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All religion paths on Earth lead to the Supreme Consciousness?
« on: February 12, 2017, 11:28:51 PM »
What do you think?

Do all religion paths on Earth lead to the Supreme Consciousness? .... Thanks

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Re: All religion paths on Earth lead to the Supreme Consciousness?
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2017, 02:20:06 AM »
Nope.
"Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." (St. Manuel II Palaiologos)

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Re: All religion paths on Earth lead to the Supreme Consciousness?
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2017, 03:15:30 PM »
Well...that settles that, then, doesn't it? :)
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Re: All religion paths on Earth lead to the Supreme Consciousness?
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2017, 03:42:45 PM »
Indeed...I also vote nope.
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Re: All religion paths on Earth lead to the Supreme Consciousness?
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2017, 03:51:36 PM »
It is my firm belief that if one persues religious truth, without any having any other ulterior motive, consciously or unconsciously, they will invariably become a Christian, regardless of whatever other religious traditions they pass through to get there.
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Re: All religion paths on Earth lead to the Supreme Consciousness?
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2017, 03:56:08 PM »
Generic Universalist Christian?

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Re: All religion paths on Earth lead to the Supreme Consciousness?
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2017, 04:07:23 PM »
The OP makes this all sound so hippie. There are things in this trajectory that are extremely well thought out and worth consideration: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perennial_philosophy

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Re: All religion paths on Earth lead to the Supreme Consciousness?
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2017, 05:47:12 PM »
This reminds me of the Teilhard singularity:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_Point

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Re: All religion paths on Earth lead to the Supreme Consciousness?
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2017, 05:59:24 PM »
Generic Universalist Christian?

No, people can still be damned if they don't pursue truth for nothing but the truth. But if one pursues truth, they will always find Christ.
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Re: All religion paths on Earth lead to the Supreme Consciousness?
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2017, 06:02:57 PM »
What do you think?

Do all religion paths on Earth lead to the Supreme Consciousness? .... Thanks

There are some paths that valorize greed, hatred, and delusion. They do not lead to the Supreme Consciousness.
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Re: All religion paths on Earth lead to the Supreme Consciousness?
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2017, 06:14:22 PM »
This reminds me of the Teilhard singularity:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_Point
I don't think that's the same thing.  There's a difference between pluralism and apocatastasis, which I think Teilhard is alluding to the latter, but in evolutionary terminology.  In other words, all humanity will "evolve" to be more like Christ's glorious humanity.
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Re: All religion paths on Earth lead to the Supreme Consciousness?
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2017, 06:58:46 PM »
The OP makes this all sound so hippie. There are things in this trajectory that are extremely well thought out and worth consideration: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perennial_philosophy

Worth consideration for what purpose and by whom?
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Re: All religion paths on Earth lead to the Supreme Consciousness?
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2017, 07:43:06 PM »
 I knew someone would raise a problem with perennialism.
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Re: All religion paths on Earth lead to the Supreme Consciousness?
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2017, 07:45:49 PM »
All religions are true to some degree. Only orthodox christianity is entirely true.
This is exactly what I was going to write in other words: "All religions point to the 'Supreme Consciousness' somehow, but only one was laid by the 'Supreme Consciousness' himself."
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Re: All religion paths on Earth lead to the Supreme Consciousness?
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2017, 08:41:29 PM »
All religions are true to some degree. Only orthodox christianity is entirely true.
This is exactly what I was going to write in other words: "All religions point to the 'Supreme Consciousness' somehow, but only one was laid by the 'Supreme Consciousness' himself."

I don't agree. Islam is not true whatsoever.
"Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." (St. Manuel II Palaiologos)

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Re: All religion paths on Earth lead to the Supreme Consciousness?
« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2017, 08:52:43 PM »
All religions are true to some degree. Only orthodox christianity is entirely true.
This is exactly what I was going to write in other words: "All religions point to the 'Supreme Consciousness' somehow, but only one was laid by the 'Supreme Consciousness' himself."

I don't agree. Islam is not true whatsoever.

So there isn't only one God?
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Re: All religion paths on Earth lead to the Supreme Consciousness?
« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2017, 09:00:34 PM »
All religions are true to some degree. Only orthodox christianity is entirely true.
This is exactly what I was going to write in other words: "All religions point to the 'Supreme Consciousness' somehow, but only one was laid by the 'Supreme Consciousness' himself."

I don't agree. Islam is not true whatsoever.

No it is not, Muhammad was a mere man that gained a cult following, he was not the Messiah. I'm surpise the love affair,  that some have with Islam, or Wicca, paganism, Hinduism, or Buddhism or Papism around here. Rotten fruit of the pan Heresy of Ecumenism.
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Re: All religion paths on Earth lead to the Supreme Consciousness?
« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2017, 09:02:46 PM »
All religions are true to some degree. Only orthodox christianity is entirely true.
This is exactly what I was going to write in other words: "All religions point to the 'Supreme Consciousness' somehow, but only one was laid by the 'Supreme Consciousness' himself."

I don't agree. Islam is not true whatsoever.

So there isn't only one God?

There is one God, but Muhammad isn't worshiped alongside him, neither is Ali, Fatimah, or Hussain. Islam is right when they call Jesus the Word of God, and consider him and His Mother as sinless. Apart from that, it's just a very bad plagiarism. Very bad.
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"Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." (St. Manuel II Palaiologos)

"Now one cannot be a half-hearted Christian, but only entirely or not at all." (Fr. Seraphim Rose)

If you don't see a Nestorian behind every corner and every rock, you're probably a Nestorian too.

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Re: All religion paths on Earth lead to the Supreme Consciousness?
« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2017, 09:07:31 PM »
All religions are true to some degree. Only orthodox christianity is entirely true.
This is exactly what I was going to write in other words: "All religions point to the 'Supreme Consciousness' somehow, but only one was laid by the 'Supreme Consciousness' himself."

