'm sorry ROCOR wasn't the place for you.

There are lots of other Orthodox churches in the southern U.S., if you ever feel like giving it another try.

I second it this! you do know that Nestorianism was and is a heresey in the history of the church. Please consider looking into Goarch, The Jerusalem Patriarchate and The Antiochian patriarchate or even the OCA if need be. May I ask what did you not like about ROCOR? It not perfect but there is no perfection on earth.
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Re: Faith NOT Based on Bible AT ALL
« Reply #46 on: Today at 06:09:38 AM »
Well, Perennial, I'm sorry ROCOR wasn't the place for you.

There are lots of other Orthodox churches in the southern U.S., if you ever feel like giving it another try.

I second it this! you do know that Nestorianism was and is a heresey in the history of the church. Please consider looking into Goarch, The Jerusalem Patriarchate and The Antiochian patriarchate or even the OCA if need be. May I ask what did you not like about ROCOR? It not perfect but there is no perfection on earth.

I have a problem with the Orthodox Church's view of Jesus which denies that there is any human person or human entity in him.

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Re: Faith NOT Based on Bible AT ALL
« Reply #47 on: Today at 06:13:51 AM »
I have a problem with the Orthodox Church's view of Jesus which denies that there is any human person or human entity in him.

This is NOT what Orthodoxy teaches. Christ is God and Man. Have you forgotten this from the Creed?

who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the Virgin Mary, and became Man;
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Re: Faith NOT Based on Bible AT ALL
« Reply #48 on: Today at 08:56:16 AM »
Well, Perennial, I'm sorry ROCOR wasn't the place for you.

There are lots of other Orthodox churches in the southern U.S., if you ever feel like giving it another try.

I second it this! you do know that Nestorianism was and is a heresey in the history of the church. Please consider looking into Goarch, The Jerusalem Patriarchate and The Antiochian patriarchate or even the OCA if need be. May I ask what did you not like about ROCOR? It not perfect but there is no perfection on earth.

I have a problem with the Orthodox Church's view of Jesus which denies that there is any human person or human entity in him.

I believe you are confusing us with the Gnostics.  They are the ones who taught Jesus was entirely divine and without human nature.  All Orthodox agree that Jesus is perfectly human and perfectly divine at the same time.  For that matter, so do the Assyrians, and the Assyrians do not believe that Jesus consists of a separate human and divine person in a union of will; that was Theodore of Mopsuestia or Diodore of Tarsus, I cant recall, bordering on adoptionism, and also an implication of full blown Nestorianism, which the Assyrians do not practice, as refuted by St. Cyril, derived from referring to the Virgin Mary as Christotokos.

The Oriental Orthodox believe that Jesus has one incarnate nature of the Word, perfectly human and perfectly divine, without confusion, change or separation.  The Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholics and in theory most Protestants believe Jesus has a human and a divine nature in one hypostasis.  The Assyrians believe Jesus has a human qnuma and a divine qnuma in one prosopa, in somesuch - either way  it was close enough for them to reach an ecumenical agreement with the Vatican confessing a common Christology (which the Vatican also reached with the OO, ironic given Pope Leo's authorship of the Tome which essentially caused the Great Schism).
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Re: Faith NOT Based on Bible AT ALL
« Reply #49 on: Today at 01:48:46 PM »
I have a problem with the Orthodox Church's view of Jesus which denies that there is any human person or human entity in him.

This is NOT what Orthodoxy teaches. Christ is God and Man. Have you forgotten this from the Creed?

who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the Virgin Mary, and became Man;

Perennial1's comment was a little more specific than your response. 
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Re: Faith NOT Based on Bible AT ALL
« Reply #50 on: Today at 06:08:00 PM »
I have a problem with the Orthodox Church's view of Jesus which denies that there is any human person or human entity in him.

This is NOT what Orthodoxy teaches. Christ is God and Man. Have you forgotten this from the Creed?

who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the Virgin Mary, and became Man;
Christ is a single Divine person who is perfect God and perfect man, yes. But He does not have a distinct human entity or person united to Him, that would be Nestorianism.
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Re: Faith NOT Based on Bible AT ALL
« Reply #51 on: Today at 06:19:01 PM »
Perennial, if you don't mind, were you actually in the church before - were you baptized and did you leave, or have you never been a regular member of a church before? Did you attend because you had a beginning interest, or were you brought up in church?

I ask because you seem to be claiming the Orthodox teach some things they never really did in the first place. It would be a shame if you left the church over some straw man argument you heard from somebody else.


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Re: Faith NOT Based on Bible AT ALL
« Reply #52 on: Today at 06:22:05 PM »
I have a problem with the Orthodox Church's view of Jesus which denies that there is any human person or human entity in him.

This is NOT what Orthodoxy teaches. Christ is God and Man. Have you forgotten this from the Creed?

who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the Virgin Mary, and became Man;
Christ is a single Divine person who is perfect God and perfect man, yes. But He does not have a distinct human entity or person united to Him, that would be Nestorianism.
Wouldn't that be adoptionism?
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