I don't agree. Islam is not true whatsoever.
There's only one God, who spoke to the faithful patriarchs and prophets of Israel, shuns idolatry and asks from his followers true faith, devoted prayer, fasting and charity. I'm not saying we should see Muslims as co-believers, but it's clear there are true things in Islam, dangerously mixed with damning lies.
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Re: All religion paths on Earth lead to the Supreme Consciousness?
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2017, 09:24:39 PM »
All religions are true to some degree. Only orthodox christianity is entirely true.
This is exactly what I was going to write in other words: "All religions point to the 'Supreme Consciousness' somehow, but only one was laid by the 'Supreme Consciousness' himself."

I don't agree. Islam is not true whatsoever.
There's only one God, who spoke to the faithful patriarchs and prophets of Israel, shuns idolatry and asks from his followers true faith, devoted prayer, fasting and charity. I'm not saying we should see Muslims as co-believers, but it's clear there are true things in Islam, dangerously mixed with damning lies.

That's also a perfect description of Pentecostalism.  If Islam is "not true whatsoever", neither is Voodoo mixed with Christianity.
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Re: All religion paths on Earth lead to the Supreme Consciousness?
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2017, 09:26:25 PM »
That's also a perfect description of Pentecostalism.  If Islam is "not true whatsoever", neither is Voodoo mixed with Christianity.
Yes.
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Re: All religion paths on Earth lead to the Supreme Consciousness?
« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2017, 09:36:59 PM »
All religions are true to some degree. Only orthodox christianity is entirely true.
This is exactly what I was going to write in other words: "All religions point to the 'Supreme Consciousness' somehow, but only one was laid by the 'Supreme Consciousness' himself."

I don't agree. Islam is not true whatsoever.

So there isn't only one God?

There is one God, but Muhammad isn't worshiped alongside him, neither is Ali, Fatimah, or Hussain. Islam is right when they call Jesus the Word of God, and consider him and His Mother as sinless. Apart from that, it's just a very bad plagiarism. Very bad.

So then there is some truth in Islam. Let's not throw out statements that sound nice in our heads but end up being illogical once thought through.
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Re: All religion paths on Earth lead to the Supreme Consciousness?
« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2017, 09:37:22 PM »
All religions are true to some degree. Only orthodox christianity is entirely true.
This is exactly what I was going to write in other words: "All religions point to the 'Supreme Consciousness' somehow, but only one was laid by the 'Supreme Consciousness' himself."

I don't agree. Islam is not true whatsoever.
There's only one God, who spoke to the faithful patriarchs and prophets of Israel, shuns idolatry and asks from his followers true faith, devoted prayer, fasting and charity. I'm not saying we should see Muslims as co-believers, but it's clear there are true things in Islam, dangerously mixed with damning lies.

That's also a perfect description of Pentecostalism.  If Islam is "not true whatsoever", neither is Voodoo mixed with Christianity.

I suppose any number of heretical Christian doctrines could be true then.
"Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." (St. Manuel II Palaiologos)

"Now one cannot be a half-hearted Christian, but only entirely or not at all." (Fr. Seraphim Rose)

If you don't see a Nestorian behind every corner and every rock, you're probably a Nestorian too.

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Re: All religion paths on Earth lead to the Supreme Consciousness?
« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2017, 09:49:15 PM »
All religions are true to some degree. Only orthodox christianity is entirely true.
This is exactly what I was going to write in other words: "All religions point to the 'Supreme Consciousness' somehow, but only one was laid by the 'Supreme Consciousness' himself."

I don't agree. Islam is not true whatsoever.
There's only one God, who spoke to the faithful patriarchs and prophets of Israel, shuns idolatry and asks from his followers true faith, devoted prayer, fasting and charity. I'm not saying we should see Muslims as co-believers, but it's clear there are true things in Islam, dangerously mixed with damning lies.

That's also a perfect description of Pentecostalism.  If Islam is "not true whatsoever", neither is Voodoo mixed with Christianity.

I suppose any number of heretical Christian doctrines could be true then.

Not be true.  Contain some element of truth.  And not heretical doctrines, but heretical traditions.  Heretical doctrines are of course wrong.  Heretical traditions are wrong because they hold to heretical doctrines, but might also hold to some beliefs that are true.  See HaydenTE's most recent post.
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Re: All religion paths on Earth lead to the Supreme Consciousness?
« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2017, 10:21:02 PM »
I knew someone would raise a problem with perennialism.

It's an Orthodox Christian forum, after all.

Perennialism, with its history and interesting points, doesn't align that well with orthodoxy of any sort.
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Re: All religion paths on Earth lead to the Supreme Consciousness?
« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2017, 10:27:22 PM »
This reminds me of the Teilhard singularity:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_Point
On a side note, interesting how Tipler's idea gets on well with the doctrine of man as Mikrotheos and Mikrokosmos:

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Frank Tipler generalizes Teilhard's term Omega Point to describe what he maintains is the ultimate fate of the universe required by the laws of physics: roughly, Tipler argues that quantum mechanics is inconsistent unless the future of every point in spacetime contains an intelligent observer to collapse the wavefunction, and that the only way for this to happen is if the Universe is closed (that is, it will collapse to a single point) and yet contains observers with a "God-like" ability to perform an unbounded series of observations in finite time.
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Re: All religion paths on Earth lead to the Supreme Consciousness?
« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2017, 12:19:09 AM »
This reminds me of the Teilhard singularity:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_Point
That sounds more like one possible way the last Antichrist will be able to appear to be Christ than the actual Second Coming.
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May the Lord help me to become even a little bit like that guy.